Please kill your lich when he spawns

[SirSlapAlot]

There can only be one lich active at a time so your blocking everyone else who might want their lich to spawn

[talkingmute]

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引用自 talkingmute：

I don't like playing with Saryns because they basically kill a whole map with the push of a button.

Been that way for a while, is it still an issue? Yes. Do I demand anyone who plays Saryn play THEIR game solo? No.

does playing saryn stop other players progress too?

Sigh... Don't like what people do in pubs? Don't do pubs.

And yes, in survs a Saryn can basically end the game for everyone else by making LS not drop. Your problem isn't any different just because it's you who doesn't like something.

[No_Quarter]

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引用自 No_Quarter：

public thrall hunting is boosted when any Lich spawns. Stabbing it stops that so there is a reason to keep it.

Not to mention that when Lich reaches rank 5 it's pain in the ♥♥♥♥ to deal with it so stabbing Lich before you know at least 1 mod and you have that mod lined up first in your Parazon build is not efficient.

You got one mod then try, fail means it's on 2-nd or 3-rd slot, success means well it's there, once you unlock second mod try with it placed depending on your first discovery and once you learn 3-rd mod you know location of at least one mod in your Parazon so it takes maximum of 2 more attempts to kill it.

I would rather deal with Rank 4 one than Rank 5, Rank 5 Lich is only if you are really unlucky cause once you learn 2 mods and at least one of them is 1-st in line then you got the full combination and you are only fighting Rank 3 Lich once you obtain that knowledge of 3-rd mod.

so while YOU may want one outcome - chances are 3 other people do not.

For your own Lich go solo or with friends.

exactly. if you want to keep your lich alive, go solo or with friends.

let's talk odds.

you need over a hundred of Thralls to learn which requiem mods you need

Once you do learn all 3 of them you only need one or two runs to kill Lich depending on how lucky you are, basically 50-50.

Statistically people are more likely to care about farming Thralls than killing their Lich which means that if you group up with random 3 people chances are all 3 of them are there to farm Thralls, and there is higher chance of you being there for the very same thing and not to kill a Lich.

So if you come in expecting that odd case scenario where all 4 players want to kill their Lich you are in for a rough time cause that may happen once everyyyyy...... 100k matches?

And match where all 3 players just happen to want to do exactly what you want them to - aka carry you and DPS your Lich cause you cannot do it your self then chances are it will happen only few times per year on all servers.

I'd go with best case scenario, use public runs for quick Murmur then go solo to kill it and eliminate odds of other Liches spawning. It's math, if you go solo to farm Thralls and public to get carried vs the Lich then you are doing something terribly wrong in this game. Hope your suggestion was not genuine but rather a troll one or just a mad vent cause you wanted squad to automatically assume all your wishes and desires.... like.... like you have no options to leave a match you dislike? Instead it makes sense to force people into certain thing that's mathematically NOT gonna happen

[Sceles]

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引用自 SirSlapAlot：

Liches spawning forces extra spawns and i think it converts nearby grineer

Are we talking about thralls? From what I've seen between doing solo and pubs it doesn't make a difference; They spawn at around if not at the same rate.

It does. I know for certain because two or three patches ago those extra spawns used to be status immune. It was very apparent that it was the presence of the lich that caused them to spawn. Some people even farmed them by keeping the lich downed, there was no limit to how many of them you could get to spawn.

[No_Quarter]

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引用自 talkingmute：

Are we talking about thralls? From what I've seen between doing solo and pubs it doesn't make a difference; They spawn at around if not at the same rate.

It does. I know for certain because two or three patches ago those extra spawns used to be status immune. It was very apparent that it was the presence of the lich that caused them to spawn. Some people even farmed them by keeping the lich downed, there was no limit to how many of them you could get to spawn.

Now with Lich present they stop spawning at about 5 minute mark, sometimes a bit longer but not much.

Still number of them is higher than on runs where Lich does not spawn, and once Thralls stop spawning you can try your mods on Lich cause you also get Murmur for that if you fail (worth about 10 Thralls)

[SirSlapAlot]

Sometimes they don't even lure the grineer near the lich and just straight up everything with a mesa or saryn so that there isn't even any thrall spawns. I perfectly understand if you're trying to increase thrall spawns but they aren't even letting grineer near the lich to be converted

[No_Quarter]

引用自 SirSlapAlot：

Sometimes they don't even lure the grineer near the lich and just straight up everything with a mesa or saryn so that there isn't even any thrall spawns. I perfectly understand if you're trying to increase thrall spawns but they aren't even letting grineer near the lich to be converted

are they getting converted or spawned? Cause I get them spawned way too far from the Lich to call it a conversion, think engine has like 150m draw distance for enemies and Thralls spawn in that area around player or players, if players are too far then game creates to individual instances.

Would love to test it for murmur farm, all 4 players every each one very far from each other. Each instance should spawn it's own Thralls, just question is if each instance is treated as full squad instance or is it "smart" to determine how many players are there.

[Maggie]

Stop whining and go solo yourself, nobody is forcing you to play with other people.

[Kado]

引用自 SirSlapAlot：

There's no point in not killing your lich at this point
I've got no idea why u won't stab him

Firstly: Stabbing it makes it level up. And personally I would very much like to avoid leveling it up unless I have to.
Secondly: The xp gained by the extra thralls it spawns outweighs the xp gained by stabbing it

[No1Eye]

引用自 SirSlapAlot：

There can only be one lich active at a time so your blocking everyone else who might want their lich to spawn

then, when you are going up against your lich for an attempt or to vanquish/convert him, go solo, or form your own team if you cannot handle him solo.

but, if you are in public runs, expect people to play as they want and not as you want.
you cannot force or beg anyone to kill or not kill their lich.
for their reasons, they might not want to do so.

[Skine]

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public thrall hunting is boosted when any Lich spawns. Stabbing it stops that so there is a reason to keep it.

Not to mention that when Lich reaches rank 5 it's pain in the ♥♥♥♥ to deal with it so stabbing Lich before you know at least 1 mod and you have that mod lined up first in your Parazon build is not efficient.

You got one mod then try, fail means it's on 2-nd or 3-rd slot, success means well it's there, once you unlock second mod try with it placed depending on your first discovery and once you learn 3-rd mod you know location of at least one mod in your Parazon so it takes maximum of 2 more attempts to kill it.

I would rather deal with Rank 4 one than Rank 5, Rank 5 Lich is only if you are really unlucky cause once you learn 2 mods and at least one of them is 1-st in line then you got the full combination and you are only fighting Rank 3 Lich once you obtain that knowledge of 3-rd mod.

so while YOU may want one outcome - chances are 3 other people do not.

For your own Lich go solo or with friends.

exactly. if you want to keep your lich alive, go solo or with friends.

Or the people that want to fight it go solo

[talkingmute]

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Or the people that want to fight it go solo

Yes, 3 players ask to parazon it, 1 player refuses. Obviously best call is for those 3 players to go solo in mp game.

Yes, it is the best call to make for those 3 to go solo or find a group. Getting upset because someone isn't playing the way you want them to when a in pubs is ridiculous.

You don't get to go around making choices for other people when it has no effect on you just because you find it inconvenient. I honestly don't get what you don't understand what people have been saying of if you don't like what people do in pubs, don't play in pubs.

That's also kind of like me saying if you don't use all rad relics, don't do pubs, see how ridiculous that is?

[SirSlapAlot]

i think we need to understand this
if 1 person doesn't stab their lich, it affects all other 3 people if they want to try a combination as their liches would be blocked
If 1 person stabs their lich but the other 3 doesn't want to stab their lich, it wouldn't affect the others at all

U see how one causes trouble for the other 3 and one doesn't? that's the main reason why i think stabbing your lich (or thrall farming) should be a thing people should do in general.

It's like if your bringing an intact to a rad share and asking the other to play solo because u want to use an intact instead of you leaving

[talkingmute]

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引用自 talkingmute：

Yes, it is the best call to make for those 3 to go solo or find a group. Getting upset because someone isn't playing the way you want them to when a in pubs is ridiculous.

You don't get to go around making choices for other people when it has no effect on you just because you find it inconvenient. I honestly don't get what you don't understand what people have been saying of if you don't like what people do in pubs, don't play in pubs.

That's also kind of like me saying if you don't use all rad relics, don't do pubs, see how ridiculous that is?

It has no effect? It literally effects all other 3 players. Ignoring problem/going solo is not what should be a solution.

So if you don't bring a rad relic, you need to NOT do fissures because it effects me?

Well, you opening a intact rather than a rad impacts the rest of the squad than not killing a lich does.

引用自 SirSlapAlot：

It's like if your bringing an intact to a rad share and asking the other to play solo because u want to use an intact instead of you leaving

At that point it's no longer a pub, it's an lfg. If you're in a rad share group you should be using a rad...

Just like how you can join a lich mercy-kill group, you should kill (try) your lich.

Once again, lfg rad share everyone should be using rads. PUBS fissure or PUBS lich, you shouldn't upset if other people don't play the way you want them to.

Once again, we're talking about PUBS.

[SirSlapAlot]

引用自 SirSlapAlot：

i think we need to understand this
if 1 person doesn't stab their lich, it affects all other 3 people if they want to try a combination as their liches would be blocked
If 1 person stabs their lich but the other 3 doesn't want to stab their lich, it wouldn't affect the others at all

U see how one causes trouble for the other 3 and one doesn't? that's the main reason why i think stabbing your lich (or thrall farming) should be a thing people should do in general.

It's like if your bringing an intact to a rad share and asking the other to play solo because u want to use an intact instead of you leaving

Please do reply to this as i want to know what your opinion on it and maybe other people's

[Taddy Mason]

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引用自 Skine：

Or the people that want to fight it go solo

Yes, 3 players ask to parazon it, 1 player refuses. Obviously best call is for those 3 players to go solo in mp game.

The best call is for DE to allow everyone’s lich to potentially spawn in the same mission. This stuff is SUPPOSED to be hard. What’s more of a challenge? One lich or 4? Plus then it makes this entire thread irrelevant and everyone gets what they want: options.

I’ve been wanting DE to let syndicate enemies, the Stalker, Grustrag Tres, and everyone else who can invade missions to potentially pop up in the same missions together. Solo, none of them are much of a challenge, but if you got invaded by a combination of 2 or more....well that could be interesting.