Hek vs Sobek... and whats the (almost) best rifle to look in game?

[ broderbr]

Hello folks, everythings good? I know Hek is one of the best shotgun in the game. What about Sobek? I know it has less power, but it has a larger magazine. Can he be a great shotgun like Hek until the end of the game? Or is it not worth the effort? The Tigris, what is the maximum magazine capacity I get with mods and potatoes? Can you tell me which shotgun I should be looking for? And also the rifles ... Karak, Boltor, Braton Prime / Vandal and a lot other good options ... Right now, going to try the Soma.
So far I am MR 7 so several have not yet access, but I am asking to be able to continue and aim for good weapons in the game. Not only the damage, but also the fun okay?
Post your comments and opinions, are very welcome guys

Have fun... Cheers Tennos !!!! o/

[^3Tinkles]

Sobek is godly with the right riven, and 100% status. Tigris is meta.. but dull and very samey (click click reload), reason why it's called the reload sim. Potato weapons that you like and want to use alot, put forma on weapons to add more polarity (a mod in a polarity slot of the same type takes up 50% less capacity, so a 12 > 6).. I like the sybaris myself, leveraction packs a punch and got a good riven for it.

Rivens are weapon specific mods that greatly increase the damage of the weapon depending on hwo often it is used by other tenno. For example the tigris is a 1/5 meaning stats can roll as high as 125%. Whereas the sobek isn't used nearly as often, having a 5/5 meaning you can roll as high as 450% on stats (like damage, mutishot status crit etc). You get these from sorties that you gain access to after the War Within quest.

As for Hek vs Sobek. Hek has custom mods that can make it a powerhouse at lower levels, like the 200% multishot syndicate mod, Sobek is great going past sorties, but requires a riven to do so, even at 100% status. Sobek is actually my most used weapon, and I enjoyed it leveling past Mr 15. So I think you will as well.

Good luck!

[ broderbr]

Originally posted by ^3Tinkles:

Sobek is godly with the right riven, and 100% status. Tigris is meta.. but dull and very samey (click click reload), reason why it's called the reload sim. Potato weapons that you like and want to use alot, put forma on weapons to add more polarity (a mod in a polarity slot of the same type takes up 50% less capacity, so a 12 > 6).. I like the sybaris myself, leveraction packs a punch and got a good riven for it.

Rivens are weapon specific mods that greatly increase the damage of the weapon depending on hwo often it is used by other tenno. For example the tigris is a 1/5 meaning stats can roll as high as 125%. Whereas the sobek isn't used nearly as often, having a 5/5 meaning you can roll as high as 450% on stats (like damage, mutishot status crit etc). You get these from sorties that you gain access to after the War Within quest.

As for Hek vs Sobek. Hek has custom mods that can make it a powerhouse at lower levels, like the 200% multishot syndicate mod, Sobek is great going past sorties, but requires a riven to do so, even at 100% status. Sobek is actually my most used weapon, and I enjoyed it leveling past Mr 15. So I think you will as well.

Good luck!:SBchicken::2016snocone:

Hummm these are good tips man, thanks for info and reply! ;D

[ broderbr]

Originally posted by JK21Games:

Originally posted by broderbr:

Hello folks, everythings good? I know Hek is one of the best shotgun in the game. What about Sobek? I know it has less power, but it has a larger magazine. Can he be a great shotgun like Hek until the end of the game? Or is it not worth the effort? The Tigris, what is the maximum magazine capacity I get with mods and potatoes? Can you tell me which shotgun I should be looking for? And also the rifles ... Karak, Boltor, Braton Prime / Vandal and a lot other good options ... Right now, going to try the Soma.
So far I am MR 7 so several have not yet access, but I am asking to be able to continue and aim for good weapons in the game. Not only the damage, but also the fun okay?
Post your comments and opinions, are very welcome guys

Have fun... Cheers Tennos !!!! o/

The Sobek can be good, however it requires the right set of mods that you won't get until much later in the game. Thing is that at that point you have access to the Strun Wraith which is a better overall shotgun than the Sobek, so you have to like a few of the unique points of the Sobek to use it.

The Tigris can get 4 shots by modding (Maybe 5 with a Riven, but anyways). Its not really worth it though since you tend to be better off just putting on reload mods since they don't mess up the overall build. For the Tigris to be good, you are looking at 5 mod slots invested into Status mods, so its already a bit low on slots.

As for which Shotguns, depends on what you like really. Arca Plasmor, Tigris Prime/Sancti Tigris, Vaykor Hek/Hek, Cornith, Arca Plasmor, Strun Wraith, and Astilla are all good. Some others are also decent, but those are the main ones I would look into since Boar Prime is vaulted, and a number of others are more if you like them. There are also a bunch of really good secondary shotguns like the Detron series, Pyrana, Euphonia prime, Twin Rogga, and the Akbronco.

The Baza is stastically the best middle rifle (although I don't really like it personally). The Braton Prime , Argonak, and Karak Wraith are decent, but run into some scaling issues later on since they have ammo inefficiency problems. I think the Karak Wraith is the best looking rifle in the game, but that's a personal call. The better rifles are things like the Tenora, Prisma Gorgon, Tiberon Prime, Telos Boltor, Supra Vandal, etc. That's more when you hit MR10 or so. Arguably the Sniper Rifles are probably even better than many of these weapons, and there are also the automatic crossbows that are basically rifles (The Attica and Zhuge are both pretty good overall), but that's a bit of a different discussion.

WOW man, very good options you point here too... I see a review about the Zarr (launcher + shotgun mode), very cool. Im looking for guns+fun, you know? lol
Right now, having to much fun with the little Sonicor and Glaive, jesus... my great buddy Blitz (kubrow), just love it!!! hahaha
Anyway, very thanks for the info + reply... going to try this bastards.

Have fun man! Cheers Tennos !!! o/

[BurlsoL]

Originally posted by JK21Games:

The Sobek can be good, however it requires the right set of mods that you won't get until much later in the game. Thing is that at that point you have access to the Strun Wraith which is a better overall shotgun than the Sobek, so you have to like a few of the unique points of the Sobek to use it.

Never liked Strun. The reloading mechanic always annoyed the hell out of me since it was one shell at a time. Meanwhile the damage was at a place where it was not enough to fit into the hard hitter role, while the ammo capacity was not enough to deal with groups reliably. I think I may have even built it, mastered it, and sold it without looking back with how lackluster it felt.

Sobek doesn't have the punch of a Hek or Tigris, but it is a good mid-point between a punchy shotgun for hard targets, and an assault rifle for dealing with many targets. Acid shells, Radiation/Viral status procs, just works well at softening up targets for other squad members and handling some crowd control. But, there have been a few new shotguns which also fill this role now, so I guess the Sobek is being used less often.

[ broderbr]

Originally posted by BurlsoL:

Originally posted by JK21Games:

The Sobek can be good, however it requires the right set of mods that you won't get until much later in the game. Thing is that at that point you have access to the Strun Wraith which is a better overall shotgun than the Sobek, so you have to like a few of the unique points of the Sobek to use it.

Never liked Strun. The reloading mechanic always annoyed the hell out of me since it was one shell at a time. Meanwhile the damage was at a place where it was not enough to fit into the hard hitter role, while the ammo capacity was not enough to deal with groups reliably. I think I may have even built it, mastered it, and sold it without looking back with how lackluster it felt.

Sobek doesn't have the punch of a Hek or Tigris, but it is a good mid-point between a punchy shotgun for hard targets, and an assault rifle for dealing with many targets. Acid shells, Radiation/Viral status procs, just works well at softening up targets for other squad members and handling some crowd control. But, there have been a few new shotguns which also fill this role now, so I guess the Sobek is being used less often.

Really, dont like Strun? Man he saves me a lot, in the first missions, until i get the Hek. With some ammo/reload/damage mods, he does a decent job, i think... but course, has another better options later. Right now, my Hek is my beast (2 formas now...)
And thanks for ur tips/reply man, have fun!!! ;D

[BurlsoL]

Originally posted by JK21Games:

Are you talking about the Strun or the Strun Wraith? Because those aren't the same thing.

I've mastered them both, although admittedly did the Strun last. Dunno when I did the Strun Wrath, but it really didn't stand out to me. The 10 round mag still has the same problem of not being enough shots to handle large groups. But still has the same reloading mechanic that just irks me; 0.5 seconds per shot, one shot at a time just ends up with this annoying cycle of partial reloads and never having enough shots when you need them. I might farm up the parts and build it again at some point, but with more recent options like the Astilla, Arca Plasmor, Corinth, I don't see much point.

I mostly like the Sobek for Acid Shells and Shattering Justice. While this cuts down on the total damage slightly, when used in a warframe that has CC or weakening abilities (Nyx, Mag, Equinox, Saryn, ect), it just combines well as a clearing weapon that can still do focused damage.

If I need heavy damage, I go with a Hek, Tigris, Opticor with multi-shot, Rubico, Vectis Prime, ect. If I need a mix of heavy damage and many shots, I go with a Tenora, Sybaris Prime or Sobek (depending on range of targets and how they pack together). For anything else, it falls into the range of many shots but not super high damage, so you have Telos Boltor, Ignis Wrath, Amprex, Panthera, and lots of random others.

[ broderbr]

Yep, i agree with the little magazine of some weapons, im a ammo maniac :D
So i just put some mods to increase/improve that(mostly shotguns). I prefer more shots and fewer reloads, hate low ammo, lol. Right now, my Hek is a beast, my best friend, after my great great great buddy Blitz (kubrow), hahahaha

[BurlsoL]

Originally posted by JK21Games:

Basically, the biggest advantage of the Strun Wraith over even a Status Sobek is that the Strun Wraith has double the pellet count at 10 vs. 5,

Which might be why I never saw much benefit to it. It has a higher chance of status chance per pellet, but only a few status effects benefit particularly well from stacked effects to it ends up needing more specific building to really take advantage. Or a good riven. Even with being able to get 100% status chance, you'll end up needing a reload or mag size mod to fill up a spot to correct for the weakness of the weapon instead of getting that extra 90% damage from an additional mod.

Running Sobek with radiation/viral, and acid shells, I mostly just need each status to hit once per enemy, kill the weak one so it pops. The explosion causes a corrosive proc (scaling 45% max health) on nearby enemies and kills them too causing another proc. So you get this situation where enemies are at 50% health from viral, then take 450 and 45% max health damage from the Acid Shells. With the standard enemy grouping of 4-6 lancers with 1 gunner, this ends up with the weaker enemies reducing both the health and armor of the gunner as they explode. Even though the per pellet chance of status is lower, the higher ammo count and rate of fire means you can just pepper the group and usually get most of them affected and get the chain reaction started. For stronger targets, you can just get up close and make all those pellets hit for full damage. The Justiice proc on high missions is just cake since it goes off so often restoring health and killing surrounding enemies so makes a frame like Inaros or Nidus even more godly.