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So regular valkyr is modified and yet primed is pretty much the same, no variations to see what a pre tortured/modified valkyr was.
Youd expect the prime version to have some variations. Maybe even 1-2 abilities being slightly different. The screams during ability use aswell should be vastly different.
http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Valkyr_Gersemi_Skin
The Valkyr Gersemi Skin is a Deluxe Skin for Valkyr that visually restores Valkyr to her original appearance prior to the Zanuka Project
Again, an indroduction after valkyr prime that shows what the original valkyr should look like, yet the Prime version looks more like a post-zanuka project valkyr then the pre-zanuka valkyr.
Lore is the book, the game is the hollywood movie based on the book.
Why would nidus be any different, whether he fits lore or not, hell be primed.
Gameplay > lore. Both of which are constantly changing.
Original Valkyr Prime is fueled by pain and rage, and what's worse it's part of her design. It's what drives her to have animal-like ferocity in combat, and to even give herself over to a void-powered bestial frenzy in the form of the Hysteria ability.
When Tenno attempted to re-create Valkyr, they couldn't (or possibly wouldn't) recreate the torture and pain necessary to accurately re-create Valkyr Prime. Instead, they gave her a shell of armor that allowed her to roughly re-create the original Valkyr Prime's toughness and, when charged with void energy, her invulnerability. That was Valkyr Gersemi.
Then the Zanuka Project got ahold of her. They shelled her like a shrimp and tortured her to the point of insanity. What they didn't realize is that pain-fueled rage is exactly what she needed to reclaim Valkyr Prime's ability to ignore pain and injury, and throw herself into void-powered psychosis on demand. She lost the protective shell, but she didn't need it anymore to perform just as well.
The Zanuka project, ironically enough, unwittingly modified Valkyr Gersemi to resemble the original Valkyr Prime.
Also seen this arguement, which is one of the most 'convenient' arguements back. Lore is whatever DE decides though, regardless of how convenient it is or seems.
Just seems like they realised a mistake and quickly threw a bandaid on it which is why things looks so obviously backwards.
Normal 'frames (and indeed, almost all Tenno equipment) are knockoffs of the Primes. While they were used during the last days of the Orokin Empire, they were mere imitations of true Orokin technology, produced by Tenno who lacked the capability (or were not given the means) to produce the originals.
Some Primes, like the Boar Prime, Dakra Prime, and Dual Kamas Prime, were originally crafted by Tenno artisans, but this was during the early days of Tenno involvement in the Old War and the ability to create these Primes consistently has been lost since. They can now only be recreated by those who can find the original blueprints and pieces of the original equipment in order to repair it to functioning use, just like any other Prime.
Of course lore is whatever DE decides - you gonna argue with an author about what's true or not in a fictional universe they created? Fact is though, if they wanted a Valkyr that was totally without torture, they could've done it, made her look more like Valkyr Gersemi, and still had a good fifty or so possible explanations for why. That very same argument you use can be applied to a potential Gersemi-looking Valkyr Prime as well.
The idea of Valkyr being fueled by pain was definitely a deliberate design choice for her Prime. They went through the trouble of modelling features on her body that serve no purpose except to torture her, such as the crown of thorns, her pauldron spikes, and the piercings on her face, elbow-crooks and ankles. Given that, we have to assume that being fueled by pain was the Orokin's original design for her too, and there has to have been a departure from that design somewhere to produce Valkyr Gersemi. The idea of Valkyr being actually a return-to-form is something of a poetic irony in Valkyr's story, and IMO gives her a lot more character than a lot of non-quest 'frames have in their history.
Try not to purposly leave out this part, that I'll post again here now: "Let me put it like this: (since we don't know from what Excalibur Prime is made, so we'll ignore him, simply because he could've been built either way) The Orokin could've originally start building the warframes from something else, not infested flesh, they built the very first Excal that way, probably even a few other we haven't discovered yet, but they were all hard to control, so Ballas decided to try building them with infested flesh, since that would be easier to control, so he built Nidus Prime, the very first warframes made with infested flesh. Seeing how he's much easier to control than the previous ones, all frames built after him, be it prime or mass production version was made using infested flesh, hence why all the ones we have now are made with it."
With that I mean that except the fact that Excalibur being the first, we don't know how many different warframes the Orokin created, nor what materials they used before they started using infested tissue, if they even used something else.
My theory is that, they did create some Warframes with different materials the very beggining, when they started making them, but Nidus is the first to be made with infested flesh, then came the others, and most probably, rebuilding the ones that were made from diferent materials with infested flesh. My main reasoning for that was that they were easier to control that way, from what you said, another reason could be that that would make them immune to sentients.
Because we don't know the exact order in which the Orokin created the frames, outside of the posterboy, and the fact we don't know with what other materials they experimented before infested flesh, if any at all, my theory does hold up. Which again, is that Nidus was the very first one built with infested flesh, making all others created after be made only with infested flesh, and most probably, the reconstruction of the ones before him into designs that have infested flesh. There is no hole in that, maybe it looked like that because of how I worded it.
But then again, it's a theory, so I could be way off or on point, we may never know.
EDIT: As another small mention, the current Primes (including posterboy) could be the first version of the frames made by the Orokin with infested flesh, yet many of them could have versions made without infest flesh. Maybe Umbra could be the very first version of each frame, that were not made with infested flesh (that's just a theory, a warframe theo...wait, wrong show, sorry)
In addition we know from the Rhino Prime Codex entry that even Proto-Warframes were made of Infestation.
Ok, after this comment, I'll stop replying to you until you learn to read, so, sorry (not) if this sounds harsh.
My theory states that there were warframes created by the Orokin before they started using infested flesh, and Nidus was the first with infested flesh, followed by the rest, and most probably, reconstruction of the previous ones to incorporate infested flesh.
Tried to put it as simple as possible for you, so please, tell you me you understood now. Just as it's impossible for me to confirm that what I say is true (hence why it's just a theory), it's just as impossible for you to say that infested flesh was the only thing the Orokin used, and that they never experimented with other materials, which is what my theory suggests.
Now you understand why your point of "no warframe is built without infested tissue" is stupid when used against my theory? Yes, no warframe that we currently own, and know as of yet is built without, but do you have anything to confirm that there were no previous frames constructed without infested flesh? My theory holds as long as that data is inexistent, but that doesn't mean the theory is right or wrong, it's just a theory. The only way to prove it wrong is to pull some official data stating that the Orokin never used anything other than infested tissue for warframes and by that I mean, not even experimenting with anything else. Can you do that? Answer simply, yes or no.
Rhino Prime's codex entry demonstrates that, even prior to Excalibur, Infestation forms were used for Transference experiments. The Silver Grove and the War Within demonstrates that Transference must be used on biological creatures with a biological mind - this isn't exactly limited to Infestation, naturally, but it means that there's a lot fewer alternatives for what Warframes could be made of. You can't use Transference to enter something totally robotic.
There's what we know of the Sentients. Sentients have two primary abilities - the ability to adapt to incoming stresses (represented by their adaptive damage resistance), and the ability to control and subvert non-biological objects that are sufficiently advanced. This second ability is never demonstrated in-game, but it's the entire reason why we wield guns and swords and similar weapons instead of whatever exotic weaponry was in vogue among the Orokin prior to the Sentients' return from Tau. It's also another reason why Warframes have to be biological, and are likely Infested in nature - the Sentients can't subvert biological entities, and the Orokin are also responsible for utilizing the Infested against the Sentient threat. Unfortunately the Infestation could not be controlled using typical means, but as Rhino Prime's Codex demonstrates, they can be controlled via Transference.
We also know there's a connection between Warframes and Infestation. Firstly, there's the fact that Warframes cannot be Infested directly by the Infestation. The only time a Warframe has ever been successfully Infested is Mesa during Patient Zero, and even that was not direct. The Mutalist Infestation instead infested the control collar that Alad V had put on her, and controlled Mesa via that, since Mesa could not be taken control of directly.
There's also the lines Jordas, Lephantis and Phorid use when speaking to you.
Note their emphasis on insisting that 'they are your flesh.' They can't infest your Warframe, because you're already an Infested being. They're perplexed that 'one of their own' is trying to kill them. They don't want to fight you, because they'd rather you assimilate into the Hive and serve them, but have to because you give them no other choice. If you won't assimilate, they have to destroy and consume you, like they would anything else they kill. These lines can play for any Warframe, including Excalibur Prime.
Finally, there's Helminth. Let's just look at some of his quotes.
Helminth is the creature that lives beyond the Infested door in your Orbiter. It is clearly an Infested creature, but it's a form of Infestation that is benign and even beneficial. It takes care of biological functions and medicine aboard the Orbiter, including maintaining the biological functions of your Warframes. That first line, "We... breathe for you. Bleed for you. Feed for you." and the last line "Living substances is our domain." is Helminth talking about this functionality. The telling line here is "We are as one." That's pretty clearly stating that Helminth and your Warframe are the same - they're both Infestation-based beings.
These lines can play for any Warframe capable of entering Helminth's chamber, including Excalibur Prime if he's bearing a mature Helminth Cyst. In fact, let me just link a screenshot I just took to prove this. I don't have Excal Prime, but this proves it'll play for any Warframe, even a Prime.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1381798744
So, with all this massive preponderance of evidence linking Warframes and Infestation, why would there be Warframes who are not also Infestation forms? In fact, it begs the question as to whether or not there could be Warframes that aren't also Infestation forms. If you recall the Apothic codex entries from The Silver Grove...
... we have here a scientist being recruited by Ballas and Margulis, back when Margulis was still alive. This is very early in the Transference Project, at the point where it became the Warframe Project ("Transference therapy is being turned into a weapon.") Sylvana, an expert on the Infestation, was called in to work on the Warframe project from its very inception, just prior to its inception, even! Why would they need her, if Warframes were not based on Infestation?
I'm sorry, but there's too much evidence to the contrary of your idea. Until we actually see functioning Warframes that have no connection to the Infestation (meaning Helminth doesn't respond to them, they can't be infected by Helminth cysts, Infested bosses don't plead with them to join, there's no Infestation materials in their construction) there's nothing to support your hypothesis.
It's pretty safe to say that, if at any point Ballas's Warframe Project experimented with non-Infestation-based Warframes, nothing functional came of it.