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I dont think implimenting a kick feature will solve the problem. Most of the time nobody will be joining in a late phase mission anyway. Your best bet will be drag him on or leave the mission and start again. For normal missions, when I know my team can handle it, I do go afk too, not necessarily away from keyboard, but still laying back and looking at the phone or something. Doesnt mean I dont care for the team. And I wouldn't mind someone going afk in some long a** survival or something, as long as I can handle the crowd.
I'm not implying that kick feature would be a bad idea, its just there is a high possibility that people might abuse the feature.
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even so thats the way you play banshee on a Def mission, this was a year ago.
Anyone had this happend too, nowadays?
As for leeching, how many times have you been in a mission where a Saryn, Volt, Mag, Banshee etc. etc. has done 90% of the killing and everyone just stands there? Lots, I imagine. Would you allow that player to kick the other three? These builds are boring enough to play alongside but if they can kick you as well it opens up a whole new level of trolling.
A vote kick would entrench the already stagnant, outdated meta rules even further. For Index, Tridolon, and farming, even basic missions like defence or excavation, people would demand specific builds and kick anyone who doesn't use that. You'd only ever be allowed Mesa, Trinity, Frost, Rhino, Chroma and Nova. You'd never be allowed to try anything new or use anything non-meta. Trinity is so boring to use but every meta group demands her presence. She isn't even necessary 90% of the time.
If a player in the team starts the mission by saying that, i wouldn't kick him as it's an ingame feature.
Don't they realize how easily abused these systems are? Especially higher the risk the larger the community.
It would be L4D2 all over again where people vote kick you for stopping for a sec just cause you wanted to scratch your nose.
Not to mention that what you suggested is NOT afk/leeching gameplay.
there is no fun in leeching, person is abusing the squad and jerking off while alt-tabbed.
Not to mention that certain missions were failed because of leeches, rescue target can teleport on them and be killed because he is not protecting them and he is 1000 meters away so no one will get there in time to revive the target. Had that happen few times.
Had bounties fail couple of times, capturing containers on Orb Vallis is scaled with squads meaning you get more container spawns with more players.
Depending on location it can be hard to cover all containers, and argument of "well just pick Saryn and kill everything in two clicks" does not apply because there are 40 other warframes, what, pick one warframe so you do not mind leeching because you would prevent other players from playing the game anyway.
Your argument makes no sense, chill is still gameplay, leeching is not chill, leeching is act of being a ♥♥♥♥. You bringing your own friend with you to carry him is not leeching, that is boosting.
Random people leeching consistently is a problem, I cannot remember how many times I had same people leech in kuva siphons, you do one mission, he afk, you enter another he afk, you enter 3-rd one he afk and I left the squad after every mission, just matchmaker placed us together. Such player should be punished, sure, we have option to carry any mission but lower mr players don't so in case of a squad of 3 mr9's vs lvl 100 enemies it makes a huuuuuuuuuge difference if one is afk.
Do not mistake few broken warframes which people abuse to their fullest to a broad game. There are missions and cases where leeching is a direct reason for mission failure. And person should and WILL be punished if I send a screenshot to a support, like banning for leeching is a thing in warframe - we are not discussing your opinion on it because people were and will be banned regardless of it.
Proposal was to make it easier to report and to make it more automated to process that report.
Would make me spend less time to make a ticket to support, would make support less time to deal with it - everybody wins.
Otherwise trolls could just force start missions when people are not ready and then report them for being AFK when they didn't even agree to start the match.
Because automated leeching is NOT when you are fully afk. You do not get any rewards. Leeching is when you move every 2 minutes to avoid afk protections and get rewards by abusing a broken mechanic such as rift for example.
Which means that fact check can be implemented with ease (read my post about it, not one above but previous one) to fact check differences between you being actually afk and forced in the game and you CONSISTENTLY joining games to leech.
Such a huge difference gameplay wise that I cannot see anyone rationally thinking and coming to a conclusion that it can be mistaken. Like if you troll for example, you forced start the mission and player is afk, you report. You do that again, you do that again and logs say that YOU are doing that consistently so your reports do not have a weight, it is obvious that you are abusing the system and for it you may even get banned as current chat system warns you about it - you can get banned for reporting if you abuse the report button.
Force start needs to stay because game is bugged as ♥♥♥♥ and in a lot of cases people cannot accept the mission even if they clicked accept. Had that too many times.
Tho DE could remove it if they intend to introduce better debugging for players than /unstuck, if they keep dropping updates and leaving them in broken states for weeks then players need a way to force out of loss of functionality problem which /unstuck does not solve.
If they make that possible, sure, remove forced start, it can be annoying as ♥♥♥♥ when players start the mission before I changed my loadout or tweaked a build for what I want to do.
Also, ready option for Railjack does not exist and it is bad so I see forced start to have some issues but I prioritize the fact that game does not always work as intended and features that let us force it to work without doing alt+F4 are good features.
I think you misunderstood my comment buddy, I wasn't rooting for the leechers or anything. I meant that if a system like that come into place, people will abuse the sh*t out of it.. Mostly the ones who dont understand the game well.. Imagine being in a defense mission with max range saryn and speedva. There is nothing much others can do rather than just count those exploding bodies. Or a limbo in an excavation or a hyldrin with her 4th in mobile defense. Or a max range/strength Equinox in extermination. These frames doesnt even have to move from their place to complete the objectives or to kill enemies. Later in game we know, we don't even have to take the effort to kill the enemies to complete some missions. For a newbie, all he will see are some "stationary warframes on macro". Instant kickvote..
It can happen otherway also, people bringing some op frames in low lvl missions and kill everything on the map even before the lower MRs realise what's even happening and at the end of the mission if that guy proceeds to report everyone in his squad ? The total damage done by other players will be either "zero" or negligible enough to warrant a ticket against them.
And the new system would force the "meta" upon everyone, where everyone is forced to play a certain role/frame and only do what they are expected to do. Otherwise they would get kicked no matter what. Warframe is a game where we play with our favourite frame/weapon combo and play with frames which are comfortable for our playstyle while having fun. The new system will take away our freedom to experiment stuffs.
Like I said, when someone want to do a mission/raid seriously, why not gather some people and prepare a pre-comp squad before doing so..? This will allow other to have fun with there silly affairs, doing whatever they want to do, while the more "serious players" can find similar ones and organise squads to complete a mission.
Does false chat report get you banned? Do you abuse chat report?
You mentioned scenarios that are NOTHING like leeching. Saryn player spamming 4 like a skilled player he is, a Shroud in disguise, does not make squad leech. You can be a leech in that squad or you can try to play, still odds are against you because Saryn is so balanced that she always has more kills than entire squad combined, often 2-4 times more kills than entire squad but that is A DIFFERENT problem to solve.
Like it is obvious she is broken, hope we are not dumb here and we are not gonna claim she is fine, fact out, if warframe is top preforming warframe in every scenario then it is a broken warframe. Goes for any mechanic.
Now, if Saryn makes everyone leech then problem is not about leeches but about Saryn which just reinforces the need for her to be nerfed, you just said it, players in squad with Saryn are effectively afk, their contribution is irrelevant even if they try to do something.
And you can report leeches to the support right now, your report of 3 players not doing much while you spam 4 with Saryn will not cause a ban because it is not a legitimate report.
Same would go for in-game report, because entering a random match where Saryn is tryharding and getting only 100 out of 1000 total kills is not leeching, you did what balance of the game allowed you to do.
Now other reason it cannot be abused is that - I do not play in such way consistently that I am always with some Saryn in a match praying I'll get to see how enemies look. No, that happens once or twice and then you get a normal squad.
While leech will enter with Limbo each and every time, each time click shift and move only to avoid afk protection and not to do mission, that is XYZ movement and that is logged.
Now what is also different is that I may get reported by toxic Saryn players while they abuse broken mechanics to make everyone else irrelevant, sure, I can get reported for not doing much with Valkyr for example because I cannot reach enemies and there will be 2 reports per month for me doing that. While for leech there will be 2 reports per hour for doing that. Statistical methods are useful to spot that and if you know about then then it should be clear to you how impossible would it be to abuse it.
Not to mention that if you abuse report button you will get banned your self, it is said on any report from current report list and I do not see how magically you could abuse this one without it being obvious? Like, you sent 200 reports for afk player in last hour, are you sure 200 people will get banned or it may be you?
If you consistently report it then it will be obvious, if newbie reports it then it is obvious because report log contains data that suggests you were not leeching but you just played Equinox with Maim on lvl 20 players like all god tier players do.
I do not see how people doubt the system so bad when such system exists and is applied, log that in-game afk report sends is the same log support accesses when you sent a screenshot or a video of a player leeching. They access a session log and if necessary they check more. With in-game report it can be automated as I suggested above so no one has to check it. Obviously with bit more but you get the basics.
How does adding an easier button change that and make it instantly prone to abuse if system already exists?
Once again, can you abuse chat report button? Can you abuse leech report to the support? No, you cannot.
And there is difference, if you read it, between that and people who join missions CONSISTENTLY to do nothing. And those cases are obviously different from random afk scenarios to anyone who uses bit of brain or a silly code to distinguish them
Your strawman tactic is terrible, either argue the issue or do not twist anyone's words and just leave the argument because your view does not add anything to the point apart from trying to skew it.
And if you argue at least read why I mentioned your reasons why it can be abused are not realistic or based on any knowledge on how report systems work and how simple statistics work.
ofc I do not care to force you into thinking with me, that is why I am trying to explain why point you are making are off topic and to put it in kindest words strawman arguments as you take my words or anyone else's and twist them to your own liking into something you can argue with pointless comments that should not even exist because 3 posts ago I explained why system cannot be abused and you switching to rift is NOT leeching and is VERY much different than reason why that report button is needed in the game.
Now only reason for you to ignore actual arguments and to go strawman is if you want to continue leeching and your argument how people flamed you for using Limbo is bit of a lie on what actually happens when you leech.
Or you are just make conscious effort to troll or even worse stay ignorant of problems game faces. People having to record and go out of their way to send replays to support takes a while - way more time than actual leech deserves.
I had people offering me platinum to not send replay to support. I sent screenshot to the support too as well as replay of their actions to stay afk as well as avoid anti-afk protection.
because to anyone with a brain it is obvious when someone went to take a crap and when that someone join your games over and over with same afk warframe and stays afk. Do not twist that, give an effort to understand, read, report button is for those and it CANNOT be abused against people who are not afk.
I dont want to nitpick, but just curious. The word "leeching" is kinda releative dont you think? If a player starts a mission on Earth and gets queued with someone who's there to collect some moonlight plants. And since he isn't contributing anything for the mission objective, isn't he effectively leeching in the eyes of other player? Or someone unveiling a riven or hunting kavats. Don't they all appear to be leechers when viewed through the eyes of someone who is solely there to complete the mission and get over with it?