Why is Limbo so hated?

[In&Out]

I just started with this game and out of all warframes I loved Limbo's design the most. But after searching stuff here about how to unlock/play him, I stumbled upon a lot of comments in the vein of "just don't", "level him up and never touch him again" etc.
But most of those comments are at least half a year old, so I thought I'd check.
So, is he that bad? Is he too hard to master and therefore useless, unless you're a pro? Is it at all possible for a new player to play him at least semi-effectively?

[MaRRR]

true shizzle - im limbo main <3 hes some of the littest all arounders- can freeze big areas - just a few enemys - or u can use the cataclysm for dmg - u can make teammates invicible with rift -.- man limbo is the most allrounder and is hated for nothing -.- i dont understand it aswell

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Diposting pertama kali oleh quanhitter69:

well, when limbo came out, you could use his banish ability to make it so your teammates couldn't hurt any enemies or interact with anything for the entire duration of the ability, and a lot of people would build for max duration and troll, as there was no way to escape banish at the time. they fixed it, and now he's really not that bad. press 4, press 2, win. i think that's it, lol

Diposting pertama kali oleh Grim:

Limbo is one of the best defensive frames in the game.

There were some legitimate reasons to hate him back when Stasis froze friendly bullets. Now, the only reason usually stems from inexperienced players banishing enemies without going into the rift to kill them. Some people get bent out of shape if your Cataclysm bubble is anything but the absolute smallest, but just ignore them. You'll go insane trying to appease randoms, so just build however is most effective for your job.

The only other thing I've run into is when a newbie won't get away from the defense target in public sorties. Even after explaining that they need to move away to avoid getting banished, they stay in the way and then rage in chat about how I'm being a troll for banishing them. Any complaints are still rare, in my experience.

These 2 answer your question

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Rex Brigador:

Personally I hate Limbo and anyone who chooses to play it because it simply removes all of the gameplay. Completely.

Oh, enemies can't shoot... or move... and there's an annoying binary zone where you have to be inside to hurt thise inside, outside to hurt those outside.

As someone who just wants to play the game instead of AFKing or dealing with this additional annoyance just to get what little gameplay is left with a Limbo around... I hate it.

Anyone who likes Limbo just has forgotten that the game is here to be played not to hoard virtual resources or beat a checklist of things to do. Limbo is the exact opposite of playing the game.

Limbo takes only the area around a defense target. Enemies are coming from multiple directions and literally every player runs around the map on IO, Helene and Hydron, limbo or not. A Limbo with no additional range will only freeze any enemies trying to attack the defense target. Frost. Does. Literally. Almost. The. Same. Thing except worse

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Summer Fish:

Limbo takes only the area around a defense target. Enemies are coming from multiple directions and literally every player runs around the map on IO, Helene and Hydron, limbo or not. A Limbo with no additional range will only freeze any enemies trying to attack the defense target. Frost. Does. Literally. Almost. The. Same. Thing except worse

how many times you've seen limbo with no additional range in those maps? as far as i remember that only happens if limbo rolls to rift and afk leeches. or even better, why would you even need cataclysm in those missions in the first place?

Almost every limbo there had max duration, not range.
Only one limbo didn't have anything of that, but it was only because his limbo was rank 5 or so and he didn't know how to use him properly. You do want a cataclysm there, as if everyone is just running around the map then a mass of enemies can pile up on the defense target and nobody will even notice. Countless of times I looked at the defense target HP as a rhino and its shields went down and HP was around 14k. All because people run off straight to where enemies spawn, but there are more spawns than players.
Limbo prevents that. Plus, passive energy tegen is something great as well, especially if you don't have zenurik's energizing dash. Even better if you have it, because they get combined. I will take limbo over frost any day.

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Diposting pertama kali oleh in:

players stay 10 rounds, max 20 in those maps. enemies don't even have enough dps to destroy defense target. well, unless all team is full of leeches who afk and are afraid to kill a single mob.. only limbo build remotely useful there is max range + good str/eff who spam kills all map. otherwise it's useless and in most situations people use it to bypass gameplay/leech. in theory, sure, he can be great in specific situations, but people dislike it because of what they actually stumble onto in practice.

What about sortie defense? Limbo can banish the walking dude so he can't get damaged by anything. Mobile defense? Limbo. Even spy missions are cheesed by limbo.

only limbo build remotely useful there is max range + good str/eff who spam kills all map

Then it leads to the same case as with saryn. Nothing to kill. Limbo does all the nuking. Game is boring and turns into a waiting game

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Summer Fish:

What about sortie defense? Limbo can banish the walking dude so he can't get damaged by anything. Mobile defense? Limbo. Even spy missions are cheesed by limbo.


Then it leads to the same case as with saryn. Nothing to kill. Limbo does all the nuking. Game is boring and turns into a waiting game

and why banish when you can bring nukers who speed up kps and target doesn't even need protection + you finish missions faster? add in speedva, buffs. what's the point for limbo in there. well, except the fact that in sortie defenses limbos often come to leech good xp, cause hydron afk is slower.
the only sortie mission i can see limbo actually contributing is rescue sortie with randoms who take hour to get to evac while dragging rescue target into hordes of enemies..

On pubs I literally never get a nuke frame, so limbo helps greatly. Limbo leeches are only the minority of limbo users. Report them, record. I don't know do whatever you want with them. Speedva is not great on sortie defense, as the target has very low health as opposed to a normal immobile defense target. There's one thing good though. You can revive him forever, but literally almost nobody sees the "Ahh Tenno they got me help" message on the left

[Caidezes]

The fact people are still complaining about Limbo but hardly anyone does so about the nuke frames in comparison is baffling. Nuke frames can mess your playstyle up way more than Limbo. Hell, you don't even need to play the game at all if there's a Saryn around in most cases.

So it seems less like people are annoyed they have to play differently and more like they're annoyed they have to play at all whenever I see folks really going in on the Limbo complaints specifically.

[Animus]

I used to main Limbo.

What I experienced was that most players are too dumb to understand how his powers work and therefore just complain that he's a troll frame.

Cataclysm and Banish are the abilities that get the most hate, but they are actually pretty awesome for defensive purposes.

With Banish you can kill enemies and protect targets (and other Frames) from getting attacked. The best usage of this ability you get by hitting a friendly drone or prisoner to be saved, this way they're invulnerable for the duration of Banish. Frames hit by it that doesn't want to be in the rift can just make a roll and they're fine.

Cataclysm basically banishes a whole area into the rift, and creatures within can't affect the outside and vice versa. Combined with Stasis this means that every friendly unit within Cataclysm is unkillable, since enemies that enter will be stopped immediately.
It's great for defending stationary targets, but it will prevent people from using consoles or destroying caches within, (what follows might be a spoiler for the story of the game. You're warned) if they don't switch into the operator, who can't be rifted and is therefore able to affect (and be affected by) the outside world from within the Cataclysm

Limbo itself can shift into the rift by using his "roll" (which is just a faster step foreward for him) which leaves behind a small rift that other frames can follow you into if they like. Other Frames will get out of the rift after a while but Limbo can stay there indefinitely. This combined with the fact that he can revive fallen friends from within the rift make him actually a great support frame.

If you've got the energy and range for it, you can use the Cataclysm bubble to hit huge areas and destroy caches/kill enemies within it in the blink of an eye. Rinse and repeat for tougher enemies. Best thing about it: you don't have to leave the rift at all.

[Spartykins]

generally if a limbo is trolling I go spoiler mode to frag

it works

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Spartykins:

generally if a limbo is trolling I go spoiler mode to frag

it works

And you still are invincible!

[Honor Guard]

Limbo has always to a degree been useful

I would argue one of the best support frames for casters (Since you can use ANY ability in the rift without issue,hit either side,in or out of the rift,example a excal could use exalted blade and be basicly given god mode while able to hit ANYTHING)


But I will have to argee with the whole nuke frames since the DPS at moment needs to be tuned as well as enemy HP and such

Diposting pertama kali oleh Caidezes:

The fact people are still complaining about Limbo but hardly anyone does so about the nuke frames in comparison is baffling. Nuke frames can mess your playstyle up way more than Limbo. Hell, you don't even need to play the game at all if there's a Saryn around in most cases.

So it seems less like people are annoyed they have to play differently and more like they're annoyed they have to play at all whenever I see folks really going in on the Limbo complaints specifically.

[Timeraider]

The rifts (wether the small ones of his ultimate one) are mostly an annoyance to both enemies as well as friends. I have no use for a defensive field if i cant hit enemies outside of it

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Timeraider:

The rifts (wether the small ones of his ultimate one) are mostly an annoyance to both enemies as well as friends. I have no use for a defensive field if i cant hit enemies outside of it

That just means you need to adapt your playstyle, which isn't unreasonable to ask.
Either chill inside the bubble and play go fish with limbo - or run and gun knowing the defensive target is completely safe (while battling it out with an aggressive limbo for top kills).

[vida]

Limbo is pretty good in excavation

[Syad]

Diposting pertama kali oleh In&Out:

I just started with this game

Limbo isn't hated. But Limbo's skills affect others and when played by an inexperienced player, he helps the enemy more than his own team. Same problem with Frost.