Just got Arca Plasmor

[Frondator]

EZ Mode engaged. You just have to run forward and left click. Huge spread, huge damage, everything dies... What were the devs thinking with this gun? There's no drawback! This thing needs to be nerfed. Smaller spread or something. I feel guilty using it. I played solo because it's embarrassing to be seen with it.

[Rutabaga]

The thing makes the killing of low level enemies borderline trivial? Who cares how it performs against high level enemies!

Nerf it, broken, OP, busted.

The few remaining Ember mains: *crying hysterically in a corner*


On a more serious note, I personally disagree with the idea that the Arca Plasmor is broken. Sure it shreds a lot of mid to lower level enemies, but what doesn't? Honestly I'd rather run other shotguns the moment you fight higher level enemies. I haven't used the thing in ages. If I want to hurl big waves of death at my enemies, I do as most others have said, and just bust out a Catchmoon Kitgun.

[EagleClaws17]

Shade/Abhor eredeti hozzászólása:

The thing makes the killing of low level enemies borderline trivial? Who cares how it performs against high level enemies!

Nerf it, broken, OP, busted.

The few remaining Ember mains: *crying hysterically in a corner*


On a more serious note, I personally disagree with the idea that the Arca Plasmor is broken. Sure it shreds a lot of mid to lower level enemies, but what doesn't? Honestly I'd rather run other shotguns the moment you fight higher level enemies. I haven't used the thing in ages. If I want to hurl big waves of death at my enemies, I do as most others have said, and just bust out a Catchmoon Kitgun.

This. Below level 30 you can literally use every weapon/warframe if you mod them properly, and about 75% of the starchart missions are below level 30, if you dont do endurance runs.

[jonnin]

no matter how good your weapon, I am sure you can find something it cannot one-shot.

[GunsForBucks]

The arca plasmor is a lot of fun if you want a bunch of high level enemies fighting each other and enjoy watching.

[Yuki]

Frastey eredeti hozzászólása:

If you want to flex your playtime to prove a point, just so you know the first 3 unique players in this thread excluding you have a playtime of 1858, 3569, 3560 hours respectively and they disagree Arca Plasmor is completely broken.

I d... have WHAT? Okay, i may overthink my priorities o_O

That said when i first got the Arca it it was the back then's Catchmoon. Its just that ever since even more weapons went into that "range".
And as for the Catchmoon: Give the pox with the new arcane a try *hinthint* ;)

Frondator eredeti hozzászólása:

This is a game about shooting bots and building your inventory to feel like a bad-ass in a video game. There are no big boy pants.

Nah, just as long as you follow whatever some random noob who accidentally found the time to make a guide defines as meta.
The moment you get into the "real most efficient tactic available" you ARE badass :P

Well, both is fine. It is about being a badass, a space ninja. hey thats what the game is about! And id rather be a space ninja from a fabled old hightech empire than a lighting farting blade ear. But the arcor also isnt...that badass. I dont need any meta weapon wielding Inaros in an Arbitration going all "lol look at ma dmg" while in fact he didnt contribute anything particularily useful to the common goal.

Damage isnt everything, this is a coop. Cooperation Game. Team synergy is everything. Being part of a TEAM that just crushes whole armies in an instant, that is badass.
Know when and how to use your fancy Arcor, but keep the rest in mind as well. It is after all- just one tool of many, for one job of several. And while killing is of course an important task, speed also isnt everything (e.g. dont bring it to a farming run, use a Khom instead). And thats me telling so, the speed fetishist who some people here called too focused on efficiency and elitism instead of just having fun.

kevinwinston4 eredeti hozzászólása:

Can arca plasmor and catchmoon kill a level 160 nox eximus in one shot?
I dont think so

As for the catchmoon: A "small" eximus is well within range of a one shot. Or a leg of a Doma Thumper. 1-2 shots with the already mentioned "proper riven".
The level 160 NOX eximus, because its a nox hence with a certain mechanic, requires 2-3 shots of the catchmoon. More from the Arca. Didnt test the Arca on that specific type, but i would guess a full magazine. I did however test the catchmoon on lvl 160 nox DEMO UNITS though, which are even more tough than an eximus, and its my second favorite tool to kill em. (#1 being whipclaw, but thats another story)

To those new to the catchmoon here is one example:
Before the catchmoon the Tigris Prime was the favorite tool of Nova players to "charge the AMD". Nova can drop a ball that can be "filled with damage" by shooting it. Once fully loaded it will change color, speed up its flying speed and- is the by far largest direct damage skill in the game. Still. A good measurement for raw damage potential imho.
So- the tigris prime was the first to be able to do so without spending half of a magazine. Eh wait, no, exactly half of a magazine, a full single shot, leading to two AMD's in rapid succession, and everything up to including Sortie level that isnt health gated (or otherwise extremely special, the Wolf comes to mind) is reduced to dust from one explosion alone.
The Arcor kinda became the second favorite for this, it is able to do so in two shots (we are talking about a time before rivens). But it has more in the mag, leading to more balls before reloading.

The catchmoon now is a weapon often build for crit. Crit weapons usually have less raw damage that is then however multiplied by the crit multiplier. Crits however dont work on the AMD.
The catchmoon's raw damage before crit even when specifically build for crit (and hence sacrificing strength) is so high, it can do so in a single shot. Not even the Arcor can. And again has a larger magazine. Now thats a LOT of AMDs flying.
And now take that the catchmoon is usually build for crit. Which simply means- its damage against most enemies can easily multiplied by another 4-6x. And then add a Riven. We where still talking about without...
Thats the level of WTF that kitgun delivers. Six digit damage numbers everywhere, goodbye tunnel full of sortie level grineer.

However this is SO true:

jonnin eredeti hozzászólása:

no matter how good your weapon, I am sure you can find something it cannot one-shot.

Doesnt even need to be a level 160 Nox Eximus. A "common" Level 160 Heavy Gunner is already enough. However no weapon can, and you got other ways to deal with such.
That said the catchmoon even rivals my riven Amprex on those too, even though the amprex is kinda build as a tank buster- while the catchmoon simply delivers so much brute force it just grinds through.

[Heedal]

Like Warframe is really hard game.

[Sceles]

Arca Plasmor is excellent for new players because it's very easy to get with plat, deals AoE damage, is very ammo efficient, and doesn't require extensive modding to deal decent damage. But as a downside it also doesn't get much better fully modded because its crit stats are low and because there's only one base dmg mod for shotguns. This is actually by design. DE balances things around the fact that their users have all the necessary mods to maximize their damage, and Arca Plasmor starts out so strong because there are not that many ways to scale up its damage. In the end it's not really that good. Catchmoon is basically a secondary version of the same gun and has several times its damage. And if you need a primary there's Fulmin which is very similar, especially after adding some flight speed on it

[James Bondage]

It already has been nerfed, multiple times.