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Joe Zombie Nov 24, 2018 @ 6:00am
Is this game still timegated?
Felt too much like a mobile game for my taste.
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Johnnyfive401 Nov 24, 2018 @ 11:16am 
9 days of crafting time in order to get the Battacor from the dojo, and then another day to craft it in the foundry. Yeah its fine and not at all getting worse.
Last edited by Johnnyfive401; Nov 24, 2018 @ 11:18am
Agenta Nov 24, 2018 @ 2:05pm 
Originally posted by Johnnyfive401:
9 days of crafting time in order to get the Battacor from the dojo, and then another day to craft it in the foundry. Yeah its fine and not at all getting worse.
Battacor is not even the worst example btw. That would be the Hema, or Equinox.

Equinox takes 7 days to craft, while you also need to farm the parts.

Also, Warframe is a grinding game by default. When there is nothing left to grind you are done with the game. Timegates are, in that case, a necessary requirement.
Whiplash Nov 24, 2018 @ 3:32pm 
Originally posted by Agenta1999:
Also, Warframe is a grinding game by default. When there is nothing left to grind you are done with the game. Timegates are, in that case, a necessary requirement.

That is not the reason. There are plenty of grindy games that don't have time gates and it doesn't diminish the game if you can grind through content faster. There are many examples from this very genre like Diablo, Borderlands and other action RPG's.

It's never hurt any of those games.

They exist to keep you coming back on a regular basis. To hook you into playing the game regularly, rather than in long spurts followed by long downtimes.

If you can make things instantly, there is no reason for you to have to log back in in 1-3 days to complete said project. And then they hope you will continue to play since you had to log in anyhow.

Same with daily activities.

Almost as if they don't trust the content alone to draw you back.

Not to delay your progress, but to incentivize you to keep coming back regularly. To manipulate you to play the game often and regularly.

And games with time gates + real money options to eliminate said delays are to try to force you to spend money to avoid having to wait. To prey on the impatience of people with money to blow.
Last edited by Whiplash; Nov 24, 2018 @ 3:42pm
Agenta Nov 24, 2018 @ 3:35pm 
Originally posted by Whiplash:
Originally posted by Agenta1999:
Also, Warframe is a grinding game by default. When there is nothing left to grind you are done with the game. Timegates are, in that case, a necessary requirement.

They exist to keep you coming back on a regular basis. To hook you into playing the game regularly, rather than in long spurts followed by long downtimes.

If you can make things instantly, there is no reason for you to log back in in 1-3 days to complete said project. And then hoping you will continue to play as long as you had to log in anyhow.

Almost as if they don't trust the content alone to draw you back. It's just a mechanic to keep you coming back regularly.

And games with time gates + real money options to eliminate said delays are to try to force you to spend money to avoid having to wait. To prey on the impatience of people with money to blow.
Well duh you have defined any F2P game with a focus on grinding ever.

WF is still more consumer-frienjdly then other games are.
Just Kidding Nov 24, 2018 @ 3:43pm 
Every free game and plenty of paid games use grind to incentivise spending money. Welcome to life, the dimension of nothing's truly free.
PocketYoda Nov 24, 2018 @ 4:04pm 
Yes everything is insanely time gated, new weapon, 24 hours, new frame 12hrs per piece then 72 to build... that is just painful and stupid... planet gating, areas gating, resources gating, money gating...

Literally everything in the game is time gated or pay money.. i totally see why player retention is low..
Originally posted by Whiplash :(:
Also, Warframe is a grinding game by default.

They exist to keep you coming back on a regular basis. To hook you into playing the game regularly, rather than in long spurts followed by long downtimes.
That only works with a smaller number of people, time gates make customers tired, they think why am i bothering and move on...

More so with modern populations, i'm ok with time gating but warframe takes it to extremes where its not fun..
Last edited by PocketYoda; Nov 24, 2018 @ 4:08pm
Agenta Nov 24, 2018 @ 5:43pm 
Originally posted by DanteYoda:
Yes everything is insanely time gated, new weapon, 24 hours, new frame 12hrs per piece then 72 to build... that is just painful and stupid... planet gating, areas gating, resources gating, money gating...

Literally everything in the game is time gated or pay money.. i totally see why player retention is low..
Originally posted by Whiplash :(:
Also, Warframe is a grinding game by default.

They exist to keep you coming back on a regular basis. To hook you into playing the game regularly, rather than in long spurts followed by long downtimes.
That only works with a smaller number of people, time gates make customers tired, they think why am i bothering and move on...

More so with modern populations, i'm ok with time gating but warframe takes it to extremes where its not fun..
Warframe you can also do other stuff while you are waiting. Focus farming, Syndicate Medallion farming, relic popping, etc... etc...

You are not COMPLETELY held back from doing something because that one Warframe has 2 days left to finsh crafting.

Edit: Also most weapons take 12 hours to craft. Not 24 hours to craft. We also aren't even talking about WF's TRUE insane time-gates (Hema, Vauban Prime, Ivara, Nitain Extract, etc...).

In other games that use time-gates a lot, you can't do ANYTHING else till something finishes. WF does not have that issue.

And a lot of the reason a lot of modern gamers, and modern individuals, do not care for time gating is because patience is at an all time low. People today are VERY impatient. They want stuff NOW, they don't want to wait. Game companies thus exploit that by adding time-gates and pay-walls.
Last edited by Agenta; Nov 24, 2018 @ 5:44pm
PocketYoda Nov 24, 2018 @ 6:05pm 
Originally posted by Agenta1999:
Originally posted by DanteYoda:
Yes everything is insanely time gated, new weapon, 24 hours, new frame 12hrs per piece then 72 to build... that is just painful and stupid... planet gating, areas gating, resources gating, money gating...

Literally everything in the game is time gated or pay money.. i totally see why player retention is low..

That only works with a smaller number of people, time gates make customers tired, they think why am i bothering and move on...

More so with modern populations, i'm ok with time gating but warframe takes it to extremes where its not fun..
Warframe you can also do other stuff while you are waiting. Focus farming, Syndicate Medallion farming, relic popping, etc... etc...

You are not COMPLETELY held back from doing something because that one Warframe has 2 days left to finsh crafting.

Edit: Also most weapons take 12 hours to craft. Not 24 hours to craft. We also aren't even talking about WF's TRUE insane time-gates (Hema, Vauban Prime, Ivara, Nitain Extract, etc...).

In other games that use time-gates a lot, you can't do ANYTHING else till something finishes. WF does not have that issue.

And a lot of the reason a lot of modern gamers, and modern individuals, do not care for time gating is because patience is at an all time low. People today are VERY impatient. They want stuff NOW, they don't want to wait. Game companies thus exploit that by adding time-gates and pay-walls.
Agreed but lately its been back firing on a lot of game companies.. e.g. EA Battlefront..
Agenta Nov 24, 2018 @ 6:13pm 
Originally posted by DanteYoda:
Originally posted by Agenta1999:
Warframe you can also do other stuff while you are waiting. Focus farming, Syndicate Medallion farming, relic popping, etc... etc...

You are not COMPLETELY held back from doing something because that one Warframe has 2 days left to finsh crafting.

Edit: Also most weapons take 12 hours to craft. Not 24 hours to craft. We also aren't even talking about WF's TRUE insane time-gates (Hema, Vauban Prime, Ivara, Nitain Extract, etc...).

In other games that use time-gates a lot, you can't do ANYTHING else till something finishes. WF does not have that issue.

And a lot of the reason a lot of modern gamers, and modern individuals, do not care for time gating is because patience is at an all time low. People today are VERY impatient. They want stuff NOW, they don't want to wait. Game companies thus exploit that by adding time-gates and pay-walls.
Agreed but lately its been back firing on a lot of game companies.. e.g. EA Battlefront..
EA has been getting backfire mostly due to lootboxes and gambling.

Warframe DOES have gambling (AKA Rivens) and it will eventually bite them in the butt. The EA-SW-BF2 example doesn't work for WF.

Yet. (And yes, I am making a stretch, but once the hype surround WF dies down, and eventually it will, people WILL be taking notice of the insane slot machine that is Riven mod rolling.)
Last edited by Agenta; Nov 24, 2018 @ 6:14pm
Probably Drunk Nov 24, 2018 @ 6:15pm 
Originally posted by DanteYoda:
Agreed but lately its been back firing on a lot of game companies.. e.g. EA Battlefront..
know what warframe allows and they dont? the ability to trade the premium currency.
Agenta Nov 24, 2018 @ 6:15pm 
Originally posted by God Tier Aim:
Originally posted by DanteYoda:
Agreed but lately its been back firing on a lot of game companies.. e.g. EA Battlefront..
know what warframe allows and they dont? the ability to trade the premium currency.
Now if only trade-chat wasn't a riven-infested cesspool...

(Edit: And yes, in case it's not obvious, I don't like rivens. At all. They are taking RNG to a WHOLE new extreme, and have caused trade-chat to essentially turn into riven-chat. I will be happy to see DE get the much-needed backlash when people like Jim Sterling, Sid-Alpha, or Yong-Yea figure out about Warframe's Riven Mods [all of them are {fairly} popular gaming youtubes that have been some significant voices against loot-boxes/gambling].).
Last edited by Agenta; Nov 24, 2018 @ 6:19pm
GunsForBucks (Banned) Nov 25, 2018 @ 4:43am 
Originally posted by Agenta1999:
Originally posted by God Tier Aim:
know what warframe allows and they dont? the ability to trade the premium currency.
Now if only trade-chat wasn't a riven-infested cesspool...

(Edit: And yes, in case it's not obvious, I don't like rivens. At all. They are taking RNG to a WHOLE new extreme, and have caused trade-chat to essentially turn into riven-chat. I will be happy to see DE get the much-needed backlash when people like Jim Sterling, Sid-Alpha, or Yong-Yea figure out about Warframe's Riven Mods [all of them are {fairly} popular gaming youtubes that have been some significant voices against loot-boxes/gambling].).
What the heck are you on about?

Rivens are a free drop from a job in game ... you don't "pay" anything so it isn't a "gamble"

It is just RNG of a free item.
No_Quarter (Banned) Nov 25, 2018 @ 4:49am 
Originally posted by Agenta1999:
Battacor is not even the worst example btw. That would be the Hema.
You can farm Hema in few hours

progression is not time gate, requirement developing previous weapons in development tree has been introduced to hell in all games, just in this game you do not see the tree.

Warframe is a game for which many say it has best F2P mode out there. Waiting for few things here and there does not really efect your experience as at any point you are far behind in everything you could possibly do in this game and saying it is bad to wait for an item makes you look like you are sitting in game and watching that item tick as it develops.

Equinox takes time? Sure the hell she does, she is one of the most versatile warframes in game and 2 in 1 pack, lucky for you there are 35 more warframes you can play while you wait for her.
Forma Nov 25, 2018 @ 4:57am 
You can farm Hema in few hours


Get a load of this guy.
Agenta Nov 25, 2018 @ 10:19am 
Originally posted by GunsForBucks:
Originally posted by Agenta1999:
Now if only trade-chat wasn't a riven-infested cesspool...

(Edit: And yes, in case it's not obvious, I don't like rivens. At all. They are taking RNG to a WHOLE new extreme, and have caused trade-chat to essentially turn into riven-chat. I will be happy to see DE get the much-needed backlash when people like Jim Sterling, Sid-Alpha, or Yong-Yea figure out about Warframe's Riven Mods [all of them are {fairly} popular gaming youtubes that have been some significant voices against loot-boxes/gambling].).
What the heck are you on about?

Rivens are a free drop from a job in game ... you don't "pay" anything so it isn't a "gamble"

It is just RNG of a free item.
Gambling is not ONLY paying real money.

Gambling, the legal definition anyway, is defined as paying a specific amount of currency for an uncertain result.

Rivens have 4 levels of RNG. 1 of them is EXCPLICITLY gambling.

1: You must get a drop as a riven from a Sortie.
2: Pistol, Rifle, Melee, or Shotgun riven.
3: What weapon is the riven for?
4: Roll the riven using Kuva, getting randomised stats each time in hope for that "Perfect" roll.

Step 4 is gambling by nature. Combine that with the 3 layers of RNG for free "Drops" and you can see why decent rivens can cost 10+ dollars worth of Platinum in trade chat, and god rivens are however much the individual wants to sell.

Originally posted by No_Quarter:
Originally posted by Agenta1999:
Battacor is not even the worst example btw. That would be the Hema.
You can farm Hema in few hours

progression is not time gate, requirement developing previous weapons in development tree has been introduced to hell in all games, just in this game you do not see the tree.

Warframe is a game for which many say it has best F2P mode out there. Waiting for few things here and there does not really efect your experience as at any point you are far behind in everything you could possibly do in this game and saying it is bad to wait for an item makes you look like you are sitting in game and watching that item tick as it develops.

Equinox takes time? Sure the hell she does, she is one of the most versatile warframes in game and 2 in 1 pack, lucky for you there are 35 more warframes you can play while you wait for her.
Hema requires an EXTREME amount of clan-level grinding to unlock the Hema. EXTREME level. It's not a few-hours level grind. It's a few months level grind for one weapon that isn't actually that good.

Also, Equinox is NOT the most versatile WF in the game. On paper, yes she looks that way.

However she can't be during regular gameplay due to Equinox's 2 major builds (Sleep and Maim) contradicting each other based on stats they want (Sleep wants duration, effiency, and range with no care about strength, Maim wants strength, effiency, and range with no care about duration).

This is made worse by the fact that the Energy Conversion buff, the mod that enables Maim to have map-clearing level range, is lost when your 4 and 3 turn off when you swap forms.
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