Please kill your lich when he spawns

[SirSlapAlot]

There can only be one lich active at a time so your blocking everyone else who might want their lich to spawn

[talkingmute]

Originally posted by in:

Originally posted by talkingmute:

So if you don't bring a rad relic, you need to NOT do fissures because it effects me?

Well, you opening a intact rather than a rad impacts the rest of the squad than not killing a lich does.


At that point it's no longer a pub, it's an lfg. If you're in a rad share group you should be using a rad...

Just like how you can join a lich mercy-kill group, you should kill (try) your lich.

Once again, lfg rad share everyone should be using rads. PUBS fissure or PUBS lich, you shouldn't upset if other people don't play the way you want them to.

Once again, we're talking about PUBS.

Your comparison makes 0 sense. Does other players bringing that intact relic block the rest of the team opening theirs? No.

It does if I want higher chances from rad rewards.

Just stop complaining about how people play in PUBS. If you want to kill your lich and dictate how people play then do LFG, people will play how they want in PUBS and it's wrong for you to tell them they can't.

[No_Quarter]

Originally posted by SirSlapAlot:

i think we need to understand this
if 1 person doesn't stab their lich, it affects all other 3 people if they want to try a combination as their liches would be blocked
If 1 person stabs their lich but the other 3 doesn't want to stab their lich, it wouldn't affect the others at all

U see how one causes trouble for the other 3 and one doesn't? that's the main reason why i think stabbing your lich (or thrall farming) should be a thing people should do in general.

It's like if your bringing an intact to a rad share and asking the other to play solo because u want to use an intact instead of you leaving

but odds are 3 other players and NOT waiting for a Lich spawn for a kill but they want Thralls, I pointed out odds that show it is very likely no one wants to kill their Lich in about 99% cases as you spent insane amount of time actually farming it and only up to 2 brief encounters to kill it.

While I do understand you feeling like you do cause you look at things from your own perspective, keeping Lich alive is benefitial for over 99% of random squads cause all 4 players get more Thralls and more progression.

No random player needs to do ANYTHING you ask him to. If you want some control play with your friends or alone, it is VERY silly to expect anything and feel entitled to it in random matchmaker. Everyone comes in with their own goal and as I shown you loose approximate odds it is a 1:1,05 bet that random squad will want to farm thralls rather than do a quick kill.

What you can do with those odds is maybe use them to decrease chances of squad being in the way and increase the chances of squad helping you with something.
Cause controlling and expecting anything from random people who have goal of their own is silly and will lead to disappointments.

[No1Eye]

Originally posted by SirSlapAlot:

i think we need to understand this
if 1 person doesn't stab their lich, it affects all other 3 people if they want to try a combination as their liches would be blocked
If 1 person stabs their lich but the other 3 doesn't want to stab their lich, it wouldn't affect the others at all

U see how one causes trouble for the other 3 and one doesn't? that's the main reason why i think stabbing your lich (or thrall farming) should be a thing people should do in general.

It's like if your bringing an intact to a rad share and asking the other to play solo because u want to use an intact instead of you leaving

and i think you need to understand that you are in a public run and people will do as they want, and not as you want, no matter how you spin it around.
go solo, or form your own team, your issue is solved.

stop whining about how people decide to play in public runs, for their reasons this is how they play, they might want to kill the lich, they might not want to do so, for their reasons, again, which they do not have to explain to you or anyone else, for that matter.

don't run in public when you want to face your own lich, for your reasons, so you don't have to face those issues.
but, you cannot dictate or force the other 3 players to do what you want.

at least, up to a point DE does something about it.
coz they will do something about it, for sure.


EDIT:
if you cannot handle your lich on solo, well tough luck dude.
if your lich is rank 5, due to burning out your attempts without actually figuring out the place of a just revealed req mod, coz you are backing up that theory of yours, then, tough luck.

but, if you go smart about it, you can kill your lich while being rank 2-3, max 4 and only with 3-4 attempts, depending on how lucky you are when doing an attempt, after you revealed a req mod.
otherwise, just form your own team to help you out.
at least, up to a point DE does something about it.

[talkingmute]

Originally posted by in:

Originally posted by talkingmute:

It does if I want higher chances from rad rewards.

Just stop complaining about how people play in PUBS. If you want to kill your lich and dictate how people play then do LFG, people will play how they want in PUBS and it's wrong for you to tell them they can't.

Yes you have a CHANCE while players blocking spawns for other leave NO CHANCE.
Yes, I'm omw to recruit players while planets/nodes are randomized and everyone has a different progression. Radsharing is convenient cause nodes are global and everyone works for a single goal. Meanwhile here 1 player decides what's best for him ignoriy rest of the squad. 10/10 cooperative experience.

"Meanwhile here 1 player decides what's best for him ignoriy rest of the squad. 10/10 cooperative experience."

How are you any different? Stop complaining and do solo or LFG instead of PUBS, you'll be happier. You're not special or above everyone else because YOU want something, don't treat others like trash because they're not playing the way you want them to.

[SirSlapAlot]

Originally posted by No1Eye:

Originally posted by SirSlapAlot:

i think we need to understand this
if 1 person doesn't stab their lich, it affects all other 3 people if they want to try a combination as their liches would be blocked
If 1 person stabs their lich but the other 3 doesn't want to stab their lich, it wouldn't affect the others at all

U see how one causes trouble for the other 3 and one doesn't? that's the main reason why i think stabbing your lich (or thrall farming) should be a thing people should do in general.

It's like if your bringing an intact to a rad share and asking the other to play solo because u want to use an intact instead of you leaving

and i think you need to understand that you are in a public run and people will do as they want, and not as you want, no matter how you spin it around.
go solo, or form your own team, your issue is solved.

stop whining about how people decide to play in public runs, for their reasons this is how they play, they might want to kill the lich, they might not want to do so, for their reasons, again, which they do not have to explain to you or anyone else, for that matter.

don't run in public when you want to face your own lich, for your reasons, so you don't have to face those issues.
but, you cannot dictate or force the other 3 players to do what you want.

at least, up to a point DE does something about it.
coz they will do something about it, for sure.


EDIT:
if you cannot handle your lich on solo, well tough luck dude.
if your lich is rank 5, due to burning out your attempts without actually figuring out the place of a just revealed req mod, coz you are backing up that theory of yours, then, tough luck.

but, if you go smart about it, you can kill your lich while being rank 2-3, max 4 and only with 3-4 attempts, depending on how lucky you are when doing an attempt, after you revealed a req mod.
otherwise, just form your own team to help you out.
at least, up to a point DE does something about it.

I don't mean that killing your lich is a must do situation. Apologies that i didn't note down my viewpoint clearly from the start
Please kill your lich if you don't intend on force spawning/converting thralls

and of course with the same mindset that you can't control what happens in pubs, Leeches are somewhat the same situation. Since de hasn't added a way of kicking squad mates, leeches are able to afk inside a hydron with a limbo permanently staying in rift. Should they leech? of course not. But can they leech? unfortunately yes.

I don't care too much if you don't kill your lich since co-op makes lich hunts feel much better since i've got more variation than running with a saryn repeating 1-leftclick-4 through the entire mission. And also playing solo lich hunting feels really lonely.

And also lvl 5 liches missions are really nothing considering how much powercreep is in the game. I've already gotten myself a kuva brakk and it's two shotting everything within 10 meters.

my idea of a good solution to this issue? allow liches to despawn/run away in co-op. If the squad downs the lich 10 times in a row i'm pretty sure at that point the owner doesn't really want to stab it. And this won't affect thrall farming as much since after sometime it just stops spawning for some reason (For my pub/premades atleast)

[Moss]

ive been trying to get the mod [fass] to kill my lich for days now . its taken so much of me its not even funny any more i have plenty of all the other mods for the parazon blade just not [fass] an the relic that drops them req3 is the only one i cant get ether lol

[Mdgrim]

Originally posted by Moss:

ive been trying to get the mod [fass] to kill my lich for days now . its taken so much of me its not even funny any more i have plenty of all the other mods for the parazon blade just not [fass] an the relic that drops them req3 is the only one i cant get ether lol

Uh, why don't you just trade one of your duplicates to someone who does have what you're looking for?

[No_Quarter]

Originally posted by SirSlapAlot:

my idea of a good solution to this issue? allow liches to despawn/run away in co-op. If the squad downs the lich 10 times in a row i'm pretty sure at that point the owner doesn't really want to stab it. And this won't affect thrall farming as much since after sometime it just stops spawning for some reason (For my pub/premades atleast)

"sometime" when they stop spawning is longer than 10 downs of the Lich, so does not really scale well.

Tho I agree that if Lich is FULLY ignored it should ♥♥♥♥ off and leave, so if entire squad ignores the Lich and moves on with their life for certain period of time then Lich should extract. Think it should be 3-5 minutes window of not hitting a Lich once before it considers an extraction.
Cause some objectives may be a priority, we do not want instant extraction of Lich.

That way Lich farmers who do it for Thralls can do it and if they don't then you will get your wish.

Fair game for everyone.

[Korii]

Do even 2 Liches spawn in one Missions anyways???

[Marksthecylon]

Originally posted by NeoKorii:

Do even 2 Liches spawn in one Missions anyways???

They do. Just not at the same time.

[Korii]

Hm okay, but keeping Lich alive until you have all 3 mods is the most effectiv way to do it...

Well it doesnt take ling anyways...

2h per Lich is average

[GunsForBucks]

1. Most people who play don't come to the forums unless they have problems with the game not working.

2. Most people have no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue how these systems even work! Even those here talking about it seem unsure exactly how things work... you expect casual players who knew nothing about the system before it came into the game to know what is "best"?

Frankly you are better off beating your head against the wall.

[No_Quarter]

Originally posted by NeoKorii:

Hm okay, but keeping Lich alive until you have all 3 mods is the most effectiv way to do it...

Well it doesnt take ling anyways...

2h per Lich is average

Arguable.

Cause of random spawns, so when you have 1 word you should place it first in line and after Thralls stop spawning try it. If it works you know the place and you got a chance to guess second mod by chance, if it does not you know it's in one of other slots.

When you find out second word do the same thing, trial and error.

Cause it also takes time to learn the combination of mods and that requires attempts on random spawns, it is more efficient to make use of those spawns as you unlock each word.

Actual rotations of mods depend on what you find out, if 1-st word you learned is first in line then second word goes in second for the attempt, if none of them are firs then once you learn 3-rd word you know position of 1 mod 100% and other two are 50-50.

Basic logical task of excluding the possibilities with attempts.

[Ghin]

killing your lich can be a bit easier said than done when it has slash immunity, massive armor, teleport, and a giant aoe rad/viral proc that causes your allies to kill you.

[Hiirios]

i can understand if you want to farm thralls. the thing is that many ignor them too and just do the mission objective and run to extract. not to mention that the thralls around the lich stop spawning after some time.
the biggest problem is that i (like many others) would like to have my lich spawn and have a chance to kill it or get the murmurs for trying to.

thralls farm = ok
ignoring everything around the lich including thralls and activly hindering other peoples liches to spawn when they want to try their luck with it = not ok

i had it happen multiple times now that i knew the order of my 3 mods and just waited for my lich to spawn just for another to spawn and be ignored while i think "my lich would've spawned in this mission. now i have to wait all because of the one arse who runs to extract while us other 3 are here fighting and would like to kill our lich."

the best way to solve it would be giving the lich a timer until he despawns when he is ignored by the person who it belongs to. but i have no idea if de would add a feature like that