Who at DE thought of vauban prime?

[Snow]

Im not even talking about the atrocious use of Nitain on him.

Just a little heads up. This is 95% rant.

Total resource costs is as follows:

20 Nitain Extract
16,000 Salvage
2 Argon Crystals
8,000 Rubedo
31,000 Alloy Plate
7,000 Oxium
5,000 Circuits
9,000 Cryotic
70,000 Credits
1 Orokin Cell

What. Is. This.

20 Nitain.
31k alloy,
7k Oxium
9k cryotic

Thats a good week or so of farming. Not even to mention the nitain that might take you two.

That is SO MUCH MORE than any other frame I can name. If this trend is kept we can be looking at 150k alloy plate for a frame by the end of the year.

To top that off, getting the normal version is just as much RNG, and 2 of his 4 abilitys are either living hell to use, or completely useless.

Most of his abilitys contradict each other for mod upgrades example: Bastile requires all power, while Vortex requires range and duration. Two of his grenades are nothing more than sparklers.

At this point Nidus just feels like a less-hell-to-get, and stronger version of Vauban.


Next person to tell me Nitain can be farmed is lying through their teeth. I highly doubt that 0.2% is deemed farmable.


DE, next time you decide to make a prime *stupid* hard to get, atleast rework him once in a bluemoon.

/rant

[WereChicken]

Originally posted by FALLENV3GAS:

Originally posted by RG_Predator:

Hardly anyone here actually disputes that.

...but Vauban Prime has all rare parts, meaning he is the hardest to farm. To some that's far more of a cost then resources.

If you don't have the resources, you can't build him. However if you don't have the parts, doesn't matter about resources, you can't do anything.

To argue that the cost of Vauban Prme is high has about weight as arguing the point of resources and time to get max mastery rank.

I'd say the problem is both, the rarity of the parts overall means it's much harder more new players to acquire randomly as even when people do take vaulted relics to public matches (I often do if they don't have anything with a very good sale value) AND the high resources mean no one wants to bother anyway.

lower the part rarity would give people a much better chance of getting it, especially when it's unvaulted (here's hoping the parts still aren't all rare then) and lowering the resource cost to be more in line with the other primes would push up it's sale value, benefiting those who have him and might have some spare parts lying around.

Vauban prime just ain't worth the rarity of parts or the resource cost when you compare it to nearly every other frame.

[Snow]

Originally posted by WereChicken:

Originally posted by BoarWarrior:

That cryotic is only 4-7 low level excavation missions, maybe 2-3 hours I guess. Whats so bad about that? Try farming tellurium for Valkyr and Nekros prime, 3 for each and you get what, one in 2 hours?

I doubt anyone is arguing the cryotic cost is too high..... At least anyone trying to make a valid point

The games cryotic is kinda wonky.

You want Cryotic? You go to earth. You dont go to Hieracon to get cryotic, because cryotic on every single excavation node is earned at the same rate.

My issue with vauban is his cost and part rarity aren't at all on par with his performance.

People hardcore grind for Equinox, Nidus, etc etc. Why? Because those are major frames that are useful in the longrun. Vauban is just a nice pile of dissapointment sitting behind a 14+ day timewall.

Not to mention that all oh his componets are a 10% chance to get with the corresponding radiant relic.


I just wish Vauban got a rework instead of Saryn getting another one *cough cough* and cryotic earned increased as the starchart progressed. I just feel like that might in some way justify doing higher level nodes.

[P13]

Aside from being 2k oxium and the 2 argon crystals short, I have literally every single other material there in excess

[🜃Retro🜁]

I feel this struggle so much. He is the only Prime I do not have built currently due to both myself being a ding dong and ignoring Nitain for as long as I did and the fact that collecting his parts up to the build process was a grind in itself.

Tbh at this point I just want to fasion frame him, get his Affinity and put him in a box due to being so salty over it.

As others have pointed out, it IS kinda my own fault despite his matts cost... but damn it still leaves a sour taste in my mouth considering what it takes to even collect the parts short of farming other easier parts to trade and just buying him out right lol.

[Warthain]

Originally posted by RG_Predator:

According to the wiki you can have almost a 100 percent chance to get all the parts of Equinox in 160 runs plus or minus 40 runs. I've had Equinox for a while and just a couple days ago helped farm for the parts. We got lucky and had all the parts in 12 runs. On the flip side, farming for Gara exceeded my tollerance to the point where I bought her.

see, you aren't patient, the biggest grind i had was khora, i had 7 or 8 systems drop and no Blueprint, one day it just magically dropped....

vauban isnt hard to farm, nitain will just pop in alerts, oxium is easy enough to farm, do some defence missions or interception with corpus youll get a good ammount of it, rinse and repeat until you got those 7000 needed... there are more frames to farm for you know other than vauban and while working for those, oxium will drop and accumulate, same for nitain it will just appear randomly through out the day , its a waiting game for vauban, but eventually youll have all the resources and you wont even notice it... besides you will be disappointed when you get him, hes nearly useless right now, with every other frame filling his role better than him nowadays, gara and khora can do everything he does but just plain better....

his black hole doesnt pull enemies properly and deals no damage whatsoever, his mines are just useless or nearly useless and bastille has seen better days... this used to be the frame to go to for Area CC nowdays its just irrelevant and a wasted slot in your team...

[Eater of Ecto]

If you play casually you will suddenly find yourself with 10k Oxium and whatnot.

The thing with Nitain isn't the quantity; it's that it requires it at all. After what feels like doing 500 alerts just for Nitain the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ method for aquiring it makes my eye twitch when I see the alert up.

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by Warthain:

Originally posted by RG_Predator:

According to the wiki you can have almost a 100 percent chance to get all the parts of Equinox in 160 runs plus or minus 40 runs. I've had Equinox for a while and just a couple days ago helped farm for the parts. We got lucky and had all the parts in 12 runs. On the flip side, farming for Gara exceeded my tollerance to the point where I bought her.

see, you aren't patient, the biggest grind i had was khora, i had 7 or 8 systems drop and no Blueprint, one day it just magically dropped....

vauban isnt hard to farm, ...

As I said before, patience, or lack therof, has absolutely nothing to do with disproportionate cost requirements. The OP made a valid point about the cost of the build materials. Patiencee is not a factor in that. I neither agree, nor disagree on whether it's fair or not. I conceed that the OP has a valid point that the cost is out of proportion, not for abilities, but when compared to the cost of other frames. My patience level is irrelevant due to the fact that I own all the frames. I say that not to brag, but to give perspective that patience is a moot point.

[Snow]

To expand on what RG_Predator said.



Vauban Prime was released on May 17th, 2016.

His costs are:

70k Credits.
20 Nitain Extract.
16k Salvage.
8k Rubedo.
7k Oxium.
31k Alloy Plate.
1 Orokin Cell.
9k Cryotic.
and 5k Circuits.

Not to mention all of his componets are Rare (10% chance with a radiant) drops.

Lets look at the previous prime frame in the timeline. Saryn Prime.

Saryn Prime was released February 16th, 2016. Three months and a day before Vauban Prime.

Her costs are as follows:

70k Credits.
1.5k Alloy Plate.
2 Neural Sensors.
3.5k Salvage.
1.95k Rubedo.
4k Nano Spores.
6 Nitain Extract.
1 Orokin Cell.
500 Electronics.
4k Ferrite.



So, to compare the two.

Vauban prime requires:
20.66 times as much Alloy Plate.
3.33 times as much Nitain Extract.
Roughly 4x as much Rubedo.
4.57 times as much Salvage.
10 times as many Circuits.
Saryn Prime needed 2 orokin cells, opposed to Vauban Prime's one.
Vauban requires 9k cryotic, Saryn required.... none.
Saryn required Nano Spores while Vauban didn't but its a pointless amount. Only 4k.
Saryn also needed Ferrite, but again it was a negligable amount. Only 4k.
Vauban needs 7k oxium.. Saryn once again.. needed none.

Vauban Prime needed 4 rare drops.
Saryn Prime needed 1 rare, 2 uncommon, and 1 common.

This is what im talking about.
Within the span of 3 months the price between frames SKYROCKETED.


Moan all you want about "perspective of costs", but you can't argue with this.

[aGothLizard]

I imagine after Ash prime, they didn't want the prove variant to overshadow the regular one. For the longest time Ash prime was considered much easier to get than the base frame.

As far as costs and rarity, not all primes are equal, there was bound to be one more rare than any other.

Whether or not you like this is something different altogether, I personally was glad to see something that required a bit of effort. Most everything else felt easy to get to me.

[☆SaruもLEX☆]

I feel like vauban isn't worth the amount of resources compared to other frames. But, unless you're a brand new player the only thing that might be tricky is getting all the cryotic and nitain in a week. Other than that most of this can be farmed in a couple days, not even that for some of those resources.

[Indal]

Originally posted by DiaRegulus:

Im not even talking about the atrocious use of Nitain on him.

Just a little heads up. This is 95% rant.

Total resource costs is as follows:

20 Nitain Extract
16,000 Salvage
2 Argon Crystals
8,000 Rubedo
31,000 Alloy Plate
7,000 Oxium
5,000 Circuits
9,000 Cryotic
70,000 Credits
1 Orokin Cell

What. Is. This.

20 Nitain.
31k alloy,
7k Oxium
9k cryotic

Thats a good week or so of farming. Not even to mention the nitain that might take you two.

That is SO MUCH MORE than any other frame I can name. If this trend is kept we can be looking at 150k alloy plate for a frame by the end of the year.

To top that off, getting the normal version is just as much RNG, and 2 of his 4 abilitys are either living hell to use, or completely useless.

Most of his abilitys contradict each other for mod upgrades example: Bastile requires all power, while Vortex requires range and duration. Two of his grenades are nothing more than sparklers.

At this point Nidus just feels like a less-hell-to-get, and stronger version of Vauban.


Next person to tell me Nitain can be farmed is lying through their teeth. I highly doubt that 0.2% is deemed farmable.


DE, next time you decide to make a prime *stupid* hard to get, atleast rework him once in a bluemoon.

/rant

You better start farming then.
With a full ivara team prowling all the oxium ospreys can net you around 3-4k oxium in 30-40 mins (unboosted). Far better than farming with nekros

Nitains come naturally by playing.

Cryotic is tedious tho.

All the rest are easy with nekros-hydroid combo