The "Eidolons" of Fortuna

[Das Big Hippo]

Any word on how the big enemies of Fortuna will be faught? Please tell me it's better designed than the god awful Eidolons. There was nothing fun about fighting them. It was a boring slog that pretty much required the used of like 3 different viable frames, and only Snipers. I even spent a lot of time building just for them and took them out pretty fast, but my god they were so boring. The worst part about this game by far, which sucks because they give some realy good gear.

[Pakaku]

Hopefully the fights won't be boring, but if they do drop high-end loot, they are still going to be at least somewhat tedious because of the likelyhood that they're designed around a squad.

[pavig]

Nothing yet. Will be coming as part of Fortuna part 2 due near the end of the year. DE has said that they are designing the fights so newer players will be able to at least contribute to taking them down, so that sounds like a less meta-dependent fight than eidolon to me.

[No_Quarter]

it is your problem you lack ability to use a lot of warframes that are capable to have heavy impact there there, Trinity, Harrow, Oberon, Rhino, Octavia, Chroma, Volt, Ivara, Equinox with buff, any warframe that can buff ability strength or damage, Limbo for cancer.... Not sure if Valkyr's buff applies to shooting melee's but that could be tested.....

so yeah, small rooster of warframes have direct impact there... and no other warframes can survive there..... only in tryhard elitist world.

but on topic, december update should bring Spider Fights, Steve said he wants something different so we will see.
Fortuna has shown that DE has learned a lot from PoE

but do nto expect hard battles, it is 2-nd planet to engage.
and even hardest battles can be cheesed with, as you sugegsted, 3 warframes that have good synergy to destroy stuff

[Das Big Hippo]

Originally posted by No_Quarter:

it is your problem you lack ability to use a lot of warframes that are capable to have heavy impact there there, Trinity, Harrow, Oberon, Rhino, Octavia, Chroma, Volt, Ivara, Equinox with buff, any warframe that can buff ability strength or damage, Limbo for cancer.... Not sure if Valkyr's buff applies to shooting melee's but that could be tested.....

so yeah, small rooster of warframes have direct impact there... and no other warframes can survive there..... only in tryhard elitist world.

but on topic, december update should bring Spider Fights, Steve said he wants something different so we will see.
Fortuna has shown that DE has learned a lot from PoE

but do nto expect hard battles, it is 2-nd planet to engage.
and even hardest battles can be cheesed with, as you sugegsted, 3 warframes that have good synergy to destroy stuff

Sorry, there's 9 viable frames, not 3. You know, out of the 35+ frames in the game. That's pretty garbage design. I own all of those frames. I can play all of them. Problem is, most of the viable Eidolon hunters I find boring as hell. So that right there kills it quite a bit for me. People may say certain frames are garbage, but outside of Eidolon hunts you can make garbage frames godlike. But when hunting one, or more, Eidolons, unless the frame has very specific skills, it cannot be useful. You can bringany of them to the fight, but most of the time you'd be dead weight.

Then there is the terrible choice of making a very small number of weapons viable. Pretty much only snipers are useful. Yay. All of these weapons, and a small fraction a in anyway usefull. Great way of making a "hard" end game boss.

All I am really saying is that I would like to be able to run in as a full tryhard and be great, or run in with like Mag and Zarr or Titania and Boltor (just throwing some random combos out) and still be useful.

[No_Quarter]

Originally posted by A Zinogre:

Originally posted by No_Quarter:

it is your problem you lack ability to use a lot of warframes that are capable to have heavy impact there there, Trinity, Harrow, Oberon, Rhino, Octavia, Chroma, Volt, Ivara, Equinox with buff, any warframe that can buff ability strength or damage, Limbo for cancer.... Not sure if Valkyr's buff applies to shooting melee's but that could be tested.....

so yeah, small rooster of warframes have direct impact there... and no other warframes can survive there..... only in tryhard elitist world.

but on topic, december update should bring Spider Fights, Steve said he wants something different so we will see.
Fortuna has shown that DE has learned a lot from PoE

but do nto expect hard battles, it is 2-nd planet to engage.
and even hardest battles can be cheesed with, as you sugegsted, 3 warframes that have good synergy to destroy stuff

Sorry, there's 9 viable frames, not 3. You know, out of the 35+ frames in the game. That's pretty garbage design. I own all of those frames. I can play all of them. Problem is, most of the viable Eidolon hunters I find boring as hell. So that right there kills it quite a bit for me. People may say certain frames are garbage, but outside of Eidolon hunts you can make garbage frames godlike. But when hunting one, or more, Eidolons, unless the frame has very specific skills, it cannot be useful. You can bringany of them to the fight, but most of the time you'd be dead weight.

Then there is the terrible choice of making a very small number of weapons viable. Pretty much only snipers are useful. Yay. All of these weapons, and a small fraction a in anyway usefull. Great way of making a "hard" end game boss.

All I am really saying is that I would like to be able to run in as a full tryhard and be great, or run in with like Mag and Zarr or Titania and Boltor (just throwing some random combos out) and still be useful.

count again, count all warframes that have ability to buff damage, you would be surprised how many of them can add a lot of it ;) not as much as Rhino but considerably lot

I do not say design is perfect, I just pointed out that your pov is not that perfect either.

and I 140% agree snipers need to go, I hate those things.
I use Euphona Prime for Eidolons, works quite well.

no matter what DE makes there will be meta pleb way to do it

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Public squads don't demand a certain frame setup for Eidolons because they're the only frames capable of doing the job (they aren't), they demand a certain frame setup because that's the most efficient way to do it. Such metas will ALWAYS exist in games like this, and that will never change unless every frame, weapon, and mod in the game is made completely identical to one another, or some scientist finds a way to alter human nature itself. Unless DE goes and makes the Orbs pathetically easy to kill, the playerbase will inevitably develop meta squad setups for fighting them as well. Personally, I enjoyed Eidolon hunts quite a bit; it's not often you find something in Warframe that actually takes some coordination and teamwork to kill. The problem you seem to be having, unfortunately, is one that's pretty much impossible to solve.

[Ravenous GreenStorm]

Would be cool if we could use that truck what is in fortuna to fight against the spider's. after all they did make cars to work there (or atleast somewhat).

[Vaan]

all i want is for them to not be an eye-searing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of lights

[¨°º✪GødzBlazƸ✪º°¨]

They said it wont be DPS race like eidolons.

[Handoiron]

Meta for tridolon is not at all based on viability. It's based entirely on squads demanding the absolute best frames to fit roles to beat it as fast as possible to get as many tridolon runs in as they can in 1 night phase.

That meta theory carried over into nearly every scrub that wants to pug 1 tridolon per night too because (insert youtube guy here) said (insert meta squad here) is the best!

[Warthain]

What i can tell you after messing around with the Ice spider boss is that it has massive ammounts of omni directional damage and special abilities, they seem a far more deadly foe than eidolons able to engage multiple foes at the same time from all directions.

Personaly i'm hoping they are some kind of endgame boss, that will require good team work to beat and i expect some worthwhile loot to come from them.

[primobrainlet]

Originally posted by No_Quarter:

Originally posted by A Zinogre:

Sorry, there's 9 viable frames, not 3. You know, out of the 35+ frames in the game. That's pretty garbage design. I own all of those frames. I can play all of them. Problem is, most of the viable Eidolon hunters I find boring as hell. So that right there kills it quite a bit for me. People may say certain frames are garbage, but outside of Eidolon hunts you can make garbage frames godlike. But when hunting one, or more, Eidolons, unless the frame has very specific skills, it cannot be useful. You can bringany of them to the fight, but most of the time you'd be dead weight.

Then there is the terrible choice of making a very small number of weapons viable. Pretty much only snipers are useful. Yay. All of these weapons, and a small fraction a in anyway usefull. Great way of making a "hard" end game boss.

All I am really saying is that I would like to be able to run in as a full tryhard and be great, or run in with like Mag and Zarr or Titania and Boltor (just throwing some random combos out) and still be useful.

count again, count all warframes that have ability to buff damage, you would be surprised how many of them can add a lot of it ;) not as much as Rhino but considerably lot

I do not say design is perfect, I just pointed out that your pov is not that perfect either.

and I 140% agree snipers need to go, I hate those things.
I use Euphona Prime for Eidolons, works quite well.

no matter what DE makes there will be meta pleb way to do it

octavia gives an even bigger buff than rhino (WAY more if you can get off the multishot buff), yet people still prefer chargy boi.

[Warthain]

Originally posted by A Zinogre:

Originally posted by No_Quarter:

it is your problem you lack ability to use a lot of warframes that are capable to have heavy impact there there, Trinity, Harrow, Oberon, Rhino, Octavia, Chroma, Volt, Ivara, Equinox with buff, any warframe that can buff ability strength or damage, Limbo for cancer.... Not sure if Valkyr's buff applies to shooting melee's but that could be tested.....

so yeah, small rooster of warframes have direct impact there... and no other warframes can survive there..... only in tryhard elitist world.

but on topic, december update should bring Spider Fights, Steve said he wants something different so we will see.
Fortuna has shown that DE has learned a lot from PoE

but do nto expect hard battles, it is 2-nd planet to engage.
and even hardest battles can be cheesed with, as you sugegsted, 3 warframes that have good synergy to destroy stuff

Sorry, there's 9 viable frames, not 3. You know, out of the 35+ frames in the game. That's pretty garbage design. I own all of those frames. I can play all of them. Problem is, most of the viable Eidolon hunters I find boring as hell. So that right there kills it quite a bit for me. People may say certain frames are garbage, but outside of Eidolon hunts you can make garbage frames godlike. But when hunting one, or more, Eidolons, unless the frame has very specific skills, it cannot be useful. You can bringany of them to the fight, but most of the time you'd be dead weight.

Then there is the terrible choice of making a very small number of weapons viable. Pretty much only snipers are useful. Yay. All of these weapons, and a small fraction a in anyway usefull. Great way of making a "hard" end game boss.

All I am really saying is that I would like to be able to run in as a full tryhard and be great, or run in with like Mag and Zarr or Titania and Boltor (just throwing some random combos out) and still be useful.

Any frame can be used to kill eidolon, is it efficient though? No, there will always be meta frames that are better at it than others, its a fact, its not bad design, like you can do 1 eidolon hunt a night with a random pug, or do 3 a night with a premade group stacking the best frames for the job... yes snipers are very much the favorite weapon for eidolons, but there re many other weapons that can be used for it with similar results, from Euphona prime like someone mentioned previously to Astilla, Arca, Opticor, Castana with ivara, and many others, everyone just goes with the most used pick and don't bother to try anything else, but yes some weapons are terrible for it, and should be like that, because the eidolon resistances dictate it so...

[No_Quarter]

Originally posted by Davy Jones:

octavia gives an even bigger buff than rhino (WAY more if you can get off the multishot buff), yet people still prefer chargy boi.

choice is obvious because of simplicity, Rhino has been a meta buffer for a lot time and will stay like that because you need to press 1 button and entire team does 150%+ more damage (multiplicative).

it is just better to have that buff in all of it's glory on demand, yes, Octavia can do more but because of how she works she is not as "responsive" as a buffer.
If Rhino was not sufficient and we could not take parts down in fraction of a second it would probably be arguable.

Originally posted by Warthain:

Any frame can be used to kill eidolon, is it efficient though? No, there will always be meta frames that are better at it than others, its a fact, its not bad design, like you can do 1 eidolon hunt a night with a random pug, or do 3 a night with a premade group stacking the best frames for the job... yes snipers are very much the favorite weapon for eidolons, but there re many other weapons that can be used for it with similar results, from Euphona prime like someone mentioned previously to Astilla, Arca, Opticor, Castana with ivara, and many others, everyone just goes with the most used pick and don't bother to try anything else, but yes some weapons are terrible for it, and should be like that, because the eidolon resistances dictate it so...

yes, that is why I described that there are more viable warframes, as OP has claimed only 3 are viable while more that 1/3 of are able to contribute there in a viable way and make it possible so you can capture at least 2 Tridolons per night. Basically anyone with any kind of damage buff is more than viable.

those without that or support abilities are in the dark for this, it is normal, like Harrow is utter ♥♥♥♥ for ESO because he takes time to give all the buffs and for that time your Focus timer is dead.

While meta suggests you just flat out have to be able to do 3 hunts per night because tryhard life, it is not the only way to do it, there is efficiency to it but not everyone cares for that term and some people just care to get stuff for them and not for the market. And doing 2 is just enough, it does not take long to get basic arcanes going.

[Ferchok]

I think that fortuna`s need more content....warframe need a new enemies, bosses, there is too much customable items but we always see the same map...fortuna is fine, i new map but we need more enemies, differents things.