big opinion, nuke frames ruin any sorta defense mission or onslaught

[Mitziete]

so i get they make things faster and way easier but frames like saryn, banshee, etc really make some missions super boring when you're not the one playing the nuke frame, i was playing hydron and some guy was instant killing enemies practically as soon as they spawned and had 242 kills while the rest of us had less than 30 kills and i ended up just quitting because we were all just standing around doing nothing.

how do you guys feel about nuke frames?

note* i'm not new, i have 400 hours and nuke frames/ semi nuke frames, i rarely use them because i feel like it makes the game boring for other players when it comes to the full-on nuke frames.

[Kars]

I don't really understand people who want to nerf everything and turn this grindfest of a game into an even bigger slog. Do you people have brain damage or something? First they make Ember absolute trash because players like OP complained about not being able to keep up with their master fodder weapons and frames, then Banshee gets nerfed because of similar reasons, then spin to win gets absolutely wrecked, which was among the best ways to grind that tedious focus. What the ♥♥♥♥ do you people even want? This is a game about killing hordes of enemies in the fastest way possible, yet people like OP, who can't keep up because they're either bad or their equipment is trash, want to turn this into some balanced snorefest. People who can nuke entire rooms of enemies worked for their ability to do so, maybe you should do the same so you can at least keep up.

[Mitziete]

引用自 Walrus-Sama：

引用自 Dog from the Bog：

people are already submitting to one play style, nuke frames, to get things done, i'm not saying to nerf them im just saying it would be nice to actually fight enemies than everyone standing still doing nothing while one person gets all the kills.

There's no fun in individually fighting fodder enemies.

i like fighting more than spamming 1-2 buttons and then running around and picking up stuff every 10 minutes

[Mitziete]

引用自 Kars：

I don't really understand people who want to nerf everything and turn this grindfest of a game into an even bigger slog. Do you people have brain damage or something? First they make Ember absolute trash because players like OP complained about not being able to keep up with their master fodder weapons and frames, then Banshee gets nerfed because of similar reasons, then spin to win gets absolutely wrecked, which was among the best ways to grind that tedious focus. What the ♥♥♥♥ do you people even want? This is a game about killing hordes of enemies in the fastest way possible, yet people like OP, who can't keep up because they're either bad or their equipment is trash, want to turn this into some balanced snorefest. People who can nuke entire rooms of enemies worked for their ability to do so, maybe you should do the same so you can at least keep up.

i have nuke frames, i think they're boring, i dont think they should be nerfed but i think they should make gameplay more involved rather than spamming 1-2 buttons and killing enemies instantly.

i'd rather run around and shoot stuff *and* use my abilities. rather than just using one ability that kills everything without any sorta skill or involved gameplay.

[Enoch]

Moderation is the key as always. As others have said nuke frames have their place, personally I would say ESO, Defense, and Void Relics in particular. I use Volt nuke spam to quickly farm relics. It's just efficient.

The important thing is that specific frames/tactics are suited to specific missions.

For example
I would much rather bring Ivara Noisy Arrow and solo a Tier 3 sortie Interception, or a stealth build for solo survival on Mot.

Excavation? I will bring Khora.

Nuke could accomplish these missions but (at least in my opinion) not efficiently enough. To me the whole point of continuing to play Warframe outside of trying new builds just for the hell of it is to find builds that excel at particular things and gather a wealth of CHOICES in my toolbox.

Nuke is just one of those choices, albeit the most popular one, again (in my opinion).... not the most efficient in every situation. There's so many scenarios where nuke ISN'T good that I think people need to consider it when they say it's OP.

OP at grinding Hydron? Sure. Why wouldn't it be? That's what it's for.

But you wouldn't take a nuke frame to fight Plague Star boss would you? No. You bring Rhino, or Chroma, or Titania. Would you bring Saryn to do Tier 3 Spy sortie? Farming toroids? Farming kavat genetic code? Vodyanoi?

[Nijuu]

引用自 Dog from the Bog：

引用自 Kars：

I don't really understand people who want to nerf everything and turn this grindfest of a game into an even bigger slog. Do you people have brain damage or something? First they make Ember absolute trash because players like OP complained about not being able to keep up with their master fodder weapons and frames, then Banshee gets nerfed because of similar reasons, then spin to win gets absolutely wrecked, which was among the best ways to grind that tedious focus. What the ♥♥♥♥ do you people even want? This is a game about killing hordes of enemies in the fastest way possible, yet people like OP, who can't keep up because they're either bad or their equipment is trash, want to turn this into some balanced snorefest. People who can nuke entire rooms of enemies worked for their ability to do so, maybe you should do the same so you can at least keep up.

i have nuke frames, i think they're boring, i dont think they should be nerfed but i think they should make gameplay more involved rather than spamming 1-2 buttons and killing enemies instantly.

i'd rather run around and shoot stuff *and* use my abilities. rather than just using one ability that kills everything without any sorta skill or involved gameplay.

Sums up my feelings on this. Even though XP and loot is nice, id rather shoot run and kill stuff myself than have someone kill everything for me. It gets boring otherwise (lack of interactivity).

[CrayonEater]

引用自 Dog from the Bog：

so i get they make things faster and way easier but frames like saryn, banshee, etc really make some missions super boring when you're not the one playing the nuke frame, i was playing hydron and some guy was instant killing enemies practically as soon as they spawned and had 242 kills while the rest of us had less than 30 kills and i ended up just quitting because we were all just standing around doing nothing.

how do you guys feel about nuke frames?

note* i'm not new, i have 400 hours and nuke frames/ semi nuke frames, i rarely use them because i feel like it makes the game boring for other players when it comes to the full-on nuke frames.

I do it all the time on volt, just stand in middle and spam 4, I have no patience for leveling frames/weapons anymore when ive done it 500 times already.

[Rivers]

引用自 Kars：

Touché dude. Dont understand how a hardstuck mr12 with 400 hours thinking banshee is nuke even has the audacity to post this. I could bring my exca there (hydron), use 3 and this guy would call it nuke and ask for nerfs. Problem is, devs actually listen to this type of trash instead of real feedback.

[Mitziete]

引用自 Rivers：

引用自 Kars：

Touché dude. Dont understand how a hardstuck mr12 with 400 hours thinking banshee is nuke even has the audacity to post this. I could bring my exca there (hydron), use 3 and this guy would call it nuke and ask for nerfs. Problem is, devs actually listen to this type of trash instead of real feedback. :conwayfacepalm:

hardstuck mr12? lol im sorry that i want gameplay that's fun and involved rather than boring nuke frame gameplay that takes no skill or any intelligence other than looking up meta builds and getting mods to make yourself op and make the game boring for everyone else.

[Mitziete]

引用自 Sideman：

引用自 Dog from the Bog：

so i get they make things faster and way easier but frames like saryn, banshee, etc really make some missions super boring when you're not the one playing the nuke frame, i was playing hydron and some guy was instant killing enemies practically as soon as they spawned and had 242 kills while the rest of us had less than 30 kills and i ended up just quitting because we were all just standing around doing nothing.

how do you guys feel about nuke frames?

note* i'm not new, i have 400 hours and nuke frames/ semi nuke frames, i rarely use them because i feel like it makes the game boring for other players when it comes to the full-on nuke frames.

I do it all the time on volt, just stand in middle and spam 4, I have no patience for leveling frames/weapons anymore when ive done it 500 times already.

yea i said i get why people do it, i just think people with over powered nuke frames should play solo or they should make the gameplay more involved for people who actually want to play a game.

[GunsForBucks]

引用自 Dog from the Bog：

引用自 Rivers：

Touché dude. Dont understand how a hardstuck mr12 with 400 hours thinking banshee is nuke even has the audacity to post this. I could bring my exca there (hydron), use 3 and this guy would call it nuke and ask for nerfs. Problem is, devs actually listen to this type of trash instead of real feedback. :conwayfacepalm:

hardstuck mr12? lol im sorry that i want gameplay that's fun and involved rather than boring nuke frame gameplay that takes no skill or any intelligence other than looking up meta builds and getting mods.

The problem is Hydron is basically low level star chart stuff.

The game is so deep and we get so powerful that any star chart mission is a joke.

What do you want them to do though? Nerf all bosses to make them star chart level so they can nerf all the guns and frames for some imaginary "balance".

I bet you can take anything and "Nuke" an Earth mission.. does that mean they need to nerf your gear? Or do you just need to play a harder mission?

But get real here... Hydron is for leveling, there is no other reason people play there other than clearing the star chart node.

[Mitziete]

引用自 GunsForBucks：

引用自 Dog from the Bog：

hardstuck mr12? lol im sorry that i want gameplay that's fun and involved rather than boring nuke frame gameplay that takes no skill or any intelligence other than looking up meta builds and getting mods.

The problem is Hydron is basically low level star chart stuff.

The game is so deep and we get so powerful that any star chart mission is a joke.

What do you want them to do though? Nerf all bosses to make them star chart level so they can nerf all the guns and frames for some imaginary "balance".

I bet you can take anything and "Nuke" an Earth mission.. does that mean they need to nerf your gear? Or do you just need to play a harder mission?

But get real here... Hydron is for leveling, there is no other reason people play there other than clearing the star chart node.

I already said i don't want them to nerf something to the point of there being no point in using a frame or weapon but i'd like them to actually try and make the gameplay have some sort of challenge for high lvl frames so that everyone is playing the game, maybe have a bigger counter to ability spamming or make a player move around.

also imo d.e is getting better with bosses, most of the boss fights are atrociously done especially eidolons but the ropalolyst show's they're improving at making bosses fun, and you're right every mission in the star chart is a joke and that's why it, to a certain extent, needs better balancing.

maybe they could make different difficulties for missions that change the drop rates/ xp and have different things disabled or make enemies stronger like they do in sorties. it wouldn't be hard to fix and make things more balanced for players, Destiny/ Destiny 2 does it really well with strikes and even normal missions while still making you feel powerful.


also sure hydron is for leveling but i like playing the game, it's not fun to sit in a match and watch one player kill all the enemies for 10-20 minutes and do literally nothing.

[GunsForBucks]

引用自 Dog from the Bog：

引用自 GunsForBucks：

The problem is Hydron is basically low level star chart stuff.

The game is so deep and we get so powerful that any star chart mission is a joke.

What do you want them to do though? Nerf all bosses to make them star chart level so they can nerf all the guns and frames for some imaginary "balance".

I bet you can take anything and "Nuke" an Earth mission.. does that mean they need to nerf your gear? Or do you just need to play a harder mission?

But get real here... Hydron is for leveling, there is no other reason people play there other than clearing the star chart node.

I already said i don't want them to nerf something to the point of there being no point in using a frame or weapon but i'd like them to actually try and make the gameplay have some sort of challenge for high lvl frames so that everyone is playing the game, maybe have a bigger counter to ability spamming or make a player move around.

also imo d.e is getting better with bosses, most of the boss fights are atrociously done especially eidolons but the ropalolyst show's they're improving at making bosses fun, and you're right every mission in the star chart is a joke and that's why it, to a certain extent, needs better balancing.

maybe they could make different difficulties for missions that change the drop rates/ xp and have different things disabled or make enemies stronger like they do in sorties. it wouldn't be hard to fix and make things more balanced for players, Destiny/ Destiny 2 does it really well with strikes and even normal missions while still making you feel powerful.


also sure hydron is for leveling but i like playing the game, it's not fun to sit in a match and watch one player kill all the enemies for 10-20 minutes and do literally nothing.

The tools we have should be capable of dealing with the strongest of enemies. Making them adjust for low level content is silly.

They have spoken about and I believe intend to have endless missions start in later difficulties, that would basically be your difficulty slider. So it is in the works.

Beyond that you should just expect anything when you play in a PUG. If not then you are just trying to tell other people how they "should" be having fun and trying to make rules to force them. I don't think anyone wants that. Use the tools you already have to create the gaming experience you want to have, rather than trying to force your ideal on others.

[Mitziete]

引用自 GunsForBucks：

引用自 Dog from the Bog：

I already said i don't want them to nerf something to the point of there being no point in using a frame or weapon but i'd like them to actually try and make the gameplay have some sort of challenge for high lvl frames so that everyone is playing the game, maybe have a bigger counter to ability spamming or make a player move around.

also imo d.e is getting better with bosses, most of the boss fights are atrociously done especially eidolons but the ropalolyst show's they're improving at making bosses fun, and you're right every mission in the star chart is a joke and that's why it, to a certain extent, needs better balancing.

maybe they could make different difficulties for missions that change the drop rates/ xp and have different things disabled or make enemies stronger like they do in sorties. it wouldn't be hard to fix and make things more balanced for players, Destiny/ Destiny 2 does it really well with strikes and even normal missions while still making you feel powerful.


also sure hydron is for leveling but i like playing the game, it's not fun to sit in a match and watch one player kill all the enemies for 10-20 minutes and do literally nothing.

The tools we have should be capable of dealing with the strongest of enemies. Making them adjust for low level content is silly.

They have spoken about and I believe intend to have endless missions start in later difficulties, that would basically be your difficulty slider. So it is in the works.

Beyond that you should just expect anything when you play in a PUG. If not then you are just trying to tell other people how they "should" be having fun and trying to make rules to force them. I don't think anyone wants that. Use the tools you already have to create the gaming experience you want to have, rather than trying to force your ideal on others.

i don't think anyone really has fun playing nuke frames though? most people do it just to get xp the fastest and just sit still

[GunsForBucks]

引用自 Dog from the Bog：

引用自 GunsForBucks：

The tools we have should be capable of dealing with the strongest of enemies. Making them adjust for low level content is silly.

They have spoken about and I believe intend to have endless missions start in later difficulties, that would basically be your difficulty slider. So it is in the works.

Beyond that you should just expect anything when you play in a PUG. If not then you are just trying to tell other people how they "should" be having fun and trying to make rules to force them. I don't think anyone wants that. Use the tools you already have to create the gaming experience you want to have, rather than trying to force your ideal on others.

i don't think anyone really has fun playing nuke frames though? most people do it just to get xp the fastest and just sit still

Let's look at that statement for a min...

In onslaught with a Sayrn I may get most kills <although I'm the kind of guy who rarely uses 4, like as the timer counts down etc> but any weapons I have don't get crap.. it all goes to my frame.

So a nuke frame in Hydron is either leveling up their frame or helping others level up weapons.

You want to stop that because you think that isn't fun for you?
When you could just find another group?

[Walrus-Sama]

引用自 Dog from the Bog：

引用自 Sideman：

I do it all the time on volt, just stand in middle and spam 4, I have no patience for leveling frames/weapons anymore when ive done it 500 times already.

yea i said i get why people do it, i just think people with over powered nuke frames should play solo or they should make the gameplay more involved for people who actually want to play a game.

No, you should play solo.

The rule of thumb for Public matches is do the objective as fast as possible, so to not waste peoples time and so everyone gets their stuff then can get out and move on to whatever else they want to do.

Stalling the pace of a mission to a hault because you feel killing fodder enemies individually is somehow 'fun' is ineffecient, wastes peoples time, and is completely against the rule of thumb of Public matches. Therefore, if you want to spent 2 hours on a Capture mission 'for fun gameplay' then you're gonna have to play solo.