Dual Keres OP?

[子不是字]

Now I am a noob so take what I say with a grain of salt, but is it just me or are the dual keres OP? The weapon has the attack speed of a status weapon yet the highest crit chance of all dual swords at 28%. You can do a crit build on it without berserker, freeing up a space for more dmg or crit dmg or what not.

[Wintermute]

Blood rush and bodycount are a thing. With them, I don't think there's a single melee weapon that CAN'T be built for crits.

And that's without even mentioning Memeing Strike.

[Kamen Kreuz]

Prisma Dual Cleavers are better, in my opinion. You lose a little attack speed, damage, and 3% crit chance, but gain .4x more crit damage, 11% more status chance, higher percentage of slash, and the Justice Blades mod.

[Scaredy Cat]

They are incredibly good, that is true. However,they are still outclassed by the Twin Krohkur, and, theyre still dual swords. Once you see what e.g. polearms and whips can do you'll understand why dual swords, while good, arent that op.

[子不是字]

Originally posted by Scaredy Cat:

They are incredibly good, that is true. However,they are still outclassed by the Twin Krohkur, and, theyre still dual swords. Once you see what e.g. polearms and whips can do you'll understand why dual swords, while good, arent that op.

i see. Yeah I do have polearms (lesion), but I don't think I have a good build for it

[vid23]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

Blood rush and bodycount are a thing. With them, I don't think there's a single melee weapon that CAN'T be built for crits.

And that's without even mentioning Memeing Strike.

have fun tryintg to build any melee with 5% crit chance for crit, without maiming strike

[子不是字]

Originally posted by vid23:

Originally posted by Wintermute:

Blood rush and bodycount are a thing. With them, I don't think there's a single melee weapon that CAN'T be built for crits.

And that's without even mentioning Memeing Strike.

have fun tryintg to build any melee with 5% crit chance for crit, without maiming strike

true

[子不是字]

Originally posted by Kreuzfahrer:

Prisma Dual Cleavers are better, in my opinion. You lose a little attack speed, damage, and 3% crit chance, but gain .4x more crit damage, 11% more status chance, higher percentage of slash, and the Justice Blades mod.

gonna need to get me one

[Raza]

actualy i think it can be better compared to the darksplit sword dual mode while having only 0.08% attack sped 3%crit chance and 0.1%crit damage less it has radiation base damage and base damage of 60 compared to 44 of the keres

[Crystal_Ignition (exo)]

if your gona go dual swords it really should be for a status build, use the speed to rev up the HR fish (http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Healing_Return)
i prefer nami skyla prime over twin krohkurs though, its a little less damage but significantly more attack speed and a surprisingly good riven disposition (yes i have a riven for it, attack speed and damage)

[Nepium]

Originally posted by SolarianNova60:

Now I am a noob so take what I say with a grain of salt, but is it just me or are the dual keres OP? The weapon has the attack speed of a status weapon yet the highest crit chance of all dual swords at 28%. You can do a crit build on it without berserker, freeing up a space for more dmg or crit dmg or what not.

you do not need a berserker if you want a crut build but it just help on things like a spin to win atterax

[子不是字]

Originally posted by PredaTomGaming:

Originally posted by SolarianNova60:

Now I am a noob so take what I say with a grain of salt, but is it just me or are the dual keres OP? The weapon has the attack speed of a status weapon yet the highest crit chance of all dual swords at 28%. You can do a crit build on it without berserker, freeing up a space for more dmg or crit dmg or what not.

you do not need a berserker if you want a crut build but it just help on things like a spin to win atterax

what i mean is that some crit weapons I feel as if you need berserker because of how slow they are. Aside from dual keres I have yet to encounter another crit weapon that has good enough attack speed to not need berserker, so I was under the misconception that crit weapons generally have slower attack speed because of berserker

[ZedClampet]

After you've used a top tier zaw polearm or stave, you'll forget about all the other weapons. I like to put Primed Fury and Reach on mine, a good Riven mod with various helpful items; drifting contact, blood rush, life steal, elemental damage (the riven mod has to have some of those on it for this to work). Done correctly, it will basically kill anything in the game that can be killed with melee. You're literally doing 6 figure damage with every swing if you've built it for the task at hand. You've got to use different set-ups depending on what you are fighting. Of course, for most of what you will come across, it doesn't even really matter. It's just a few end-game things where you want specialized set-ups.

[DeapNight]

Originally posted by Zed Clampet:

After you've used a top tier zaw polearm or stave, you'll forget about all the other weapons. I like to put Primed Fury and Reach on mine, a good Riven mod with various helpful items; drifting contact, blood rush, life steal, elemental damage (the riven mod has to have some of those on it for this to work). Done correctly, it will basically kill anything in the game that can be killed with melee. You're literally doing 6 figure damage with every swing if you've built it for the task at hand. You've got to use different set-ups depending on what you are fighting. Of course, for most of what you will come across, it doesn't even really matter. It's just a few end-game things where you want specialized set-ups.

I juse my zaw with saryns 1 and 2 + corrosive on the wapon and condition overload

[Teejayx6]

Needs more status, status >> crit. It's not op. Kinda meh, unless you have a riven.

[Wolfram]

Originally posted by SolarianNova60:

Originally posted by Scaredy Cat:

They are incredibly good, that is true. However,they are still outclassed by the Twin Krohkur, and, theyre still dual swords. Once you see what e.g. polearms and whips can do you'll understand why dual swords, while good, arent that op.

i see. Yeah I do have polearms (lesion), but I don't think I have a good build for it

Lesion does not need too much in things like crit chance etc... Just build it for damage and attack speed and you will see that it is pretty powerful. I prefer the Guandoa since it has a higher crit chance than Lesion (I think it has 26 or 28) and has the best reach as far as I know (it still deals insane damage). Another good polearm is the Vaykor Sydon although it is best against grineer since it has puncture dmg but it is still quite good for Sortie missions. There is not too much to do in order to specialize a build for those weapons except if you want the absolute maximum.

(I use the Guandoa with Berserker and true steel, since I do not have blood rush and it is already insane. True punishment might a nice choice as well when using Nidus or Inaros with Rage mod, or Nekros with a build that uses the desecrate ability all the time with despoil augment and equilibrium mod for more energy)