The new kuva missions: DE please don't lie to us about why kuva is a physical drop there

[WereChicken]

So apparently in the new endless kuva mission kuva will be a physical drop that you have to pick up, apparently this is so it will be affected by resource boosters and smeeta kavats......

Except Kuva already is affected by those things in the current missions when it's just rewarded to all players!

DE why not just come out and say it: you're doing this so squads can't easily have multiple kuva syphons going at once without it being a hassle to pick up all the kuva. I mean if you're going to lie to us at least try not to make it so incredibly blatant.

Also if this is so you can nerf the existing kuva syphons so they don't work with smeeta kavats or resource boosters then I cannot see that going well.

I mean this new mode is already looking disappointing considering they've ignored all requests to make the rewards scale and now this? This mode is looking like it will be dead on arrival.

edit: whoops had it as resource drop, not resource booster. Also am fully aware they decided not to go with this, but my point still stands about them being dishonest about the reasoning behind this.

[primobrainlet]

Foxtrot39 eredeti hozzászólása:

200 kuva per syphon is a joke until they pop as often as life support in suvival mission

I got 1200 in 10 minutes, much easier than kuva floods, and less irratating
I think its better than the other two personally

[Foxtrot39]

So its

1.Already live?

2.Indeed poping as often as life support

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Foxtrot39 eredeti hozzászólása:

So its

1.Already live?

2.Indeed poping as often as life support

Yes, already live, although there currently appears to be a bug where the Kuva gained in that mission is being treated as a completely separate resource from "normal" Kuva, making it completely unusable until that's fixed.

[Man_In_Suitcase]

Just netted 8800 kuva at a 35 min run wth booster which isn't bad going...Too bad I haven't got it. I should know by now not to go full into something bc you know bugframe and all -_-

[No_Quarter]

Man_In_Suitcase eredeti hozzászólása:

No_Quarter eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean it helps against afk farmers so I am down with it. People will mark the drop (I know I will) and it should not be a problem

I cannot wait for it, I love kuva fortress layout, and I need infinite kuva to feed all the rivens I have.
200 kuva, that means like 2 of those per 5 minutes, with resource boosters that's 800 which is as good as average kuva siphon missions... think kuva flood missions beat it but still you can make amazing setup for this and do more per 5 minutes.
if you nail 3 then it is pretty damn good farm imo

I love the kuva fortress too, and it's about time they was actually an incentive to play in it, cuz god only knows how effin' bored I am doing siphons. I know people are sceptical atm but with anything new that's always the case in this game like with zenurik 2.0, but I do agree that the amount of kuva we can gain should scale with the amount of time already allotted in survival.

What I'd like to see it is;

• 0-10 mins 200 kuva
  
• 10-20 mins 250 kuva
  
• 20-30 mins 300 kuva. Beyond it still scales by 50 kuva every 10 mins in survival to a
  maximum cap of 500.

Without kuva scaling people will just run 10 mins, rinse and repeat. Nobody wants to run deeper in a endless mission and get the same return, and they at least corrected that in endless fissures, so why not here? Back on OT though it's obvious DE wants it to drop like this bc it's acts as a anti AFK measure, and it's also way to soft cap how many we can have going at the same time later in.

yes, scaling is great idea OR adding kuva rewards in B and C rotations to compensate for it.
this way it is only worth to stay up to 20 minutes just to get that C rotation

[Dai]

Man_In_Suitcase eredeti hozzászólása:

No_Quarter eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean it helps against afk farmers so I am down with it. People will mark the drop (I know I will) and it should not be a problem

I cannot wait for it, I love kuva fortress layout, and I need infinite kuva to feed all the rivens I have.
200 kuva, that means like 2 of those per 5 minutes, with resource boosters that's 800 which is as good as average kuva siphon missions... think kuva flood missions beat it but still you can make amazing setup for this and do more per 5 minutes.
if you nail 3 then it is pretty damn good farm imo

I love the kuva fortress too, and it's about time they was actually an incentive to play in it, cuz god only knows how effin' bored I am doing siphons. I know people are sceptical atm but with anything new that's always the case in this game like with zenurik 2.0, but I do agree that the amount of kuva we can gain should scale with the amount of time already allotted in survival.

What I'd like to see it is;

• 0-10 mins 200 kuva
  
• 10-20 mins 250 kuva
  
• 20-30 mins 300 kuva. Beyond it still scales by 50 kuva every 10 mins in survival to a
  maximum cap of 500.

Without kuva scaling people will just run 10 mins, rinse and repeat. Nobody wants to run deeper in a endless mission and get the same return, and they at least corrected that in endless fissures, so why not here? Back on OT though it's obvious DE wants it to drop like this bc it's acts as a anti AFK measure, and it's also way to soft cap how many we can have going at the same time later in.

This along with adding the same booster system for fissures would make it worth it to stay longer.

[No_Quarter]

but guess this is initial stage, I hope stats show what we said here and that players need to be rewarded more for staying longer.

I have not yet played the mission but what they showed on stream seems like iea that cannot be abused with pleb setups for afk play

[AnonumusSoldier]

When you make a rant thread without all the facts and your rant thread is made pointless because its dead wrong

Derp

[WereChicken]

AnonumusSoldier eredeti hozzászólása:

When you make a rant thread without all the facts and your rant thread is made pointless because its dead wrong

Derp

Wasn't wrong at the time and maybe all the complaining had the desired effect.

Also the complaint was more about the dishonesty behind the reasoning for making it a physical drop.

[AnonumusSoldier]

WereChicken eredeti hozzászólása:

AnonumusSoldier eredeti hozzászólása:

When you make a rant thread without all the facts and your rant thread is made pointless because its dead wrong

Derp

Wasn't wrong at the time and maybe all the complaining had the desired effect.

Also the complaint was more about the dishonesty behind the reasoning for making it a physical drop.

Nothing is ever final in Warframe untill it's in the game, and even then it's up to change. Going full rant before it's even added is foolish.

Why DE most likely considered a physical drop
1)prevent afk leechers, which surprise surprise is happening.

2) since it's a different mechanic being added to an existing mission type, probably to make it easier to code and not break the game (which surprise, doing it the other way did)

3) DE was probably on the fence about removing the benefit of boosters from kuva siphons to push the popularity of the new method/draw a clear line to it's benefits, so they wanted to leave the door open to change.

[DeapNight]

So the mission is out now?

[AnonumusSoldier]

DeapNight eredeti hozzászólása:

So the mission is out now?

It's been out for like 12 hrs where u been? You can net 8k kuva with booster 1400 endo and 3 ish axi relics in 30 min with a good team

[WereChicken]

AnonumusSoldier eredeti hozzászólása:

WereChicken eredeti hozzászólása:

Wasn't wrong at the time and maybe all the complaining had the desired effect.

Also the complaint was more about the dishonesty behind the reasoning for making it a physical drop.

Nothing is ever final in Warframe untill it's in the game, and even then it's up to change. Going full rant before it's even added is foolish.

Why DE most likely considered a physical drop
1)prevent afk leechers, which surprise surprise is happening.

2) since it's a different mechanic being added to an existing mission type, probably to make it easier to code and not break the game (which surprise, doing it the other way did)

3) DE was probably on the fence about removing the benefit of boosters from kuva siphons to push the popularity of the new method/draw a clear line to it's benefits, so they wanted to leave the door open to change.

Youtubers and other have been pointing out that that was already in effect for regular kuva missions and complaining about it

If people like you had their way we'd be stuck with every bad decision DE made (remember vivergate? Or the vacuum within?)

1) then, as I pointed out earlier, they should have just come out and said that rather than say something which is clearly a lie.

2) except that once you've done something once it tends to be easier to do again

3) they've said it's a halfway point between syphin and flood, so why would they then go and place this much higher/lower priority than the other two?

I must commend your desire to pick a fight with me is so strong that you're going to the length of defending something DE has already decided wasn't a good idea and changed before release (which is the best move) although congratulations on not using the specious slippery slope argument again. I expected you to say something allong the lines of today we want the kuva rewards given to us directly, tomorrow we'll want to get ALL the kuva given to us and expect DE to hire someone to farm it for us.

As that's been the level of your previous arguments, so congrats on improving your debating skills.

[DeapNight]

AnonumusSoldier eredeti hozzászólása:

DeapNight eredeti hozzászólása:

So the mission is out now?

It's been out for like 12 hrs where u been? You can net 8k kuva with booster 1400 endo and 3 ish axi relics in 30 min with a good team

Im on vacations since saturday so yeha

[Biddion]

There is a difference between a resource booster and a resource drop booster. For the older system, a resource drop booster will not increase kuva.