Worth upgrading railjack ?

[DARK]

So is it worth investing into the railjack atm ?. Ive seen a lot of ppl just doing the mission with arch wings.
Also are the BP's we pick up worth the investment ?.
Most parts ive seen like shields, engines & reactor are worse then the vanilla one you research.
Anyone building BP parts from drops or just scrapping them for the new endo.

[Warhunter]

skip everything up to mk3 and skip all zekti weapons. they are hot garbage with how fast they overheat.

for the most part until you find parts you believe you will use for the rest of the game i wouldnt bother building anything unless you want to fly your railjack or if you have an excess of resources you've stockpiled from playing railjack

[PhotriusPyrelus]

The BPs you pick up are - or can eventually be - good. I've yet to find a reactor that's really worth the investment, but I know they're out there.

Weapons are annoying. I don't think Zetki are "hot garbage", but they are very, very hot and I tend to prefer Vidar weapons.

I mean, at this point unless you really want the Railjack set up a specific way, you can pretty much just join on other folks and have fun and stockpile resources.

I expect at lot of people (myself included) will be mildly (and some not-so-mildly) annoyed at all the "wasted" resources when Mark 4, 5, and so forth gear emerges.

[DARK]

Thanks for the input so far. What ive been doing is just joining others railjack atm but i had a fair amount of stock so wanted input what to build ect. Ill hold off for now i guess. Ty again

[Midnight]

Nah, all you need to farm early veil for MK3 drops is decent avionics and grid upgrades and MK3 research equipment.

And all of those things are better farmed in earth/saturn which is pretty easy even solo by now.

Also, I'm pretty sure drop tables are broken right now since Zetki wreckage is all that ever drops (doubt that is intended). So instead of farming your tits out hoping for that ridiculously lucky Vidar drop you might just want to get the other stuff I mentioned and then wait for DE to fix those drop tables.

[DARK]

Originally posted by Midnight:

Nah, all you need to farm early veil for MK3 drops is decent avionics and grid upgrades and MK3 research equipment.

And all of those things are better farmed in earth/saturn which is pretty easy even solo by now.

Also, I'm pretty sure drop tables are broken right now since Zetki wreckage is all that ever drops (doubt that is intended). So instead of farming your tits out hoping for that ridiculously lucky Vidar drop you might just want to get the other stuff I mentioned and then wait for DE to fix those drop tables.

Thanks for advice. Ill stick with veil mission from here on out.

[ZaydinTTV]

Yes, it's worth upgrading. If you don't ahve at least Mark 3 sigma guns, you're not going to kill anything in a timely fashion in the veil.

You also ideally want to have at least a Mark 3 Sigma reactor, too, to fit more avionics. A Zetki Bulkhead avionic is almost mandatory.

[Warhunter]

zekti guns have 4x the heat accumulation than the other 2 houses for like 10-20% the damage bonus and minor crit/status boosts. in my opinion thats not worth the trade at all. if zekti had a damage boost of 2x it would be better for burst fire it wants to be. but 10-20% bonus to damage is garbage for the price they pay

and even then zekti guns roll for fire rate for the random buff (i think zekti pulsars are the only ones that roll for damage)
vidar and lavian are way better for sustaining damage and their buffs work so much better since they dont overheat in over 1second of firing.

[PhotriusPyrelus]

Originally posted by Zaydin:

A Zetki Bulkhead avionic is almost mandatory.

Armour is more important than HP. I have the bulkhead any I never see a critical breach unless I'm being *really* stupid, or have to park in open space for some reason.

Originally posted by Warhunter:

zekti guns have 4x the heat accumulation than the other 2 houses for like 10-20% the damage bonus and minor crit/status boosts.

It's actually ~50% more damage. Vidar/Lavan Cryophon does base 4,407; Zetki does 6,611. Vidar/Lavan Apoc does 78.9+184.1 = 263; Zetki does 118.5+276.5 = 395 395/263 = 1.5019011...

I still don't find it worth the heat accretion, except *maybe* on the cryophon if you can actually get it one-shotting fighters.

[Warhunter]

huh i dont remember it being that high. maybe i did misremember the difference in damage. but since zekti weapons only get increased fire rate it really hurts since they overheat so fast...

[DARK]

Originally posted by PhotriusPyrelus:

Originally posted by Zaydin:

A Zetki Bulkhead avionic is almost mandatory.

Armour is more important than HP. I have the bulkhead any I never see a critical breach unless I'm being *really* stupid, or have to park in open space for some reason.

Originally posted by Warhunter:

zekti guns have 4x the heat accumulation than the other 2 houses for like 10-20% the damage bonus and minor crit/status boosts.

It's actually ~50% more damage. Vidar/Lavan Cryophon does base 4,407; Zetki does 6,611. Vidar/Lavan Apoc does 78.9+184.1 = 263; Zetki does 118.5+276.5 = 395 395/263 = 1.5019011...

I still don't find it worth the heat accretion, except *maybe* on the cryophon if you can actually get it one-shotting fighters.

Thanks for the effort of putting all this info bud. Much appreciated. Might craft Cryophon mkIII Zekti ? i dont own a vidar & ive played a fair amount of railjack in the past week.

[PhotriusPyrelus]

Originally posted by Warhunter:

huh i dont remember it being that high. maybe i did misremember the difference in damage. but since zekti weapons only get increased fire rate it really hurts since they overheat so fast...

Originally posted by DARK:

Thanks for the effort of putting all this info bud. Much appreciated. Might craft Cryophon mkIII Zekti ? i dont own a vidar & ive played a fair amount of railjack in the past week.

It does bear mentioning this part from the wiki:

Recovered Mk II and Mk III Armament Wreckages (particularly Turrets) will come with a random stat bonus in either Fire Rate or Damage. Fire Rate stats may range from 27.8-60% while damage stats may range from 15.5-60%.

Duplicate armaments can only have the same bonus type. e.g. Vidar Apoc Mk III will always have +Weapon damage. But a Zetki Apoc Mk III will always have +Fire rate

Do note the "mays", there. I have not found a Vidar weapon even close to 60% Increased Damage.

So a very well-rolled Vidar weapon can perhaps outclass (or at least approach) a Zetki for raw damage, but it will have a much better heat accretion. It will lack the Zetki's fire rate bonus, but the Zetki can't even really take advantage of that because of its exorbitant heat accretion.

TLDR: Vidar weapons are probably the best when best rolled. Zetki Crypohons *may* be better when the Vidar Cryophon is poorly rolled. I don't know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



As a musing aside, it really seems like Vidar makes most of the best stuff. Best weapons, best reactor (avionics focus), best engine (base speed focus; I can't actually work out the math because engines seem to do weird stuff, especially with Conic Nozzel and Winged Cyclone, but the increase of boost multiplier seems really small compared to the base speed increases).

Zetki shields take the cake (at least IMO), though. They recharge so stupidly fast, if you can avoid damage for just a few seconds you should have most of your shield back even with just the basic biscuit Anode Cell.

It's interesting. Reading the descriptions, I really expected Zetki to be top dog, but outside some outstanding avionics (while you don't currently *need* the Zetki Bulkhead, it is by far the best), they really don't seem to be.

[DARK]

Thanks again for the advice ect @PhotriusPyrelus.
I might keep trying to farm up some vidar parts more before i craft anything.

[Carnasid]

I've personally had garbage luck getting wreckage drops, so have had to make do with the clantech equipment. MkIII gear isn't bad to farm resources for and is quite serviceable well through Saturn, so don't fret too much if you can't find BIS equipment as there is a viable alternative.

[[88th] ColPresumptuous]

Vidar weapons mk3 are good... although drop pretty rarely. Photons id ignore, the chem guns are some of the better choices, I like Pulse for its hitscan. Everyone goes the Cryos but they are short range and super high heat even the vidar ones.

Zekti mk3 shields are decent given they can come with a +25% to weapon damage if shields depleted, which is basically always lol.

I like Zekti engines too, middle of the road, although the Lavan ones are probably the best given you dont get a huge amount of boost even from Vidars which are boost based so Lavans with a decent kph and bonus effect are what you want.

Basically zektis are weighted as the meh weapons, after all why do you think we get 90% zekti mk3's but hardly get drops of the other houses, Lavan are just too weak dmg wise so yeah.. aim for Vidar weapons. Granted the reason we get so many zekti is because of outriders they always drop zekti weapon scrap, ive had Lavan parts drop from crewships but you only ever get a few crewship per mission so that kinda dumps on the lavan drops. Not sure wht drops Vidar reliably but most Vidar stuff ive gotten has been as end of mission rewards.

Vidar reactors are the best, with a hyperflux mod you dont really miss the flux, but you sure will miss the very large cap boosts.

[Keagian]

The only Zetki weapons you want is the Cryophons and Carcinnox with Vidar Carcinnox being another viable option if you don't have Zetki Polar Coil which is required for Zetki Weapons.

A Zetki MKIII Cryophon can 1-2 shot flyers but might struggle with the health regenning elites. Best used on a very tanky Railjack that can dog fight and has high speed. Not a good weapon as a side gun if the pilot likes to constantly enter drifting while in combat.

Zetki MKIII Carcinnox is able to melt a lot of flyers without much issue but requires you to be able to lead your targets correctly to get all your shots on them, not great against regenning elites but if all your shots land, you can burst them down the fastest. Burst fire this weapon instead of holding down the trigger. Gunner 7 is a must have to make this weapon bare-able to use.

Vidar MKIII Carninnox is able to output good damage and can help deal with regenning elites, however it also requires you to hit all your shots to deal comparable damage to a Zetki MKIII weapon.