Lore question: Why do the Grineer hate Tenno so much?

[☠Black Knight]

Basically what the title says. I have competed all of the main story quests Stolen Dreams through The Sacrifice, and perhaps I missed something, but was it ever explained why the Grineer hate Tenno with so much passion?

From my understanding, didn't both the Tenno and the Grineer (though not necessarily working together) betray the Orokin? If that is the case, you would think that there would be some kind of common understanding between the two factions. Yet the Grineer display so much hatred towards the Tenno that you would think we had been raping their babies for a millenia or something lol.

Is it not a Tenno thing? Do they just hate everything? Does anyone even know yet?

[primobrainlet]

Also the orokin made grineer pretty much the lowest of the low alongside the corpus, and given that the tenno are orokin children from the start, there may be a bit of extra fuel in the fire

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by ☠Black Knight:

Lore question: Why do the Grineer hate Tenno so much?

Is it not a Tenno thing? Do they just hate everything? Does anyone even know yet?

Its a 'you've murdered over a hundred thousand of us *each* thing.

[Kexin]

I wonder if you guys even play the game. How can the Tennos even be viewed as the good guys? They committed xenocide and wiped out the greatest civilization in history of the Origin system, plunging the solar system into a dark age of war and depravity. You're talking about billions upon billions of civilized lives lost just so Cetus savages can have "freedom" and eat giant slices of mysterious tower meat.

[Meewec]

i think it's a fear turns to anger, anger turns to hatred kinda thing

[Venrez]

Originally posted by Kexin:

I wonder if you guys even play the game. How can the Tennos even be viewed as the good guys? They committed xenocide and wiped out the greatest civilization in history of the Origin system, plunging the solar system into a dark age of war and depravity. You're talking about billions upon billions of civilized lives lost just so Cetus savages can have "freedom" and eat giant slices of mysterious tower meat.

I agree in that the Tenno are just as bad, if not worse, than the Grineer, Infested and Orokin combined.

I support the Corpus in that the pursuit of profit and advancement (technological or socio-political) at least drives a market force that weeds out the weak and ensures continual development.

You might argue that it is immoral to sell-out a group of people, for example selling weapons they helped develop to the very enemies they made them to use against - but so what? In the end, you make a profit and the strong (mentally, monetarily or physically) survive.

- - -

The Lotus is evil through and through. A lying, manipulative, abusive wench.

From the very first mission I had an innate distrust and scowling avoidance of her and that self-righteous nosense she spouts.

Every mission and piece of lore since indicates she is a monster and not to be trusted.

Nothing would satisfy me more, in terms of Warframe, than a final mission to behead her and burn the remains, all Tenno who are "loyal" to the "Lotus" and then go our own way.

We have no reason, no ties, no motive and no logical purpose to serve her. Whatsoever.

We are an immortal space-ghost piloting semi-sentient human-shaped Warframes to butcher who we want, take what we want and go where we want, after all.

[JCTiger0]

Originally posted by Something Something Watermelons:

Originally posted by JCTiger0:

the thing is they are programed to be loyal the kuva troops being the most loyal and a lot of them do defect entire ships probably defect but if they defect as a kuva troop they are probably killed imdeatly and there are no defectors in a high enought rank to secretly defected and get close enought to kill her especially since there are always kuva guards and the queens braid force feld thing

Well that was a butchering of the English language, but I guess the ghist is understandable and agreeable.

ya i was never taught how to spell and it's the only language i know so i can't go to like google tranlate and im to lazy to go and search words at least im not alien queen level.

[Meewec]

Corpus are just as bad if not worse than pretty much every major faction. Only a few of the syndicates are decent alongside the people of cetus

[JCTiger0]

Originally posted by Kexin:

I wonder if you guys even play the game. How can the Tennos even be viewed as the good guys? They committed xenocide and wiped out the greatest civilization in history of the Origin system, plunging the solar system into a dark age of war and depravity. You're talking about billions upon billions of civilized lives lost just so Cetus savages can have "freedom" and eat giant slices of mysterious tower meat.

the orokin the ones that for the comfert of the few made the many suffer there were only like 500 orokin tops the rest of the system was in poverdy and it was worse then it is now sure they had better tech but they couldn't afford to eat there were clone slaves tacking there jobs and they could be taken by an orokin as a new body

[Aegix Drakan]

Originally posted by Kexin:

I wonder if you guys even play the game. How can the Tennos even be viewed as the good guys? They committed xenocide and wiped out the greatest civilization in history of the Origin system, plunging the solar system into a dark age of war and depravity. You're talking about billions upon billions of civilized lives lost just so Cetus savages can have "freedom" and eat giant slices of mysterious tower meat.

I...Wonder if you've played the game.

The Orokin are responsible for every major problem in the game. They're Mad Scientist Kings who unleashed insanity and endless war on the system at every turn.


For one thing, the Orokin were the elite upper circle of society, genetically engineered to be immortal and near-perfect. They weren't the average regular people. The average regular people were still getting screwed by the Orokin. Even the highly trained Dax Soldiers were fitted with anti-rebellion restraints and were treated as tools to be used and discarded (or slaughtered for giggles)

Second, the Origin system was already in a dark age of war and depreavity because of the Orokin. Let's recap, shall we?

1) Orokin pillage the hell out of the system, causing earth to be almost completely uninhabitable, and many other planets to be horribly ruined, putting all of humanity in peril.

2) Orokin create the Sentients to go terraform the Tau system. Sentients realize the Orokin would destroy Tau too, and decide to slaughter the entirety of humanity as a result. ie, the Orokin created a xenocidal race that wants to slaughter all human life in the Origin system.

3) Orokin created the mass-produced clone army that would become the Grineer in order to combat the sentients who could take over their technology. Orokin didn't care about their lives and bred them to die in a losing war.

4) Orokin created the Infestation to fight the Sentients, and it went out of control and ATE the planet/asteroid Eris, and now they want to eat the rest of the solar system. ie, the Orokin created another xenocidal race that wants to slaughter everything in the Origin System.

5) Orokin created the warframes, by scientifically infesting humans with a particular strain of infestation. Some were volunteers, others definitely were not. And the process was gruesome and painful. The Orokin didn't care about the mind-shattering perpetual agony of the victims. The Warframes then snap in mental anguish and turn on the Orokin and would have destroyed the whole system if they hadn't locked them all up in Cryo. Ie, the Orokin created a Xenocidal race that yadda yadda yadda are you seeing a pattern?

6) Orokin take a bunch of psychic kids that survived a messed up hyperspace jump...Whch hang on, the whole thing is suspicious. It was supposed to be a military vessel, why were there kids on board? I have to wonder if the "accident" that stranded them in the void was actually an accident and not a planned experiment...

Anyway, the Orokin took the kids that survived the incident with psychic powers, considered them rejects and "demons" for having void powers, executed the only person who cared about them, and then locked them up in Cryo on the moon for a few years.

7) Orokin then try to purge the memories (And failed) of the psychic kids, and then used the research of the woman they executed to merge Tenno and Warframe into a weapon that could actually beat the Sentients who were slaughtering the Origin System. FINALLY they do something that works, even if they're being their usual cruel and arrogant selves.

8) One Orokin decided to betray all of humanity to the Sentients, the Lotus comes into play, gives the Tenno the power to rebel, and they do, killing the Orokin that were the cause of all the Origin System's problems. The Lotus then turns on the Sentients (pure luck that she mimics Margulis and develops a bond with the Tenno), and the Origin system is NOT destroyed by the traitor orokin who sold out the entire system.

9) The Tenno beat back the sentients, saving the entire system, then go into Cryo Sleep in case the sentients come back.

10) The Grineer, without Orokin guidance, revolt and become a Xenocidal race that yadda yadda what is that, like 4 xenocidal races who want to destroy the system that the Orokin created by now?

11) The Tenno wake up and try to cull the numbers of the Grineer, Corpus, Infestation and Sentients to protect the surviving regular humans on the colonies, relays and Cetus. They're fighting a veerrrry slow victory and actually measurably save lives if the relays and few safe villages are any indication.

12) The traitor Orokin takes away the Tenno's source of guidance (lotus) and then restarts a new war between the Origin System and the Sentients, a xenocidal race that the orokin themselves created.

So....Did I make my point?

The Tenno aren't pure good guys. We're mercanaries who are drawn by the pull of loot and shiny things.

But we're the best hope for the surviving regular people of the origin system. Hell, we're willing to work with Grineer and Corpus who are trying to stop their faction's insane war. We can be reasoned with. The other factions refuse to do so.

And the "Universe on fire" that we're fighting in is on fire almost entirely because of the Orokin's cruel and arrogant decisions.

The Tenno are capable of caring. The Orokin prove time and again that they can't.

Originally posted by Venrez:

I support the Corpus in that the pursuit of profit and advancement (technological or socio-political) at least drives a market force that weeds out the weak and ensures continual development.

You can only say that because the Tenno are immortal warrior-gods.

How does someone born into debt-slavery on Venus, under 50% interest rate that they can never pay off, whose every discovery or work becomes the property of their overseers, get themselves out of that situation outside of rebellion?

Easy for the impossibly strong/lucky/rich to tell those who are essentially slaves "work hard and you can be like me!"

[Grey Star, The Rival Defender]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

Originally posted by ☠Black Knight:

Lore question: Why do the Grineer hate Tenno so much?

Is it not a Tenno thing? Do they just hate everything? Does anyone even know yet?

Its a 'you've murdered over a hundred thousand of us *each* thing.

We started the game with the Grineer Queens ordering our kind murdered in our sleep and Vor deciding to kidnap us instead. Everything after that point isn’t murder.

[Grey Star, The Rival Defender]

Originally posted by Venrez:

Originally posted by Kexin:

I wonder if you guys even play the game. How can the Tennos even be viewed as the good guys? They committed xenocide and wiped out the greatest civilization in history of the Origin system, plunging the solar system into a dark age of war and depravity. You're talking about billions upon billions of civilized lives lost just so Cetus savages can have "freedom" and eat giant slices of mysterious tower meat.

I agree in that the Tenno are just as bad, if not worse, than the Grineer, Infested and Orokin combined.

I support the Corpus in that the pursuit of profit and advancement (technological or socio-political) at least drives a market force that weeds out the weak and ensures continual development.

You might argue that it is immoral to sell-out a group of people, for example selling weapons they helped develop to the very enemies they made them to use against - but so what? In the end, you make a profit and the strong (mentally, monetarily or physically) survive.

- - -

The Lotus is evil through and through. A lying, manipulative, abusive wench.

From the very first mission I had an innate distrust and scowling avoidance of her and that self-righteous nosense she spouts.

Every mission and piece of lore since indicates she is a monster and not to be trusted.

Nothing would satisfy me more, in terms of Warframe, than a final mission to behead her and burn the remains, all Tenno who are "loyal" to the "Lotus" and then go our own way.

We have no reason, no ties, no motive and no logical purpose to serve her. Whatsoever.

We are an immortal space-ghost piloting semi-sentient human-shaped Warframes to butcher who we want, take what we want and go where we want, after all.

You’re just salty the Ostrons have a better culture than the Corpus ever will. Hell, you’re salty the Tenno have a better culture than the Corpus ever will.

[FL00F3RS]

Originally posted by JCTiger0:

they are programed to hate everyone not grineer and get things that will increase there power and tip the war in there favour like a warframe. the queens don't hate you they just want your body

should have worded that better

[Kexin]

Originally posted by Aegix Drakan:

Originally posted by Kexin:

I wonder if you guys even play the game. How can the Tennos even be viewed as the good guys? They committed xenocide and wiped out the greatest civilization in history of the Origin system, plunging the solar system into a dark age of war and depravity. You're talking about billions upon billions of civilized lives lost just so Cetus savages can have "freedom" and eat giant slices of mysterious tower meat.

I...Wonder if you've played the game.

The Orokin are responsible for every major problem in the game. They're Mad Scientist Kings who unleashed insanity and endless war on the system at every turn.


For one thing, the Orokin were the elite upper circle of society, genetically engineered to be immortal and near-perfect. They weren't the average regular people. The average regular people were still getting screwed by the Orokin. Even the highly trained Dax Soldiers were fitted with anti-rebellion restraints and were treated as tools to be used and discarded (or slaughtered for giggles)

Second, the Origin system was already in a dark age of war and depreavity because of the Orokin. Let's recap, shall we?

1) Orokin pillage the hell out of the system, causing earth to be almost completely uninhabitable, and many other planets to be horribly ruined, putting all of humanity in peril.

2) Orokin create the Sentients to go terraform the Tau system. Sentients realize the Orokin would destroy Tau too, and decide to slaughter the entirety of humanity as a result. ie, the Orokin created a xenocidal race that wants to slaughter all human life in the Origin system.

3) Orokin created the mass-produced clone army that would become the Grineer in order to combat the sentients who could take over their technology. Orokin didn't care about their lives and bred them to die in a losing war.

4) Orokin created the Infestation to fight the Sentients, and it went out of control and ATE the planet/asteroid Eris, and now they want to eat the rest of the solar system. ie, the Orokin created another xenocidal race that wants to slaughter everything in the Origin System.

5) Orokin created the warframes, by scientifically infesting humans with a particular strain of infestation. Some were volunteers, others definitely were not. And the process was gruesome and painful. The Orokin didn't care about the mind-shattering perpetual agony of the victims. The Warframes then snap in mental anguish and turn on the Orokin and would have destroyed the whole system if they hadn't locked them all up in Cryo. Ie, the Orokin created a Xenocidal race that yadda yadda yadda are you seeing a pattern?

6) Orokin take a bunch of psychic kids that survived a messed up hyperspace jump...Whch hang on, the whole thing is suspicious. It was supposed to be a military vessel, why were there kids on board? I have to wonder if the "accident" that stranded them in the void was actually an accident and not a planned experiment...

Anyway, the Orokin took the kids that survived the incident with psychic powers, considered them rejects and "demons" for having void powers, executed the only person who cared about them, and then locked them up in Cryo on the moon for a few years.

7) Orokin then try to purge the memories (And failed) of the psychic kids, and then used the research of the woman they executed to merge Tenno and Warframe into a weapon that could actually beat the Sentients who were slaughtering the Origin System. FINALLY they do something that works, even if they're being their usual cruel and arrogant selves.

8) One Orokin decided to betray all of humanity to the Sentients, the Lotus comes into play, gives the Tenno the power to rebel, and they do, killing the Orokin that were the cause of all the Origin System's problems. The Lotus then turns on the Sentients (pure luck that she mimics Margulis and develops a bond with the Tenno), and the Origin system is NOT destroyed by the traitor orokin who sold out the entire system.

9) The Tenno beat back the sentients, saving the entire system, then go into Cryo Sleep in case the sentients come back.

10) The Grineer, without Orokin guidance, revolt and become a Xenocidal race that yadda yadda what is that, like 4 xenocidal races who want to destroy the system that the Orokin created by now?

11) The Tenno wake up and try to cull the numbers of the Grineer, Corpus, Infestation and Sentients to protect the surviving regular humans on the colonies, relays and Cetus. They're fighting a veerrrry slow victory and actually measurably save lives if the relays and few safe villages are any indication.

12) The traitor Orokin takes away the Tenno's source of guidance (lotus) and then restarts a new war between the Origin System and the Sentients, a xenocidal race that the orokin themselves created.

So....Did I make my point?

The Tenno aren't pure good guys. We're mercanaries who are drawn by the pull of loot and shiny things.

But we're the best hope for the surviving regular people of the origin system. Hell, we're willing to work with Grineer and Corpus who are trying to stop their faction's insane war. We can be reasoned with. The other factions refuse to do so.

And the "Universe on fire" that we're fighting in is on fire almost entirely because of the Orokin's cruel and arrogant decisions.

The Tenno are capable of caring. The Orokin prove time and again that they can't.

Originally posted by Venrez:

I support the Corpus in that the pursuit of profit and advancement (technological or socio-political) at least drives a market force that weeds out the weak and ensures continual development.

You can only say that because the Tenno are immortal warrior-gods.

How does someone born into debt-slavery on Venus, under 50% interest rate that they can never pay off, whose every discovery or work becomes the property of their overseers, get themselves out of that situation outside of rebellion?

Easy for the impossibly strong/lucky/rich to tell those who are essentially slaves "work hard and you can be like me!"

I'm sorry but your list of Orokin evils isn't long enough for justifying the systematic murder of billions. This is like the Allies winning WW2 then deciding that the Germans can not be redeemed and must be eradicated. Every man, woman, and child must be put to the sword, because thats exactly what the Tennos did. The Origin system was in chaos when the Tennos came to power and it is still a dumpster fire today. They literally wiped out an entire race for nothing and they're poised to wipe out two more. For what?

[Meewec]

We wiped out the orokin leadership, then vanished. Everything else was their society collapsing in on itself due to that lack of leadership.

[Grey Star, The Rival Defender]

Why does everyone say commiting genocide on the Grineer is bad?