Trading seems a massive waste of time...

[Zorlond]

I won't argue that someone who's got some ultra-rare Prime part that the entire community is hunting for like a pack of rabid dogs shouldn't enjoy the trade offers that come their way. And I acknowledge that what I have on offer is likely to be dirt-common junk... But...

I haven't seen a trading system this wasteful since the first Everquest (wow, 15 years ago...). Worse, I can't get up and leave my computer because manual interaction is mandatory. At least in Everquest you could type your prices in when you set up shop and buyers could just come and swap without waiting for the seller to do something. Why would the devs set up a system that is even more wasteful of a player's time than a game that's long since defunct?

[Sterling]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Falcon:

DON'T PUT ONLINE AND BE OFFLINE OR AFK its annoying.

It's more of a website issue, than an user issue. I have to manually change to "online in game" everytime I launch the game, just so I can have a chance of people asking to buy my item. I never actually tried, but given the seemingly bad manual nature of the website, I'm willing to guess that, when I close my browser while leaving it as "online in game", I still get displayed as online in game. I honestly would think it'd be a great thing if the website dynamically changed between the three statuses according to what you're doing, just like how Steam automatically changes to "away" if your computer remains untouched for too long.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Just Life:

To this person, how is it a bad thing that the price will allow easier time for people to sell an item at the price which will allow them to buy an item at the Item Market? I know I wouldn't want to make less then what I am now just to work more inorder to buy a simple QOL item.
The price of the market allow anyone to buy what they need without the need to play as a Merchant.

The idea is that people don't have any issue with overinflated prices, because they profit from it. When prices get overdeflated because of increased supply and/or low demand, people suddendly have a massive problem because they can't rip other people off. I understand people wanting to make money, but the whole idea of "too much is good, but too little is not" just ends up coming across as the purest hypocrisy.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Just Life:

As for preventing bots, it will take way over 10 seconds to think of a way to stop bots and not hinder players enjoyment. Bots aren't simple AI(they are but there is more to it), there is a person behind that ♥♥♥ that will adapt to what ever measure a dev would put in to stop the ♥♥♥.

Everyone always says taking care of bots is easy, no it is a nightmare for any devs since the person behind the ♥♥♥ could just change things up to avoid what ever the dev put in place and what the dev put in could just hurts the playerbase in the long run.

Minimum mastery rank to use auction house. There, the problem has now been solved until botters develop an AI that dynamically plays until they reach X MR, which would include programming against DE's beyond awful and always broken waypointing.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Just Life:

Quick guide and tip on how to Trade/Barter in Warframe.

You're telling that to someone who spent ages trying to sell a Frost Prime set because the trade chat was flooded with people spamming emojis and cringeworthy self-advertising. It also inlcudes the market website, because even there things were just ♥♥♥♥. People didn't want to just feel like they got underpaid for something they held on to for so long, which I ended up having to do, because I needed to buy slots and wanted a bunch of glass with water inside it in the bedroom that I'll never use.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Just Life:

Bonus round:
After you sell or buy an item. Take a moment to talk to the person.

If all works out well, you just made a new friend!

I honestly don't care about going out of my way just to try to make a friendship with a person I met a minute ago and don't know anything about, besides that they had the money for something I was selling. I am not that one rude or antisocial edgelord, but I also couldn't care less about getting all buddy-buddy with a complete stranger just like that. If there's chemistry, I'll know, but there rarely is, and both of us would rather just do the trade and leave.

[Just Life]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Sterling:

Minimum mastery rank to use auction house. There, the problem has now been solved until botters develop an AI that dynamically plays until they reach X MR, which would include programming against DE's beyond awful and always broken waypointing.

What will the MR limit be? Too low and it does nothing, too high and you effect new players that might want to buy staple mods early on. Also if a person really wanted to, what is stopping them to taxi a ♥♥♥ account to Hydron or any other leveling maps and use a nuke frame? A power/range Gara can clear the map and doesn't require a advance script to do the combo. If it is Hydron, it is a small defense map. Don't really need to move around, just stand around the defense point and let the nuke frame do it job.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Sterling:

You're telling that to someone who spent ages trying to sell a Frost Prime set because the trade chat was flooded with people spamming emojis and cringeworthy self-advertising. It also inlcudes the market website, because even there things were just♥♥♥♥♥♥ People didn't want to just feel like they got underpaid for something they held on to for so long, which I ended up having to do, because I needed to buy slots and wanted a bunch of glass with water inside it in the bedroom that I'll never use.

I can see why you had a hard time selling Frost Prime. Frost Prime was given out as part of a Twitch Prime promotion and unvaulted within a few months afterwards. The time to effortlessly unload Frost Prime has passed. Anyone that wanted him would have him by now. Only new players or returning players that missed out on those two event are your niche and maybe traders that want to invest in it to be sold at a later date for a higher price.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Sterling:

I honestly don't care about going out of my way just to try to make a friendship with a person I met a minute ago and don't know anything about, besides that they had the money for something I was selling. I am not that one rude or antisocial edgelord, but I also couldn't care less about getting all buddy-buddy with a complete stranger just like that. If there's chemistry, I'll know, but there rarely is, and both of us would rather just do the trade and leave.

I'm not going to say anything. I have no right to qustion or try to change your way of doing things. You do you^^.

[jonnin]

Im with the OP. Trading is probably the one thing in the game that is flat out terrible. Its even worse than the FF mmo where you parked your toon outside of towns beside 10000000 other guys with a set price and people could buy it or not.

[JOESEPH MY BELOVED]

Trading is amazing, the third party sites create infinite potential, I sold a mod I maxed myself for 50p and then kept trading up by buying things at lower market average price and selling them higher, now without spending any money 600 hours in, I have a riven collection I could easily sell for 30k plat ( god tier rivens for the most popular weapons ), I have every mod maxed ( excluding primed log in rewards ). I have all the most useful primed frames completely modded ( did not farm any of them bought all sets ). Also have 10k plat just sitting in my currency.

The trading and player created systems for it let anyone who has a little bit of time and the knowledge to do so, make huge plat.

[Water]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zorlond:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wintermute:

https://warframe.market/

Yeah, but that just wastes the buyer's time instead. They have to wait for the seller to be online to send an offer, or send mail and just randomly hope the person is still playing and notices.

LOL ITS really not that hard, if the buyer sees a price they want they would rather wait then find another and its not like there is only 1 pc of that item

[Enoch]

As a relatively new player who has made over 1K plat off trading, I vehemently disagree.

[krawtch]

I have lots of primes, cosmetic attachments and weapon/warframe slots and haven't spent a penny on this game.

OP is wrong

[Handoiron]

I'm really loving how the people who want to play merchant instead of playing the game are arguing so hard against removing the added price on items simply because you have to spend time sellign them.

There is no way to argue that faster trading would somehow make items easier to attain to be able to sell them. As it is, prices are higher than the actual worth of items simply because the market is so slow. The actual worth of an item is completely determined by how difficult or time consuming it is to attain through gameplay. If something is easy to get, it should be cheap. If the price is too high for an easy to get item, the price should drop.

The arguement that the trade cap would somehow hurt buyers is pathetic. People buying and selling normally to open slots are not going to be hitting their trade cap every day for multiple days. The increased trade speed and frequency for lower prices would only affect the people who play merchant and cap their trades daily. Not to mention that with a direct market system in place, it would most likely be limited to 1 item at a time which they would probably work a partial trade cap on. Something like a counter where you get up to 5 market transactions per "trade". So your first market transaction would eat 1 trade but then you'd have 4 more market transactions possible before it eats another trade.

Even at 1 plat per market transaction, no one would need more than a day's worth of trades to get enough to open a slot with the possible exception of riven slots because they're a batch of 3 for 60p. But someone to the point of opening riven slots probably wouldn't be trying to scratch together enough plat to open them in 1 day.

I myself have opened tons of slots, and I've spent very little time playing merchant. My average is about 5-10 mins a month just to blast WTS in trade chat a few times and wait 1 or 2 minutes before running a mission. I know that doing it that way will never get me enough plat to start trading for anything great, but I'd much rather play the game than spend time being a merchant. If there were a market system in game that didn't require you to spend so much time simply trading, I'd have alot more plat / slots opened now and alot less clutter in my inventory.

It's pretty simple, newer players looking to open up slots most likely aren't going to be able to just go out and farm up tons of things to spend hours trying to offload it in trade chat or using third party websites. They would, however, be able to look at an ingame marketplace and see people wanting to buy some stuf that they might already have in their inventory and get it done in under 5 minutes.

The only people that would really be "hurt" by an ingame market system are the people overpriceing items simply because they're willing to stop playing the actual game to play merchant instead. That would only be because prices would finally reflect the actual value of items instead of that value plus the time investment fee.