is it worth it to farm void trace without relics

[ben]

exterminate speed runs

[MystMan]

This whole thread sure spiraled out of control quick.

Everybody: this is about the OP and the question asked. It was never about elitism or whatever.

OP's question:
is it worth it to farm void trace without relics?

Answer:
Trace-only farm + speed run = you do this solo because:

• longer loading times than solo. Much longer if joining a host player with a potato PC with bad internet followed by lag.
  
• you always have to wait for others at extraction
  
• sometimes you join a game in progress where everybody already has 8-10 reactant and now they have to wait for you (matchmaking still needs work)
  
• you end up torturing yourself seeing valuable, rare or even vaulted prime parts being passed around in front of you at the end without being to pick them. Why would you do that?

Nothing about the above list says "speed run". it's just much slower in every way. OP would have no benefit at all.

No1Eye の投稿を引用：

Creating a squad of your own is not a hard thing, nor it is a time consuming thing.

That is a blanket statement. It depends what one is looking for. For newly released content, you will find squads easily. There is a massive amount of people looking for it.
For old content or very unconventional specific missions, you will be waiting in recruit chat for a long time. I can see people easily finding groups for ducat fodder farming inside a tight lively clan within 2 minutes, but in pub recruit chat? naaaah.



Zefar: you shouldn't have used the word "annoying" in your first post (especailly if you didn't mean it). That was the trigger word.

[Zefar]

No1Eye の投稿を引用：

if some don't want to use te recruiting chat, then they can use their clans, their alliances, their friendlists, the discord servers they are in, or whatever other means they want/have.


since everybody knows that, why they still 'dictate'/'demand'/'expect' for players to go in solo or to bring a relic to a public squad, nonetheless.
why don't you go solo or go make your own squad?
why you go in public and you expect things to go your desired way?
i don't mean you in particular, the 'you' is plural, i mean those people who 'dictate' from other players to be bringing a relic to fissures or whatever.
public is public, people will bring what they like in there, so everyone should be expecting it all in public.
this is what is the freedom of choice and freedom of gameplay.
if they want a particular choice and gameplay, i assume they have the means and the intelligence to create a squad of their own and go in and have their run according to their exact wishes/desires/likes.

Why bother asking the same questions again and again when I've already answered them? Do you read what I have written?
Because so far it doesn't look like it.

[ImCalledBethy/Sparklefarts5]

Who tho の投稿を引用：

exterminate speed runs

Void traces are only used to improve the drop rate of items from said relic. You're perfectly fine running VT alerts, but you're gimping your group out of a prize in a relic run.

[No1Eye]

MystMan の投稿を引用：

No1Eye の投稿を引用：

Creating a squad of your own is not a hard thing, nor it is a time consuming thing.

That is a blanket statement. It depends what one is looking for. For newly released content, you will find squads easily. There is a massive amount of people looking for it.
For old content or very unconventional specific missions, you will be waiting in recruit chat for a long time. I can see people easily finding groups for ducat fodder farming inside a tight lively clan within 2 minutes, but in pub recruit chat? naaaah.

of course for the newest things released you will create a squad faster.
this is logical.
but, that does not mean you cannot create a squad fast enough, in general and for whatever you want to run, coz not everyone is finished with all content, not everyone is in the same progress as everyone else.
also, nowadays with all those clans, alliances, discord servers, friendlists and so on, people are very much able to find or create squads to run any content they want very fast.
it might take them 2-3 minutes longer in some cases though, and i do not see any problem on that one.
if they just post in the discord server of warframe, they will get instant replies on things.
same thing, if they post in their alliance chats, clan chats and so forth.
do not be thinking only of recruiting chat, there are other means to doing that as well.

[No1Eye]

Zefar の投稿を引用：

No1Eye の投稿を引用：

if some don't want to use te recruiting chat, then they can use their clans, their alliances, their friendlists, the discord servers they are in, or whatever other means they want/have.


since everybody knows that, why they still 'dictate'/'demand'/'expect' for players to go in solo or to bring a relic to a public squad, nonetheless.
why don't you go solo or go make your own squad?
why you go in public and you expect things to go your desired way?
i don't mean you in particular, the 'you' is plural, i mean those people who 'dictate' from other players to be bringing a relic to fissures or whatever.
public is public, people will bring what they like in there, so everyone should be expecting it all in public.
this is what is the freedom of choice and freedom of gameplay.
if they want a particular choice and gameplay, i assume they have the means and the intelligence to create a squad of their own and go in and have their run according to their exact wishes/desires/likes.

Why bother asking the same questions again and again when I've already answered them? Do you read what I have written?
Because so far it doesn't look like it.

ditto

[𓆚 standardheadache 𓆚]

Ever been to a potluck or pitch-in and didn't bring something? It's a bit like that.

Then again, I mostly run endless fissures, so people who don't bring relics hurt themselves more in the long run there because they don't get the resource boosters for their traces.

[Grey Star, The Rival Defender]

You’ll have literally more relics than you could ever use. Except maybe Axis.

[Omnipresent Oatmeal]

Grey Star, the Rival Defender の投稿を引用：

You’ll have literally more relics than you could ever use. Except maybe Axis.

I've always found myself short on Meso relics, but I'm usually drowning in Neo and Axi.

[𓆚 standardheadache 𓆚]

Omnipresent Oatmeal の投稿を引用：

Grey Star, the Rival Defender の投稿を引用：

You’ll have literally more relics than you could ever use. Except maybe Axis.

I've always found myself short on Meso relics, but I'm usually drowning in Neo and Axi.

Io on Jupiter has great A rotation chances for Meso!

[Omnipresent Oatmeal]

standardheadache の投稿を引用：

Omnipresent Oatmeal の投稿を引用：

I've always found myself short on Meso relics, but I'm usually drowning in Neo and Axi.

Io on Jupiter has great A rotation chances for Meso!

I'm aware of the drop tables, thank you very much.

I rarely find myself in the position to actually farm for them.

[SandScorpion]

It's worth it to take a relic just so you can pick a reward at the end.
If you don't have enough relics you can miss, it may be a better idea to farm a couple and use those.
It's much more worthwhile when you get prime parts at the end, since even the parts you don't need can be turned into ducats or platinum.

[BurlsoL]

Omnipresent Oatmeal の投稿を引用：

standardheadache の投稿を引用：

Io on Jupiter has great A rotation chances for Meso!

I'm aware of the drop tables, thank you very much.

I rarely find myself in the position to actually farm for them.

It combines well with Oxium farming (since they nerfed capture missions) as well as an easy way to raise crap weapons without gimping your squad. 10 rounds will give about 40-60k affinity to your weapon just from what other people kill. The Meso relics just make it even better.

[eris]

No1Eye の投稿を引用：

Zefar の投稿を引用：

Why bother asking the same questions again and again when I've already answered them? Do you read what I have written?
Because so far it doesn't look like it.

ditto

You're completely missing all of his points, you do not need to keep restating yourself.

Why should the vast majority of players need to use recruiting chat simply to run fissures if they want to use relics? It's the mission's intended use. If you are running them without relics all you are doing is filling a squad slot that could be filled by another person with a relic.

You gain nothing by doing fissures without a relic in a public game. It's been stated a couple times above. While it's not a crime to do so, and most of us are not saying so, it's significantly more beneficial to everyone if they just did these runs in solo matches.

So please do not reply with the same "if you want everyone to play the way you want use recruit chat!" Most of us are not demanding anyone play a certain way, we're simply suggesting a way that would make it significantly less inconvenient for everyone. Not to mention as I stated above that using relics is the intended use of these missions anyways.

[Meowser has not]

Anubis の投稿を引用：

You can, if you only have a few relics that you want to keep, go ahead.

As long as you don't meet D.A.R.K. in your mission, no-one will bother with you having no relic

The absolute madman

[No1Eye]

w. の投稿を引用：

No1Eye の投稿を引用：

ditto

You're completely missing all of his points, you do not need to keep restating yourself.

Why should the vast majority of players need to use recruiting chat simply to run fissures if they want to use relics? It's the mission's intended use. If you are running them without relics all you are doing is filling a squad slot that could be filled by another person with a relic.

You gain nothing by doing fissures without a relic in a public game. It's been stated a couple times above. While it's not a crime to do so, and most of us are not saying so, it's significantly more beneficial to everyone if they just did these runs in solo matches.

So please do not reply with the same "if you want everyone to play the way you want use recruit chat!" Most of us are not demanding anyone play a certain way, we're simply suggesting a way that would make it significantly less inconvenient for everyone. Not to mention as I stated above that using relics is the intended use of these missions anyways.

lets just agree to disagree, coz it seems you guys are missing my and some other peoples' points as well.
thus we have this repetition on things/statements from both sides.
though, i would advice you to go through the posts made on this thread, again.
also, what you said to me, applies to you too.

i will now stop replying to this thread, since we have different approaches on the matter and there is no point continuing the discussion with you guys anyway.

so, keep doing it the way you want to, since this is what you want...and let others (like me) to keep doing it the way we want to as well, since this is what we want.
this way, everybody is happy.

have fun!