Dual Keres OP?

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Now I am a noob so take what I say with a grain of salt, but is it just me or are the dual keres OP? The weapon has the attack speed of a status weapon yet the highest crit chance of all dual swords at 28%. You can do a crit build on it without berserker, freeing up a space for more dmg or crit dmg or what not.

[No_Quarter]

is it better than zaws? no.
so it cannot be OP as zaws are strongest melee weapons out there at the moment.
Some weapons may have features stronger than zaw but overall effectivness of zaws is just flat out better.

with 2 dual stats mods for status and drifting contact for blood rush it can probably be pretty strong.
Riven can really make tis weapon a top tier viable as fast attack speed can compensate for not having too high status chance so you should deal status quite often even with 30-ish % status chance you would get with 2 dual stat mods and a Drifting Contact.
It may be Condition Overload viable in such case but doubt you coudl fit it with 2 dual stats mods so 25-ish % status chance could probably work too

Carving Mantis stance has pretty good 100% proc combos so Condition Overload could even work without pumping up the status chance.
Same like it works on Mios, weapon has low status but stance makes up for it

I did not bother to build it yet tho but this is my train of thought when I saw it's stats.
Carving Mantis is rare tho, but very powerful

[Hoop]

Most of the newer weapons outclass the older stuff by a lot.

Dual Keres is sorta between Prisma Cleavers and the other dual swords so not really OP.

Rivens further complicate things.

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JK21Games původně napsal:

No_Quarter původně napsal:

is it better than zaws? no.
so it cannot be OP as zaws are strongest melee weapons out there at the moment.
Some weapons may have features stronger than zaw but overall effectivness of zaws is just flat out better.

We haven't seen any Zaw dual swords yet, so we can't comment on that. Going by the recently introduced Nikana and Heavy Blade zaws, it seems like future Zaws will not outright outperform the heavy hitters in those categories since you can make them better in an aspect like crit, status, or damage, but at a compromise that makes them less balanced than the standout weapon. I would speculate that after the melee weapon rebalancing, this will likely be true for most weapon ccategories. You can't really make a Zaw Nikana for example that is better than Nikana Prime. You can make one with higher crit or status chance, but it compromises on damage, attack speed, and the crit or status chance compared to the Nikana Prime. At which point, you are more using it because you have access to an Exodia, or if you don't have Nikana Prime since they will outperform the Dragon Nikana (without a Riven, cause Riven Dragon Nikana is still the best).

So even if Hok were to have dual sword Zaws, I don't see them being able to replace/outclass the dual sword category since its just too competetive. There are also a number of them like the Dark Split Sword (inate Radiation Damage), the Dual Ichor (inate Toxin Damage), the Prisma Dual Cleavers (augment), the Twin Basolk (inate Fire damage + unique slam attack), or Nami Skyla Prime (attack speed + slash potential) that aren't going to be able to have their unique points replicated by a Zaw.

I meant in terms of the idea for dual swords which is ability to hit more rapidly than with just 1 sword which works well with combo and build up for condition overload and such weapons usually rely on DPS rather than damage per hit.
Zaws have those characteristics, even as one handed weapons they outmatch DPS and ability to build up.

that was my train of thoughts when I said Zaws are the best.

But I like that new zaws are rather balanced weapons, strong yet not so strong as Plague Zaws.

Meanwhile I tested out the weapon with Carving Mantis stance, even without any status mods it procs like crazy, as I said stance offers hits with 100% proc chance, weapon is pretty damn strong.
Gonna switch my Dark Split Sword to that stance and see what happens

[Kawalorn]

Dual Keres aren't bad by themselves but there are just better alternatives, which leave you with no reason to use Keres, other than it's looks.

For example Dark Split Sword is pretty much the same weapon but with pure radiation damage.

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JK21Games původně napsal:

They don't have the highest crit chance since the Dual Raza, Dual Cleavers (both), Dual Ichor, and the Dual Zoren have 3.0x. The balancing thing with the Dual keres is that they deal relatively low damage for dual swords at 44 damage base and have a somewhat lower crit chance than a number of other swords.

Statwise for example, you can compare them other good crit swords in the dual sword category to see their pluses and minuses. In particular, I think that the Dark Split Sword will usually have a crit edge, while others will have a status edge (especially weapons that are more slash focused than the Dual Keres). The Dual Keres are still a good set of dual swords, they just don't outperform persay:

Dual Keres - 1.25 attack speed, 2.6x crit multiplier, 44 damage, 26% crit chance, 14% status chance

Dark Split Sword - 1.17 attack speed, 2.5x crit multiplier, 65 radiation damage, 25% crit chance, 15% status chance

Prisma Dual Cleavers - 1.0 attack speed, 3.0x crit multiplier, 35 damage, 25% crit chance, 25% status chance (also has a +100% damage + healing augment to partially compensate for low base damage).

Dual Kamas Primes - 1.17 attack speed, 2.0x crit multiplier, 70 damage, 15% crit chance, 20% status chance.

Nami Skyla Prime - 1.33 attack speed, 1.5x crit multiplier, 60 damage, 20% crit chance, 30% status chance

Dual Ichor - 1.08 attack speed, 3.0x crit multiplier, 35 toxin damage, 25% crit chance, 15% status chance.

i think you mean crit damage