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Tony 2018年9月25日 0時18分
Orokin Reactor is a game changer
Correct me if I am wrong, Orokin Catalysts are exceedingly rare, right?

I was planning to put money on slots for Warframes, but not something that gives you big (twice!!) the advantage than those who don't pay. Makes this game pay to win in my view.

People should talk about this more, would probably have not gotten into this if I had known before.

If this is indeed the case, I will most likely leave this game.
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To the OP, orokin catalysts/reactors are not that rare actually, they frequently appear as alert mission rewards weekly or every fortnight or so, plus you can get them for 20 platinum which is very easy to obtain ingame via selling prime parts, rare mods etc.

Yes, they double the mod capacity of your warframe/weapons BUT if you are a new player, this won't affect you in any meaningful way at all. The reason being you probably don't have the mods to really capitalize on the increased capacity, as most of the rare mods are only obtainable later on (assuming you are not buying them). By the time you reach that stage, you probably already have a couple or reactor/catalyst from weekly alerts or from selling prime parts.

Also, this is definitely not pay-to-win. Pay-to-win is when you can buy power with real money ONLY, meaning if you don't pay up you are automatically at a disadvantage.

Afterall, its a free game. You like it, buy some plat to support the devs. Don't like it, just don't play it, thats all. You have nothing to lose.
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Saint 2018年9月25日 4時26分 
Bait.
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Malidictus 2018年9月25日 4時32分 
A few points to consider:

Firstly, Orokin Reactors/Catalysts are a very obvious albeit "soft" paywall. While they might not be difficult to obtain from the perspective of a long-term, high-level player who's already sitting on stockpiles of everything, they're largely unattainable for new players just starting out - the kind of folks who's have the most to gain from spending money. In the entire time I've played (370 hours on record) I've seen maybe two of each in alerts, one set of which I'm pretty sure was in resopnse to a stream. So while, yes - there are ways to obtain Catalysts/Reactors for free, it's pretty clear people are intended to buy them.

Secondly, there's no such thing as a "free" game. No game is "free to play," some are just "free to me." Someone's still footing the bill, and all F2P games are designed to both cater to paying customers and recruit free customers into paying ways. "Turning players into payers," as it were. And that's fine - it's the cost of doing business. However, it also means that no F2P game - no matter the marketing - is ever designed to offer a full, unimpeded experience to free players. There are always going to be paywalls and psychological warfare waged on players. Good F2P business models tend to limit that to "intangibles" like cosmetics, vanity and prestige items, convenience and so on.

Finally, yes - Orokin Catalysts/Reactors are pretty cheap. As are Forma and Exilus Adapters, actually. That's about all you can ask from a F2P title, honestly - an honest transaction. You know what you're paying for and you're being offered a pretty good deal for your money on it. For the most part, Warframe offers you good deals for the items it flatout expects you to buy, which fits my definition of an honest transaction. I'd rather the developers hadn't put in this kind of paywall because it's going to turn new players off, but at least they had the decency to not overcharge for it.
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Sceles 2018年9月25日 4時35分 
1. They're not rare if you use an app or a website that notifies you when there's one available.
2. Each frame / weapon needs only one.
3. You don't need to put them on everything, focus on things you use first.
4. They're super cheap to buy. Even a new player can easily earn 1p / minute by farming and selling prime trash and this is one of the worst possible ways to earn platinum. So getting one catalyst/reactor takes about 20mins at most.
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Carlosxbbc 2018年9月25日 4時43分 
This game isn't p2w AT ALL, first, from the very beginning you're able to do relics, and you can sell prime parts for pl, it only costs 20 pl to buy an orokin reactor, simple, also, this is a FREE game, if you like it, at least support it, not saying that you have to put 200 bucks in it, at least buy pl with the -75% discount, hell you could even pay the same quantity you pay for a AAA game (around 60) and you'll have enough platinum for everything, unless you waste it in rivens and things that don't really matter
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Morty2989 2018年9月25日 5時11分 
Just be thankful they decided in closed beta to not lock a frame's fourth ability behind a reactor slot after all. It didn't last long but still.
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Malidictus 2018年9月25日 5時21分 
Mortified_Penguin の投稿を引用：
Just be thankful they decided in closed beta to not lock a frame's fourth ability behind a reactor slot after all. It didn't last long but still.

And apparently got rid of the "daily revive cap, then pay money for revives" idea, as I was told elsewhere. It could be a LOT worse :)
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GhostFigure 2018年9月25日 5時45分 
They are called Potato for a reason.

Potent
Orokin
Technical
Augmentation
Tactical
Offensive
or
Potent
Orokin
Technical
Augmentation
Tactical
Offensive
Enhancement
System
#22
TreyUwU 2018年9月25日 5時47分 
Mods should lock these treads, they're clearly baits
#23
Ranzuko 2018年9月25日 5時54分 
Either bait or someone who doesn't realize you can use sites/apps to get alerts for them.
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Tigerlight 2018年9月25日 6時35分 
Tony の投稿を引用：
Correct me if I am wrong, Orokin Catalysts are exceedingly rare, right?

I was planning to put money on slots for Warframes, but not something that gives you big (twice!!) the advantage than those who don't pay. Makes this game pay to win in my view.

People should talk about this more, would probably have not gotten into this if I had known before.

If this is indeed the case, I will most likely leave this game.
1) Win what?
2) IF DE disallowed trade in-game for Platinum, and the ONLY way to acquire these was real cashy-money, you'd have a point.
3) They're not even priced ridiculously. Even a casual trader can acquire the 20P in VERY short order.

So...no. Believe it or not, people HAVE thought this before you.

If you don't know how to make Platinum through trading, there are literally HUNDREDS of guides.
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Hursti 2018年9月25日 6時38分 
on the sidenote, how do you WIN in warframe/any co op game anyway? is winning having all the weapons and frames? all them potatoed? in a game that's pretty much 100% about THE GRIND, if you pass the grind by paying real money, how's that winning? you won the grind? i seriously dont understand. to me that translates same as paying money to "complete" a game without even playing it.
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a-mrys 2018年9月25日 6時39分 
Whoa... の投稿を引用：
They are called Potato for a reason.

Potent
Orokin
Technical
Augmentation
Tactical
Offensive
or
Potent
Orokin
Technical
Augmentation
Tactical
Offensive
Enhancement
System
Whoa....
#27
فاطمة 2018年9月25日 6時53分 
Trolls trying to flame warframe with a bunch of lies and bait again. should start banning these people from steams forums.
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Player Zer01 2018年9月25日 6時59分 
you do realize that you get one every weekend right? also they are very cheap in the cash shop.your statements are beyond wrong.
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Tigerlight 2018年9月25日 7時02分 
مغرية لهب の投稿を引用：
Trolls trying to flame warframe with a bunch of lies and bait again. should start banning these people from steams forums.
Well, there's that in some cases. In others...I can see some people coming into the game and thinking "this is too good to be true", or misunderstanding the mechanics because they are new and don't know how the system works.

Warframe has arguably THE fairest F2P system and economy out there, and I can certainly understand an element of skepticism from new intake.

My problem is with those who judge anything right out of the gate. But F2P has a bad rep for a reason, and I can understand why some might jump to conclusions.
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