There's no point in Umbral Forma

[Wintermute]

I slapped first one on Mesa more out of vanity than anything. Now I'm sitting on the second one, and asking myself - where do I put it? Chroma? He deals insane damage as he is just fine. Rhino? Same. Saryn?

At least, with other endgame rewards you get something to, potentially, help you with said endgame (let's pretend it's not piss-easy without them). Arbitrations and Adaptation. Eidolons and amps. Profit Taker and that one useful archgun mod it drops.

Where the hell do I put Umbral Forma though, and what for? Everything is OPAF as it is. There's literally 0 point in it, outside of memes.

[[Meyo]Frakura]

Umbra mods is better than corrupted since there is no downside.

[BurlsoL]

Saving mine till more umbral mods are added. Then it will likely make more sense.

[talkingmute]

Yeah you're basically right, slapping one on so you can put on umbra versions of Intensify and Vitality is pretty pedantic (but we're all going to do it, just because).

For me umbra forma should never have been a thing, Umbra Excal was special and unique. Now the whole umbra thing is just another way to make something more powerful (that we don't need).

Now I'm hearing people talk about Umbra Echos, what's next? Some kind of hard cc, AOE, "kill everything" ability/equipment that can be given to all frames? Don't forget we already got Magus Lockdown recently, might be getting Umbra Echos, where are they going from here?

[BurlsoL]

Originally posted by talkingmute:

Now I'm hearing people talk about Umbra Echos, what's next? Some kind of hard cc, AOE, "kill everything" ability/equipment that can be given to all frames? Don't forget we already got Magus Lockdown recently, might be getting Umbra Echos, where are they going from here?

My understanding was that Umbral echos was something they were thinking of adding that would allow other frames to follow around your <spoiler> like Umbra currently does. This idea has currently been shelved indefinitely since it effectively provides no benefit to people who actively play the game.

[No_Quarter]

Originally posted by NITRO:

Originally posted by MeyoFrakura:

Umbra mods is better than corrupted since there is no downside.

Too bad the only umbra mods we have work only with a few warframes and in a few builds. It's too damn niche and almost pointless.

Pretty much, gaining few % of armor, health, or ability strength does not really have too much effect.
Example being that Inaros cannot die with 5k HP, slapping 3 Umbral mods to reach 8k HP does not make him much better if any.
Chroma being able to get like few % more ability strength, wow, gaining +50% damage over already existing 900%, much buff....

Point of Umbral Forma was to add value to Nightwave series. I feel that there is no other tangible point as builds without Umbral Forma are 99.99% of what you can do as you can already freely slap 2 Umbral Mods and have strong mods in your build if you dedicate your self to polarizing every slot apart from umbral ones.

I can only see it's value as if you really like a particular warframe and in that scenario yes, that small benefit will be felt and you will enjoy making your warframe more unique. So it's more. about perceived value of it than something you can "feel with your fingers".
You will see that higher buff from Chroma but you still need same number of shots against Hydrolist.

Arguably Oberon gets highest benefit as he needs all 3 stats Umbral Mods offer, Nidus is there too, and both are more than strong enough to handle anything even without that forma. Inaros 8k is a meme so I'd not waste it there. Guess Wukong Prime is a legit candidate if someone likes him that much. On paper Atlas too but who the ♥♥♥♥ uses him....

Candidates are warframes who benefit from 2+ Umbral mods and they also need to benefit from high capacity corrupted and similar mods like Adaptation, Energy Conversion etc. If you see a room opening by putting Umbral Forma then threre is a benefit

But I'd wait for New War to begin as we may see Umbral Mods for primaries and secondaries or maybe even archwing, who knows with Railjack and New War as those will impact the game quite a bit more than any open world launch.

I appreciate using Umbral Fiber and Umbral Intensify on my Nezha as I get extra survivability and a bit higher damage buff. But that's only because I like Nezha a lot, it is about 10% more HP for Halo and overall it means nothing, I just like him being buffed as much as I can do it. I do not see a benefit from Umbral Forma on him tho, no mods in my build can be replaced with higher capacity ones that will give me any benefit.

[Pakaku]

Originally posted by No_Quarter:

But I'd wait for New War to begin as we may see Umbral Mods for primaries and secondaries or maybe even archwing, who knows with Railjack and New War as those will impact the game quite a bit more than any open world launch.

The problem with that is umbral mods have a huge drain, like prime mods. So adding more mods leads to more situations where you're less likely to use them because they're too expensive, unless DE starts adding more ways to get Umbral Forma or adds cheaper mods. Otherwise you're stuck with building more 5/6 forma loadouts, and even they may not even give you enough room to throw on potentially new umbral mods without the umbra forma.

[Caidezes]

Oberon is the only frame you should even use the Umbral mods on, let alone the Umbral forma.

[Syad]

Nah, umbral formas are fine. They are just to darn expensive, so you really are considering the cost factor here. Most frames benefit from an umral forma simply because umbral intensify is a direct upgrade from regular intensify. And umbral vitality+intensify is even better.

[vid23]

i remember how people were mad at DE for only giving us 1 and now we have people who get mad at them because they gave one more
alright

[FRIENDLY MAN]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

I slapped first one on Mesa more out of vanity than anything. Now I'm sitting on the second one, and asking myself - where do I put it? Chroma? He deals insane damage as he is just fine. Rhino? Same. Saryn?

At least, with other endgame rewards you get something to, potentially, help you with said endgame (let's pretend it's not ♥♥♥♥-easy without them). Arbitrations and Adaptation. Eidolons and amps. Profit Taker and that one useful archgun mod it drops.

Where the hell do I put Umbral Forma though, and what for? Everything is OPAF as it is. There's literally 0 point in it, outside of memes.

There's also no real endgame, so you are never put in a situation where such a thing would help. All the content is easy, or just cheap "here's a drone that makes everything invincible, here's an aura that stops abilities" ♥♥♥♥ that doesn't test your builds. So every new addition is just an alternate (and usually worse) way to play existing mindless content. Even without an umbral forma Chroma Prime can equip all the umbral mods. DE has no idea how to expand the game with substantive lasting content, specifically content that appeals to veterans.

[Ghin]

this thread is proof that you guys will complain about literally anything

[RogueSoldier]

Originally posted by Ghin:

this thread is proof that you guys will complain about literally anything

^This

If you don't like it oh well. I have use for mine on Saryn P and like it. I welcome any more umbra forma for more builds in the future.

[No_Quarter]

Originally posted by Pakaku:

Originally posted by No_Quarter:

But I'd wait for New War to begin as we may see Umbral Mods for primaries and secondaries or maybe even archwing, who knows with Railjack and New War as those will impact the game quite a bit more than any open world launch.

The problem with that is umbral mods have a huge drain, like prime mods. So adding more mods leads to more situations where you're less likely to use them because they're too expensive, unless DE starts adding more ways to get Umbral Forma or adds cheaper mods. Otherwise you're stuck with building more 5/6 forma loadouts, and even they may not even give you enough room to throw on potentially new umbral mods without the umbra forma.

But that would actually reset the mistake of adding Umbral Forma to begin with and return word "sacrifice" to quest named Sacrifice as it is meant to be, well, a sacrifice.

You trade one thing to get another, if benefit from using any umbral mod outweight amount of forma you need to do or sacrifices you have to make in terms of modding, eg use Augur Reach instead of Stretch to get enough capacity - then you can use them.

Umbral Forma was not added to benefit the game, it was a solution introduced to raise the value of Nightwave. Devs were explicit on never introducing Umbral Forma yet when situation called they needed that in Nightwave cause now everyone and their dogs want to get it even those ACTUAL benefit from it is minor.

I do not see the game stopping with 5 Umbral Mods (aka umbral and sacrificial set), there are no reasons for other weapon classes not to get it and if they'll get it at any point it's gonna be with resolving the Lotus thingy and going into a New War for which those mods are made for - to resist and damage Tau. Because new set of cinematic quests are coming, they are resolving this Lotus thing and moving on.

I only said "I'd wait" - no one has to. I see no reason to use Umbral Forma and more than anything I wish DE never introduces more umbral forma's per time played.

[No_Quarter]

Originally posted by RogueSoldier:

Originally posted by Ghin:

this thread is proof that you guys will complain about literally anything

^This

If you don't like it oh well. I have use for mine on Saryn P and like it. I welcome any more umbra forma for more builds in the future.

bet a lot of people used that on toxic 4 spamming lady, will be fun to see tears and rage when she gets nerfed

[Leoscar]

Ideally I'd put it on something that benefits from high armor and power strengh to not waste a mod. Not sure what though. Chroma is boring, Mesa is brain dead to play, Rhino isn't appealing to play for me, a bit too straightforward. I still haven't found my main and have quite a few frames I need to build. The ones I like are more utilitary and squishy, so that sucks.