So, what's the point in Kuva Liches?

[Xenos]

This is how I see it on the surface:

1) I spend roughly 15 hours soulessly farming thralls to even get a chance to know what I need to use

2) I then spend probably a few days attempting to gather enough Reqium Relics to attempt to get what I need to use

3) I spend probably another few days farming normal voids to get enough void traces to give me a better (but not guaranteed chance) of NOT wasting my RR trying to get the right item

4) Then I have to try to actually fight the Lich, which has a majority chance of him instantly killing you, running away, getting stronger, and repeats until you get lucky

5) My reward is a Kuva weapon. My current Lich is using a Kuva Kraken, which I don't like as a gun, and from what I've seen most of the weapons require an MR of 13+. I am currently MR 10. So that's another, like, few WEEKS of MR grinding just to be allowed to use a sub-par pistol.

This comes to a sum total of what is probably multiple days at best, and weeks at worst, of grinding to defeat the Lich (I can't do ANYTHING else in the meantime, like Sorties), and my reward is a "meh" gun that I probably can't even use for another month anyways.

Why would I ever do this when I can just boot up Shadow of Mordor?

[Clockman]

The point is to sell a 875 platnim bundle that contains all the mods u need to farm your lichs.....3 times in total.

[Donitsi]

My friend and I farmed all what Requiem relics have to offer and have some duplicates too and killed our first Kuva liches. All this in 3 hours.

It won't take weeks to kill a Lich. Propably 20 minutes in total when you have all Requiem relic thingies.

[FAArscape]

They really need a way to actually opt out of this madness...
I get that some ppl like it...but I'm afraid that it might scare a crapload of casuals away from the game if they don't..

[bubblegumrockya]

update released 2 days ago, i doubt you actually took 15 hours and multiple days

[Rahlence]

love the hyperbole. 15 hours for a lich? You'd have to be failing missions the vast majority of the time to even come close to that.

[Xenos]

Originally posted by bubblegumrockya:

update released 2 days ago, i doubt you actually took 15 hours and multiple days

This is, very clearly, a predictive estimate of what it would take me, a person with a job and university, to complete all the necessary steps to take down a single Lich. Re-read the post. If it doesn't make sense, that's because you interpreted it wrong and that's why it sounds impossible.

Originally posted by Donitsi:

My friend and I farmed all what Requiem relics have to offer and have some duplicates too and killed our first Kuva liches. All this in 2 hours.

It won't take weeks to kill a Lich. Propably 20 minutes in total when you have all Requiem relic thingies.

Two things.

First, I don't believe you.
Secondly, anecdotal stories are pretty much worthless because this whole process is gated by three different layers of RNG and random drops, meaning that personal experiences are pretty much worthless as evidence of how long it takes.

Originally posted by Rahlence:

love the hyperbole. 15 hours for a lich? You'd have to be failing missions the vast majority of the time to even come close to that.

Farming THRALLS. You have to kill 150 of them to just realistically begin the process. Shooting the exact same enemy that I have to wait a few minutes for a new one to spawn will drive me absolutely insane. My Lich is on Earth, and nothing on Earth is worth my time except thralls, so I'd be farming them nonstop, for no reason other than to farm thralls. I have far better uses of my time and my ADHD-addled brain knows that, so just trying to force myself through bloody tears to do that sort of thing would take me 15 hours.

[King of Wei]

My advice would be to just not make killing the lich your priority. The grind is daunting and the weapons seem lackluster so aside from MR and a decently fun boss fight there's not much point in dealing with them.

That being said there are things you can do to at least make it 'feel' less grindy.
Are you interested in rivens? If so you'll be doing plenty of kuva siphon missions. Once you've got enough kuva to roll whatever rivens you have check your stock of requiem mods, if you've got 2-4 go to a requiem fissure and try your luck.

You also don't have to make the requiem relics radiant. Yeah it doubles your chances for an uncommon drop but their default is 20%. 1/5 is still good odds especially if you're running with a full squad.

Don't need to grind the thralls for the words either. Just throw some mods on your hidden blade and try for it. Worst case scenario your lich kills you and you learn what mod not to use. You'll be killing plenty of thralls hunting your lich too so pick a mission type you enjoy/need rewards from and wait for the lich to show. If they steal your rewards you'll get them back once they're dead.

I got lucky with mine in that the first two mods i threw on there were the correct ones. In the time it took me to fight my lich twice i killed enough thralls to get the final word so i know what to hunt for. Don't expect things to go so smoothly all the time but this method does streamline the process somewhat.

[Xenos]

Originally posted by Smooth Criminal:

My advice would be to just not make killing the lich your priority. The grind is daunting and the weapons seem lackluster so aside from MR and a decently fun boss fight there's not much point in dealing with them.

That being said there are things you can do to at least make it 'feel' less grindy.
Are you interested in rivens? If so you'll be doing plenty of kuva siphon missions. Once you've got enough kuva to roll whatever rivens you have check your stock of requiem mods, if you've got 2-4 go to a requiem fissure and try your luck.

You also don't have to make the requiem relics radiant. Yeah it doubles your chances for an uncommon drop but their default is 20%. 1/5 is still good odds especially if you're running with a full squad.

Don't need to grind the thralls for the words either. Just throw some mods on your hidden blade and try for it. Worst case scenario your lich kills you and you learn what mod not to use. You'll be killing plenty of thralls hunting your lich too so pick a mission type you enjoy/need rewards from and wait for the lich to show. If they steal your rewards you'll get them back once they're dead.

I got lucky with mine in that the first two mods i threw on there were the correct ones. In the time it took me to fight my lich twice i killed enough thralls to get the final word so i know what to hunt for. Don't expect things to go so smoothly all the time but this method does streamline the process somewhat.

This is probably the best answer I ever could have gotten. I actually do quite enjoy rerolling Rivens since theres no risk, it just costs Kuva. I'm currently trying to roll a Lex Riven to see if i can make it even better. Right now it's got 60% fire rate, heat, and 2 punch through, but i really want a magazine or reload speed since firing speed is easy to mod on, but those aren't.

Plus your advice to just guess may sound kinda dumb but it's probably more preferable for me than doing that god-awful thrall grind.

I'm gonna try it this way and see if that improves my experience.

But seriously, all I'm going to get is a Kuva Kraken at most. Whoop-Dee-doo. I want Kuva Gorgon to be a thing.

[99dSFMu12]

The point is 52k MR points... probably

[Miro Laaksonen]

Originally posted by Xenos:

This is how I see it on the surface:

1) I spend roughly 15 hours soulessly farming thralls to even get a chance to know what I need to use

2) I then spend probably a few days attempting to gather enough Reqium Relics to attempt to get what I need to use

3) I spend probably another few days farming normal voids to get enough void traces to give me a better (but not guaranteed chance) of NOT wasting my RR trying to get the right item

4) Then I have to try to actually fight the Lich, which has a majority chance of him instantly killing you, running away, getting stronger, and repeats until you get lucky

5) My reward is a Kuva weapon. My current Lich is using a Kuva Kraken, which I don't like as a gun, and from what I've seen most of the weapons require an MR of 13+. I am currently MR 10. So that's another, like, few WEEKS of MR grinding just to be allowed to use a sub-par pistol.

This comes to a sum total of what is probably multiple days at best, and weeks at worst, of grinding to defeat the Lich (I can't do ANYTHING else in the meantime, like Sorties), and my reward is a "meh" gun that I probably can't even use for another month anyways.

Why would I ever do this when I can just boot up Shadow of Mordor?

I mean... it doesn't take that long. Once you have a set of the requiem mods, spawning and taking down the Lich probably takes like three hours at most and you can take down three Liches before you need to get any more of the mods. And that three hours is if you don't get lucky.
Admittedly I still think think that's bit too grindy, but it's not anywhere close to what you are describing.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

So far, I'm honestly just appreciating the transmissions the guy sends me. Mine has quite the quippy personality.

[Xenos]

Originally posted by Miro Laaksonen:

Originally posted by Xenos:

This is how I see it on the surface:

1) I spend roughly 15 hours soulessly farming thralls to even get a chance to know what I need to use

2) I then spend probably a few days attempting to gather enough Reqium Relics to attempt to get what I need to use

3) I spend probably another few days farming normal voids to get enough void traces to give me a better (but not guaranteed chance) of NOT wasting my RR trying to get the right item

4) Then I have to try to actually fight the Lich, which has a majority chance of him instantly killing you, running away, getting stronger, and repeats until you get lucky

5) My reward is a Kuva weapon. My current Lich is using a Kuva Kraken, which I don't like as a gun, and from what I've seen most of the weapons require an MR of 13+. I am currently MR 10. So that's another, like, few WEEKS of MR grinding just to be allowed to use a sub-par pistol.

This comes to a sum total of what is probably multiple days at best, and weeks at worst, of grinding to defeat the Lich (I can't do ANYTHING else in the meantime, like Sorties), and my reward is a "meh" gun that I probably can't even use for another month anyways.

Why would I ever do this when I can just boot up Shadow of Mordor?

I mean... it doesn't take that long. Once you have a set of the requiem mods, spawning and taking down the Lich probably takes like three hours at most and you can take down three Liches before you need to get any more of the mods. And that three hours is if you don't get lucky.
Admittedly I still think think that's bit too grindy, but it's not anywhere close to what you are describing.

Half of what I'm describing IS GETTING the Reqiuem Mods, and farming the thralls. I may have ended up embellishing the difficulty in actually getting the RMs, but the fact that they are locked behind more void relic farming (And I'm currently on a 19 relic dry streak just trying to get the Paris Prime Grip) I don't have high hopes for how fast that goes.

What annoys me most is that the amount of thralls it takes to reliably get the specific mods is SO HIGH that it is legitimately faster to just toss random mods on, die to the thrall, and just brute force your way through it. This is basically DE putting a complex code lock on the door, expecting people to enjoy the thrill of cracking it, but instead people realize its faster to just smash open the lock with a crowbar.

I assume once you get past the Gates of RNG it gets faster, but thats like saying its easy to mod a car when you don't even own one yet. You're skipping half the steps and saying "yeah, but that LAST step is pretty easy"

[BlueBomber]

Yeah im not even bother with this update doesnt even look fun

[Pakaku]

Originally posted by Miro Laaksonen:

I mean... it doesn't take that long. Once you have a set of the requiem mods, spawning and taking down the Lich probably takes like three hours at most and you can take down three Liches before you need to get any more of the mods. And that three hours is if you don't get lucky.
Admittedly I still think think that's bit too grindy, but it's not anywhere close to what you are describing.

Once you have a set of the requiem mods, which are an uncommon drop and expire after three uses... I don't really understand why a set of disposable items have a lower drop rate than something like Riven slivers.

[Miro Laaksonen]

Originally posted by Xenos:

Originally posted by Miro Laaksonen:

I mean... it doesn't take that long. Once you have a set of the requiem mods, spawning and taking down the Lich probably takes like three hours at most and you can take down three Liches before you need to get any more of the mods. And that three hours is if you don't get lucky.
Admittedly I still think think that's bit too grindy, but it's not anywhere close to what you are describing.

Half of what I'm describing IS GETTING the Reqiuem Mods, and farming the thralls. I may have ended up embellishing the difficulty in actually getting the RMs, but the fact that they are locked behind more void relic farming (And I'm currently on a 19 relic dry streak just trying to get the Paris Prime Grip) I don't have high hopes for how fast that goes.

What annoys me most is that the amount of thralls it takes to reliably get the specific mods is SO HIGH that it is legitimately faster to just toss random mods on, die to the thrall, and just brute force your way through it. This is basically DE putting a complex code lock on the door, expecting people to enjoy the thrill of cracking it, but instead people realize its faster to just smash open the lock with a crowbar.

I assume once you get past the Gates of RNG it gets faster, but thats like saying its easy to mod a car when you don't even own one yet. You're skipping half the steps and saying "yeah, but that LAST step is pretty easy"

But you said it takes 15 hours to farm the thralls. It doesn't. That was included in my 3 hours.

You've also kind of misunderstood the optimal way to do the farm. First of all, you don't die from the thralls when you kill them, your requiem mods don't matter there, they just build up a progress gauge that eventually reveals one of the mods you need to kill the lich.

It's more effective to first get all the requiem mods ready (yeah, that farm sucks), and after that start working on your lich and figuring out which of the mods you need for it, not the other way around. As you hunt down the thralls, the lich will sometimes show too, and you can use your random mods on your Parazon to try out which mods work against it. You'll die almost always, but as you keep doing that, you'll almost certainly be able to figure out the right combination by the time you've revealed maybe 2 of the needed requiem mods by hunting the thralls and you don't need to reveal the third requiem mod through the thralls. This process takes around 3 hours unless you are really lucky when you try out which mods might work against the lich.

If you do what you described and farm enough thralls to reveal all 3 requiem mods you need, and then try to farm the three specific mods instead of just getting all of them at once, it will take longer. Still not days or weeks, but definitely longer. Also keep in mind that the each requiem mod can used to kill three liches so once you've done the farm to get at least one of each, you'll be good for a while.

Originally posted by Pakaku:

Originally posted by Miro Laaksonen:

I mean... it doesn't take that long. Once you have a set of the requiem mods, spawning and taking down the Lich probably takes like three hours at most and you can take down three Liches before you need to get any more of the mods. And that three hours is if you don't get lucky.
Admittedly I still think think that's bit too grindy, but it's not anywhere close to what you are describing.

Once you have a set of the requiem mods, which are an uncommon drop and expire after three uses... I don't really understand why a set of disposable items have a lower drop rate than something like Riven slivers.

I mean agree the grind is still bit too high, but the drop rate is not THAT bad, they are uncommon, not rare, and those three charges last you longer than you might think. It takes a while to kill three liches and you use just one charge from three of the mods for them so the chances are you still have charges left on each of the mods after three.
I'm also pretty sure they are tradeable so if you are missing just one specific one it's probably easier to just trade for it, especially if you have extra copies of another one.