why are the orokin derelict vaults still in the game

[Non-Lethal Gamer]

everything about this is tedious. the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ waypoint-less search in a massive, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ tileset that nobody plays on, the random key it requires meaning you have to equip every key and suffer the debuff (wont be an issue if not for hobbled, which makes you slug through the whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥ tileset)

i swear people only run it twice in their lifetime, the first to clear all nodes for arbitrations, the second for scanning kavats

EDIT: i know bullet jumping exists. its what i do and have always done when i run vaults. my problem with the vault runs arent because they are ineffective or not rewarding. its that they are unfun to the point where i never want to be on that tileset again despite my enjoyment of the visual design.

[Titan]

Those corrupted mods are pretty good though. But yeah, I think they could be reworked quite a bit. DE has a bit of a habit of creating a thing in warframe, putting it out in a bug-free state, and not looking at it again for another five to ten years or until the complaints bubble over. I'll be honest, I do like railjack but I will NOT be surprised if there isn't a major content update for it until I'm 35, and these vaults only push that suspicion further.

[Pakaku]

Derelicts are party-only, last I checked, so that's probably why they always seem deserted to you

[💫𝓗yp𝟹rspac𝟹💫]

Originally posted by Russian Genocide:

i swear people only run it twice in their lifetime, the first to clear all nodes for arbitrations, the second for scanning kavats

Actually, people do vault runs often to skip buying corrupted mods on trade chat, or just to sell them to those who get tired of the grind or are in a hurry for an specific corrupted mod. The kavat scanning is not a 1 time thing, as you need quite some DNA's to make just 1 kavat, and some players are "professional breeders" who make plat out of good imprints. lets add the fact that kavat scannings are unrelated to vault runs except for the fact that it's at the same area of the game and makes your time running vaults more useful... if you really need the scans.

The corrupted mods for frames are all required for proper modding, and you will find the need for more than 1 copy of each to rank to different levels in order to manipulate effectively your frame builds (a must to manipulate efficiency percent).

The rest of your complain reduces to get better at playing Warframe, as you cannot just put a mission w nothing else but a simple objective and ez pz circumstances. It's a VG and so you need those situations you described, including the key debuffs in this case. In the end, vault runs are easy enough for relatively new players in group and not so new to solo them. Inaros properly modded cheese it to solo w all 4 keys. For movement, just bullet jump and slide all along, don't bother to run/walk.

[Non-Lethal Gamer]

Originally posted by Titan:

Those corrupted mods are pretty good though. But yeah, I think they could be reworked quite a bit. DE has a bit of a habit of creating a thing in warframe, putting it out in a bug-free state, and not looking at it again for another five to ten years or until the complaints bubble over. I'll be honest, I do like railjack but I will NOT be surprised if there isn't a major content update for it until I'm 35, and these vaults only push that suspicion further.

i agree those mods are well worth it but at the same time there are reasons why people farm plat and buy it instead

[Non-Lethal Gamer]

Inaros properly modded cheese it to solo w all 4 keys. For movement, just bullet jump and slide all along, don't bother to run/walk. [/quote]


i can run it fine and easy with wukong. the problem is that its tedious and the most unfun thing i have ever had to deal with.

[Non-Lethal Gamer]

Originally posted by TheSkunkyMonk:

Originally posted by Pakaku:

Derelicts are party-only, last I checked, so that's probably why they always seem deserted to you

A few missions do that and it really sucks! Wish they just do matchmaking on em all sure its to tempted us into buying our mutagen samples from the market with the derelicts, same for Trinity on the ambulus fight. Why on earth they removed her parts from sortie missions as well :( Just mean DE!

I play multiplayer games to play with people not by myself, but meh they got to reclaim plat... Could be nicer about there methods though.

i guess people dont need to anymore since getting prime warframes now are actually easier than farming the normal variants.

[Non-Lethal Gamer]

Originally posted by Pakaku:

Derelicts are party-only, last I checked, so that's probably why they always seem deserted to you

wait so its intended?
the design for these nodes are even worse than i thought

[BeastofBones]

Originally posted by TheSkunkyMonk:

Like I said pretty certain the design was done that way to try and get us to purchase mutagen mass/samples.

That's a pretty massive leap in logic you made there. The reason derelicts only allow premade parties is originally each player could only carry one dragon key. Since you need one key of each type to guarantee being able to open the vault, it'd be sad times if you ended up with say 3 rhinos all with a bleeding key. Being able to carry all 4 keys on one frame was a concession made to solo players a few years ago.

At any rate, your argument makes little sense. Mutagen masses are primarily obtained from invasions, not derelict runs. Mutagen samples are primarily for infested lab research, if you joined a pre-existing clan, odds are most of the research is already done, and you won't need many mutagen samples at all. If you are running a solo ghost clan, the only real offender is Hema research, everything else is likely covered by the samples you'll get from farming out Octavia's part in ODS.

[Non-Lethal Gamer]

Originally posted by NITRO:

Originally posted by WraithCo:

That's a pretty massive leap in logic you made there. The reason derelicts only allow premade parties is originally each player could only carry one dragon key. Since you need one key of each type to guarantee being able to open the vault, it'd be sad times if you ended up with say 3 rhinos all with a bleeding key. Being able to carry all 4 keys on one frame was a concession made to solo players a few years ago.

This. It was basically one of the few things that encouraged a cohesive party in Warframe (more like forced) other than Raids. The ability to equip all 4 dragon keys are a very recent thing and the debuffs are basically irrelevant with operator mode or warframes like wisp or titania or rhino or anything else

but have you tried forming a grp for derelict in 2020 though

[Azure Fang]

Originally posted by Russian Genocide:

Originally posted by NITRO:

This. It was basically one of the few things that encouraged a cohesive party in Warframe (more like forced) other than Raids. The ability to equip all 4 dragon keys are a very recent thing and the debuffs are basically irrelevant with operator mode or warframes like wisp or titania or rhino or anything else

but have you tried forming a grp for derelict in 2020 though

I have, and have no problem with it. "H> Vault runs 1/4" takes all of 5 seconds to type and squad fills up within a couple minutes max, less during a Nightwave week with the vaults task. Group runs of ODC are still extremely popular for speedrunning vaults. As to ODD and ODS, both fill quick as well considering warframe parts on rot, mutagen sample farming, and more. You just have to put out the (negligible) effort to interact with other players and either form a group or look for one recruiting; derelict has never been matchmaking-enabled.

[Mrvecz]

Whenever i force myself to get some corrupted mods i get all 4 keys, get Zephyr and just fly through the level. Its the fastest way to get over it.

[GunsForBucks]

FYI You can bullet jump.. that is unaffected by Hobbled

I don't mind taking time to search a map as long as I know a reward is there. It makes finding them that much sweeter.

Railjack is like sticking your face in a meat grinder for no feeling of reward at all... just a feeling of wasted time.

[Shazbot!]

Originally posted by Russian Genocide:

Inaros.

Originally posted by Russian Genocide:

everything about this is tedious

Gee, why i'm not surprised.

[Ryu the Fox]

I don't know how many vaults I opened and still didn't get Overextended.

[8faiNt ı♣ı]

Originally posted by Shazbot!:

Originally posted by Russian Genocide:

Inaros.

Originally posted by Russian Genocide:

everything about this is tedious

Gee, why i'm not surprised.

Are you mad that people are playing frames that you dont like?
Haha