Lets talk about how BAD garuda is

[Pirrad]

OH SHE BAD! came out just to be reworked, even vauban is more useful!
''oh dood she heals like crazy'' i can rap about how many things heal better than her, dont make me!
''dood, she can proc slash like a mothahumpa'' cool, i rather hitkill enemies before they can kill me.
Prove me wrong below.

[Nijuu]

引用自 Pirrad：

引用自 <:)：

Lets talk about how BAD OP is

引用自 Nijuu：

Everyone is going to have a different definition of fun. Why dont you just try a different wf if you find her that bad?.

i use all other frames, i just hate to see a frame with such potetial being that bad

If its that bad in your eyes, then just give feedback to devs instead of complaining about it. Others have mentioned how its meant to be used .

[Pirrad]

引用自 Roderick✪Legend：

dont even bother with this idiot troll, and that its going to be my last comment here.

another one that cant prove me wrong, cya later skater

[Pirrad]

引用自 Nijuu：

引用自 Pirrad：

i use all other frames, i just hate to see a frame with such potetial being that bad

If its that bad in your eyes, then just give feedback to devs instead of complaining about it. Others have mentioned how its meant to be used .

DE would never take my feedback into consideration, look how they ignored vauban feedbacks and the greatest feedback of all, rahetalious'.

[Pirrad]

引用自 <:)：

引用自 Pirrad：

Can't prove me wrong i see

Doubling down on bad bait isn't going to fool anybody.

still here i see? i just gotta reel you in

[Sterling]

Is she really bad, or is it "just" the previous warframe's designs conflicting with Garuda's, as well as the game's own? One could argue that she's bad, but another could argue that the game doesn't enable Garuda's performance to actually look significant. The meta ruins many frames, which is why Banshee doesn't exist and nobody knows Rhino has a damage buff; the former is just one-hit every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time, and the latter is just redundant with the absurdity of the builds this game enables; doesn't mean they suck, just that the better alternatives are too good for their own good.

[Pirrad]

引用自 Sterling：

Is she really bad, or is it "just" the previous warframe's designs conflicting with Garuda's, as well as the game's own? One could argue that she's bad, but another could argue that the game doesn't enable Garuda's performance to actually look significant. The meta ruins many frames, which is why Banshee doesn't exist and nobody knows Rhino has a damage buff; the former is just one-hit every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time, and the latter is just redundant with the absurdity of the builds this game enables; doesn't mean they suck, just that the better alternatives are too good for their own good.

The only that actually tried to prove me wrong, goodjob, and i agree, but it still means that she is bad, but now there's more reasons why she's bad.

ps: its sad to see ppl not realizing that rhino is a SUPPORT tank, not just a tank

[talkingmute]

Does anyone realize how a high strength Garuda build can basically jump in, charge heart for a second, and oneshot everything in range? Biggest drawback is armor (sucks against it) there are other things though. Honestly the abilities that I find kind of useless are the blood altar and blood letting.

It just doesn't mean anything to anyone because as soon as people can't oneshot things with other frames they leave.

PS: Just like Inaros, Rhino isn't a support tank. Rhino is just a selfish I'm going to armor myself and not actually do much frame. I've only even seen roar used once and it was in a hunt. Valkyr is a much better example of a support tank.

One more thing, I like how you're saying "Nope, can't prove me wrong" and you're not even acknowledging what other people are saying. Keep your Rhino and stay out of my arbs, haven't seen a Rhino that hasn't died before first reward yet.

[󠁳]

her 1 is a shield that blocks damage and has infinite scaling dmg that can nuke rooms
her fountains hp regen is nuts and if you can use the shield from her 1 then you will be able to withstand enormous groups of enemies even during long arbitration missions
the ability to half her hp and she gains a bunch of energy negates any reason to mod for efficiency, and if you are able to safely combo with her fountain you have infinite energy/hp, in later missions having to use her shield
her ultimate is amazing for slash procs as anything you hit with it is marked, and marked targets are guaranteed to take slash damage from incoming attacks

she is hella op but only when you are able to use all of her abilities together (mainly her first 3) if you cant then you could have problems staying alive in missions where enemies are really high lvl

i take her into arbitraion missions and rarely have problems surviving for 30-40 minute in survival and have never had problems in defence, i have her modded with all 3 umbral mods, and my build is somewhat unfinished, and use her claws most of the time when playing her, only using my guns when there are too many things that can nearly one shot me or for arbitration drones

she isnt a frame that is supposed to be one of the titan frames that is a go to when doing "end game" content, she is a frame that is mechanically fun and is a hack n slash caster frame that properly uses all 4 of her abilities equally

MY BUILD: Steel Charge, Primed Continuity R10, Umbral Vitality R10, Umbral Fiber R10, Umbral Intensify R10, Stretch R5, Rolling Guard R7, Transient Fortitude R9, Flow R5, No Exilus Mod
I mod her claws for a standard condition overload build
Armour: 877
Energy: 450
Health: 1,070
Shield: 300
Sprint Speed: 1.0

Duration: 130%
Efficiency: 100%
Range: 145%
Strength: 216%

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Garuda is hottie, she's fun to use and actually good at her job.

You can't prove me otherwise.

Why can't you prove otherwise? Because our in-game experiences and play styles differ greatly. While you enjoy Saryn's 4, I rarely use that one unless it's really needed. You care about speed and efficiency and that's your fun, I care about having my fun by playing how I like it. For you an endurance run is that 20 mins Kuva endurance where you guys ask for everyone to have the most meta guns, a Saryn, a Frost/Limbo and an EV for that 20 mins run, for me an endurance run is 1h+.

Since player experience, expectations and definition of fun is so different from one another, you keep saying that others can't prove you wrong because it conflicts with what you believe, well, you can't prove me wrong because our experiences differ, that simple.

It's not the meta that's the problem, it's the people who can't play anything else but what's the strongest regardless of what mission they do.

[cykocys]

So Garuda is bad cos you don't like her, find her boring. Kay cool.

[Miro Laaksonen]

Just give Garuda Natural Talent so her abilities don't feel clunky to use and she suddenly becomes great.

[Dai]

引用自 Anubis：

Since player experience, expectations and definition of fun is so different from one another, you keep saying that others can't prove you wrong because it conflicts with what you believe, well, you can't prove me wrong because our experiences differ, that simple.

It's not the meta that's the problem, it's the people who can't play anything else but what's the strongest regardless of what mission they do.

[RustyNaps]

Easy, I have a specific build for my Garuda that utilizes a 0.16 charge rate gas Ogris. I find a crowd, cast my ult, then start dumping rockets. Each rocket that explodes (which is 3) does 848 gas damage with leaves a 606 toxin DoT that stacks when gas is procc'd again. Combined with Garudas ult the damage and toxin DoT generates slash damage which will then apply a bleed proc relative to all the damage dealt.

So basically:

Initial damage: Bleed dot
Gas Procc: Bleed dot
Toxin Dot: Bleed dot

6 damages get applied when I shoot once in an AoE. Pretty neat for nuking heavies.

[No_Quarter]

引用自 Pirrad：

引用自 <:)：

Lets talk about how BAD OP is

Can't prove me wrong i see

it is a very heavy argument because if after 2500 hours in the game you cannot figure out a warframe and how she works and you rage how bad a warframe is instead of actually taking time to learn her.

Her setup makes her insanely good at being insanely aggressive and causing a lot of gore and blood to fly around.

If your gameplay is to click 4 with Saryn then yes, every other warframe is bad. It is not that Saryn is OP, other warframes are just bad.... Tho not everyone enjoys braindead gameplay and if you move from Saryn to something that requires you to keep an eye on energy, health, use more than 2 buttons to play and actually aim at something somewhat fast then you will have a very bad time.

From your PoV she is bad, from objective PoV you are spoiled by absolute braindead gameplay of Saryn with Ignis Wraith and you cannot cope with any kind of aggression from enemies fast enough so you get rekt.

On a note, too many people ignore her passive which should dictate your build and make it fun. If you wanna play her like you play Saryn she is very bad for that.

[Franss the Coffee Addict]

"B-b-but blood frame bad" - op