Community commemoration: DE's tribute to TotalBiscuit

[Psychedelic Adventurer]

Hi guys.

First off it's been truly heartwarming to see you all coming together to pay tribute to John Bain - AKA TotalBiscuit, who in no small part contributed to the success Warframe is now. Larunda Relay has been packed all day with Tenno wishing to pay thier respects.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1394313381
Now in turn, I thought it might be a good idea to discuss what sort of commeration people would like to see added into Warframe.

Here are a few ideas:

The ability to buy a Badge/decal/sigil to donate towards cancer research, or even just a symbol of solidarity.

When we rebuild one of the relays, it being call 'Bain Relay'. (Not my idea, but I like the concept).

A memorial hall in the relays, similar to the founders list, where players can pay their respects.

Just a few ideas, be sure to give some ideas down below. Be sure to keep TB's wife and step-son in your hearts. If there is a god, I hope TB is roasting him about them low-res heaven textures.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1394042185

[No_Quarter]

Originally posted by Psychedelic Adventurer:

Another (additional) idea that's just been given to me. The blizzard method when people want to commerate something is to build some sort of memomorial, or name an NPC after them. I'm cool with both.

well Venus is comming up so they may find a way to make it, give him a store and some special goodies..

[On Vacation]

Hmmm....this thread took an unexpected turn.

So I guess the first one that should be addressed is the idea that TB's initial video on Warframe had no impact or a minimal one. People tend to forget that DE was in the process of laying people off before Warframe even launched. They couldn't get any investors nor any publicity from game's journalist. It was literally Youtubers and word of mouth that advertised the game. Ford makes it quite clear that there is a "before" and an "after" TB's video for Warframe. That's not lip service, many studio's have published something similar that they see large spikes in sales etc after a video. To be fair his second video likely had much less of an impact, but that initial one was huge for a studio teetering on the edge. Plenty of great games have failed, simply because they were never covered.

In concerns to it's not fair to make some kind of memorial or enshrine him in game, cause there are other Youtubers, streamers and players who will die in the future, how is this any different than life in general? There are people who are remembered, that have statue's built of them etc, while there are others equally as deserving if not more, who are largely forgotten. There are many things they could do as a gesture of 'thanks' and appreciation for not only what he did for Warframe, but the game's industry as a whole. They don't have to be as large as a relay. They could be something as small as display art or a glyph etc. Or as already suggested something sold with proceeds going to colon cancer research.

[Psychedelic Adventurer]

Originally posted by On Vacation:

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

[[F8L] Mycrus]

Charity drive for cancer is okay... anything else is iffy

[فاطمة]

A charity drive for cancer research and treatment funds, and naming Clem's mini roller shoulder buddy "John", Clem and John, fighting evil in the galaxy. I bet that woulda made him laugh.

[GunsForBucks]

Nothing

Let the man rest in peace

All this seems to me is people trying to ride his corpse

[Franss the Coffee Addict]

What if John Prodman is secretly John Bain?

[Miro Laaksonen]

Originally posted by Sceles:

TB had almost nothing to do with Warframe, he might've done a video about it a couple of times but that's all. Are we going to have some sort of tribute for every dead streamer/youtuber now? What about all the smaller streamers who will never get a tribute? What about people who've spent thousands of hours on Warframe, people who are not streamers or youtubers? All of these people are humans too and cancer is not exactly an uncommon issue. Even now I'm sure there are plenty of Warframe players who are fighting against cancer, people way more dedicated to the game than TB.

Don't get me wrong, I am sad to see him go. This just seems like a horrible idea. I do think that raising cancer awareness is good though, this is just not the time to do it. I don't think TB would've appreciated it if we made a big deal out of his death specifically when so many are suffering from the same disease.

TB did a lot to pave the way for the newer streamers and was a highly influential for such gaming community as a whole, even if there are people who did not like him due to silly controversies. Him passing away clearly impacted the staff of Warframe in a real way too, if you happened to see the beginning of the cancelled Prime Time stream this week. They clearly cared about him and ultimately that's what matters. I think TB is absolutely someone who deserves such a tribute if the staff of Warframe feels like it is something they want to do (which seems likely).
If you are someone who does not care about the guy, you just don't have to participate in it.

[GunsForBucks]

I was asked once how I would feel if a game made a hat in my honor... I said in one sense I would be honored but in another it would make me feel lame.. like that was all my life was about. If the dev wanted to show appreciation they could just send me cash.

Then I played Rainbow 6 seige and saw the tribute to BostonBearJew and thought ... wow is that ever lame... I would be so embarrassed by that.

I can't speak for this guy, I know nothing about him... but don't think whatever you decide to do is for "him".

[KIREEK]

No memorial, otherwise this would extend to many other "players" and would turn the relays into a graveyard, alot of arguing if a player deserved to be in the memorial would also happen in the future.

[Konachibi]

I mean, it's a nice idea, however there's one thing that would forever bug me about it.

The day David Bowie died, DE put an alert mission out called Spiders From Mars. It was a nice touch, but that's all we got. The community did nothing to remember his passing despite the fact that he was an inspiration to the entire world with some of the most memorable and influential music of the 20th and 21st century. Practically everyone knows tunes like Let's Dance, Space Oddity or Heroes, and I've never met a person who doesn't immediately react when hearing the bass guitar to Under Pressure.

If we're going to start honouring the memories of celebrities and people of influence within Warframe, it's opening a whole can of worms for each time a celebrity, musician, critic, or anyone with some popularity passes away. I'd have much rather there have been something more substantial towards David Bowie's death because of the things he did throughout his life, reshaping music throughout the 70's, constantly re-inventing sounds throughout the 80's and 90's, creating game soundtracks for games like The Nomad Soul (as well as starring in them!) and even in the 2000's and 2010's he was releasing hit albums along with starring in T.V shows and movies, there was also the people he made music with, like Marc Bolan, Brian Molko, Freddy Mercury and Trent Reznor, constantly showing his ability to keep changing with the times so he never sounded old or out-dated. Heck, his last album Blackstar, that out come 2 days before his death, was such a critical success it out-sold every popular singers/groups of the modern age, which is amazing for someone 69 years old and dieing of liver cancer! That's before even mentioning that he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II, he was a knight of the realm!

I don't want to sound inconsiderate, but when looked at in comparison, David Bowie did more for the world than TotalBiscuit did, so if all David Bowie gets is a single mission alert, then the most TotalBiscuit should get is the same. That's not to say the community shouldn't do something out of respect for him, but DE shouldn't really go out of their way to put something permanent in to the game without considering that they did nothing of the sort for much beloved people of the past, like Heath Ledger, Robin Williams, Roger Moore, Gene Wilder, George Michael, Carrie Fisher and the many other celebrities that have sadly been lost to us since Warframe was created.

[Vulbjorn]

I think a sarcastic NPC with a mechanical monocle, sitting near some sort of scanning device would be nice.

[Spooky]

+1

[Franss the Coffee Addict]

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

I think a sarcastic NPC with a mechanical monocle, sitting near some sort of scanning device would be nice.

Also the NPC needs to talk to himself constantly how he wants to bring all races together, excluding grineer and later starve 'em to death.

Or basically what happens here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNuDlpOrU8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ_NdBZsmqY&t=22s

[Psychedelic Adventurer]

Originally posted by Konachibi:

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Except David Bowie had nothing to do with Gaming. Outside of the medium, the whole world wept, so I can't really relate the two.

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

I think a sarcastic NPC with a mechanical monocle, sitting near some sort of scanning device would be nice.

I concur, no one likes Darvo anyway.