Atlas Prime Landslide building logic

[No_Quarter]

Atlas Prime's weapon is Tekko Prime, 30% cc, 26% sc.

Landslide, 5% cc, 5% sc.

We are all aware that Atlas Prime is not gonna sell well, tho DE could have at least gave it some thought.
Converting one punch into crit would work just fine, reduce base damage, increase critical potential and building it makes sense. But nah, it's better to make it hard to build when warframe is super not popular to begin with

[Walrus-Sama]

They really should have released Nezha Prime instead and held off Atlas until they actually fix him.

[Hawk]

Considering that his fists are worse the Kora and Gara I'd say DE should have known better then to just released his prime without any sort of fix or upgrade other then pathetic increases to his base stats. Then add the fact that he does impact damage, which is arguably the worst damage type in the game. I had a feeling DE would drop the ball but I didn't expect them to drop it this hard. A shame really.

[No_Quarter]

引用自 Walrus-Sama：

They really should have released Nezha Prime instead and held off Atlas until they actually fix him.

I agree, not because Nezha is my favorite warframe but because in current state he is ready to be primed, unlike Atlas who is clunky, hard to build, hard to make melee build with him....

imo easy fix would be converting Landslide to critical punch, reducing energy required for his 3-rd ability and making rubble last more than nanosecond. There are 0 risks of making Atlas broken or him breaking the game, people will still level him up and go back to clicking 4 with Saryn.
Pushing his survivability to insane levels would make people use him, he is quite tanky as is, just clunky so he is not worth it.

What I proposed would work in terms of making him at least fun to play, next level would be SOME sort of scaling for Rumblers, like, let them have 3 second invulnerability, convert damage taken into their HP and damage multiplier. Easy lazy solution, change few digits and copy/paste what we got with Harrow's 4 and change value from <critical chance> to <HP> <dmg>. Take 2 hotfixes to balance it out.

There you go, fun Atlas for ya!

引用自 Hawk：

Considering that his fists are worse the Kora and Gara I'd say DE should have known better then to just released his prime without any sort of fix or upgrade other then pathetic increases to his base stats. I had a feeling DE would drop the ball but I didn't expect them to drop it this hard. A shame really.

I assume that they were caught in the middle of Melee 3.0 and Railjack and someone just went "♥♥♥♥ it" and that's how we got Atlas prime. Not just from development pov, but from resource management pov - no matter how much they buff him he is very unlikely to make any profit so it is better to focus on stuff that has an actual chance to get players in and get money in.

They could have applied what I suggested above in couple of work hours, technology for it is in the game.

So it comes down to them not giving a ♥♥♥♥ at the moment, which is likely justified. No one was hyped for Atlas anyway, we are all sitting waiting for Railjack.

Thought that came to my mind is - DE went balls deep with Chroma Prime and Mesa Prime access' , both have sick op weapons with them that power creep the living ♥♥♥♥ out of the entire game, Rubico, Redeemer, Gram, Akjagara. They knew Wukong and Atlas won't sell for ♥♥♥♥ so they decided to compensate loses on another front. Which goes well with the story of them just being aware that Atlas is not worth the resources.

But that does not go well with why they did not switch Nezha in.

[Hawk]

His rock armor needs a huff as well, it not very sustainable and takes far too much effort to get it maxed out and even more work and energy to keep up. And forget it if there are nullify bubbles anywhere. His kit is just bad which hurts to say.

[No_Quarter]

引用自 Hawk：

His rock armor needs a huff as well, it not very sustainable and takes far too much effort to get it maxed out and even more work and energy to keep up. And forget it if there are nullify bubbles anywhere. His kit is just bad which hurts to say.

less energy required for 3 and more duration for rubble is a decent quick fix, Nullifiers work the same for ALL warframes so that is not an argument.

[Pakaku]

引用自 No_Quarter：

But that does not go well with why they did not switch Nezha in.

Because despite them both being "Chinaframes", the release order was actually Atlas > Wukong > Ivara > Nehza, so technically Atlas was next in line either way

I would be expecting Ivara Prime next unless DE has some special reason to shake up the release date orders yet again

[Hawk]

引用自 No_Quarter：

引用自 Hawk：

His rock armor needs a huff as well, it not very sustainable and takes far too much effort to get it maxed out and even more work and energy to keep up. And forget it if there are nullify bubbles anywhere. His kit is just bad which hurts to say.

less energy required for 3 and more duration for rubble is a decent quick fix, Nullifiers work the same for ALL warframes so that is not an argument.

Not so, for some, like nidus his stacks start ticking down, atlas loses all of his armor, correct? It's honestly been a while since I actively tried to keep the rock armor on while playing with him so I don't remember if you get stripped or counts down.

Another thing that would help his kit is making his # 4 golems act more like the celestial twin AI, plus if they could gain damage the more rock armor you put on. Something so that his 4 isn't completely relegated to lower level content. And get rid of the duration timer.

[No_Quarter]

引用自 Hawk：

Not so, for some, like nidus his stacks start ticking down, atlas loses all of his armor, correct? r.

okay, how about Rhino? One of the most popular warframes in the game.
Nezha? Gara? Zephyr? Mesa? Octavia? Ash? Limbo? hard to mention all of them really, really no point with your argument as it is not something realistic that should happen as almost no abilities are immune from nullifiers and building warframe around fighting one enemy is bs, just aim and hit that bubble hat.

It could, but no need, Atlas has enough HP and Armor to survive such loss for a short period of time.

引用自 Pakaku：

引用自 No_Quarter：

But that does not go well with why they did not switch Nezha in.

Because despite them both being "Chinaframes", the release order was actually Atlas > Wukong > Ivara > Nehza, so technically Atlas was next in line either way

We already agreed that is indeed the fact and was suggested that Nezha was actually ready to be primed while Atlas isn't, that is why theory was discussed as it makes more sense to prime a useful warframe than a dreadful pile of clunky crap.

If we didn't agree Atlas was indeed supposed to be next then no one would mention Nezha possibly REPLACING him was a better idea, but hey, life is hard

[Hawk]

Seems like a real winner of a personality right here. Ah well, can't reason with people like this.

Completely missing the point of my suggestion but you do you. Only your suggestions matter anyway right?

[Walrus-Sama]

What's worse is Wukong's rework is pretty good. In fact it covers Atlas roles (Melee and Tank) and just does them better. Wukong can even get the same 1500 armor in a mere fraction of the time and keep it longer and more consistently. Plus Wukong has high mobility with his cloud, something Atlas lacks.

At this point Wukong is a better Atlas.

[No_Quarter]

引用自 Hawk：

Seems like a real winner of a personality right here. Ah well, can't reason with people like this.

Completely missing the point of my suggestion but you do you. Only your suggestions matter anyway right?

Nah, just don't see the point of it. I understand you want warframes to bypass Nullifiers but that's not the point sadly, Atlas even when he loses his rubble is WAY better than most warframes in nullifier's bubble because he has crapton of HP and armor to get him self out of there.

So he is far from first in line that should be taken cared of IF we were to get warframes immune to nullifiers. Rhino loses everything and he cannot survive one shot, Nezha too, Gara, Zephyr, they melt when they enter the bubble but Atlas has time to make proper decision and react as high armor gives him way over 70% damage reduction and if you already have Adaptation on him then it stacks to some insane values.

So that is my point, Atlas sucks, but when it comes down to dealing with nullifiers surprising you and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up your abilities he is in top of the class - he cannot even get knocked down if you stay on ground which is a plus there as you will not be knocked down and forced ot stay vulnerable.

You can try to reason to that, not to me. Why not make Rhino better against nullies then first?

And yes, Nidus keeps his stacks for the most part because it takes quite a bit of time to get all of them.
To cap out rubble it takes 1 or 2 minutes or casual killing, while Nidus can get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by his own team who kill stuff that's neatly packed in his 2 to get stacks.

So we are talking about totally different scales here, it is not about argument being mine, it's about what makes sense and for my side I do not see rubble and stacks being comparable.

Would be cool for sure, and I agree about that. but because of reasons stated above I find it REALLY lacking a real probability of ever being introduced.
Wouldn't hurt the balance even if it gets introduced, just lacks reasoning to get introduced. Maybe cause it's a passive but from balance pov it's nearly irrelevant and it is far from his biggest problem, as stated above, he has very high armor to begin with so he would get more benefit from making him more suitable for building than for that minor thing that never happens if you keep an eye on your surroundings and not do stupid ♥♥♥♥.

We are talking about 1 enemy out of hundreds after all.

Valkyr cries when she gets nullified as she loses HP.

[No_Quarter]

引用自 Walrus-Sama：

What's worse is Wukong's rework is pretty good. In fact it covers Atlas roles (Melee and Tank) and just does them better. Wukong can even get the same 1500 armor in a mere fraction of the time and keep it longer and more consistently. Plus Wukong has high mobility with his cloud, something Atlas lacks.

At this point Wukong is a better Atlas.

I liked Wukong's rework at first.

Then I realized they made a pleb toy, teleport while invisible and invulnerable so there are 0 risks of anything, show your self, spam slide attack in panic in circles, click 2 again.

See many people doing this "efficient" thing, do not think it should be possible to do levels like that, no risk and encourage slide macroing. So wish they would follow up on that rework and tune it up a little

But yeah, he is way better.