Is Ballas the creator of the Warframes?

[AWOKEN]

Also what do you think is going to happen in "The Sacrifice"

[AWOKEN]

What about Stalker?,the guy who's been hunting down the Tenno because we killed the Orokin. Would he join Ballas or maybe even help us rescue Lotus?

[Kaisty]

If we are allowed to kill off Natah and gain some loot from it, I'll personally strap the explosives to her and drop kick her out an airlock at this point. As much as I dislike the character, I'd take a broken ammo drum as loot for it up to this point. I'd take two if we could have a time distortion moment so I can do the same to the original "Space Mom" since after seeing what she did to Harrow, all Orokin are the same to me now.

[primobrainlet]

Diposting pertama kali oleh A W O K E N:

What about Stalker?,the guy who's been hunting down the Tenno because we killed the Orokin. Would he join Ballas or maybe even help us rescue Lotus?

While he hates the tenno for theither betrayal, if you remember, he had a "this is what your are" moment as well, and was only forced by hunhow to kill

I think it is plausible that he would help, maybe as a form of redemption

[فاطمة]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Davy Jones:

Diposting pertama kali oleh A W O K E N:

What about Stalker?,the guy who's been hunting down the Tenno because we killed the Orokin. Would he join Ballas or maybe even help us rescue Lotus?

While he hates the tenno for theither betrayal, if you remember, he had a "this is what your are" moment as well, and was only forced by hunhow to kill

I think it is plausible that he would help, maybe as a form of redemption

Spoiler alert, we find out that Stalker is the real protaganist and we're all the bad guys. DUN DUN DUUUUN!

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Davy Jones:

Diposting pertama kali oleh A W O K E N:

What about Stalker?,the guy who's been hunting down the Tenno because we killed the Orokin. Would he join Ballas or maybe even help us rescue Lotus?

While he hates the tenno for theither betrayal, if you remember, he had a "this is what your are" moment as well, and was only forced by hunhow to kill

I think it is plausible that he would help, maybe as a form of redemption

Fun fact: Stalker uses Excalibur Umbra's body model. Maybe when all's said and done we get HIS frame...

[Tesper]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Davy Jones:

While he hates the tenno for theither betrayal, if you remember, he had a "this is what your are" moment as well, and was only forced by hunhow to kill

I think it is plausible that he would help, maybe as a form of redemption

Fun fact: Stalker uses Excalibur Umbra's body model. Maybe when all's said and done we get HIS frame...

That may actually explain the Play as the Stalker gamemode developing

[Formous]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Davy Jones:

Ballas may have helped work on them, however...

That is not Ballas, the white eyes, the freakish body, it too greatly resembles the void demon who shows up in your ship, and margulis and alad v had normal eyes, yet they where true orokin as well

Hunhow will no doubt try to capitilise. and I get the feeling umbra will be a doozy of a quest

Anothe rthought: Margulis was killed, excecuted, but could hunhow, using sentient magic, have brought her back with all memories? And, furthermore, could the void demon be a sentient similar to Natah, one created to trick and control, but rather than controlling the tenno, controlling the leader?

And finally, notice how the lotus did not even notice or care about you, there is only one other incidence of this masking. The man in the wall. Rell saw the demon, yet nobody else could, and in doing so, seemed to "focus" Rell onto him, blocking out red veil, eventually sacrificing himself. This quest only unlocks AFTER the chains of harrow

I get the feeling that that was not Ballas, the void demon, wether a manifestation of the void itself or a new breed of sentient, has just stolen our lotus from us, and he knows that the only warriors who could have destroyed him (a tenno) are lost, and the only soldier who was ferocious enough to take one out (Ordin Karis) is nothing but a mere shadow of his past self. Cephalon Simaris may also have been a warrior of near the same strength, as he seemed to be quite savage and a good strategist during the fight for Suda. The only thing for sure is that we just got bamboozled, and ♥♥♥♥ just hit the fan at the speed of light

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not the void demon. To touch on ballas, they released ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ artwork of Ballas some time ago, and that was him. Further, the voice actor is Ballas. More evidence against him being the void demon is he does not acknowledge the Tenno, which is highly suspect. He uses none of the nicknames or the wording, and his powers are very distincitly not the void. The Void Demon cares about the Tenno. Thats why it follows us. Ballas wanted to go after Lotus.

Thing is, The Lotus can not interact with the Void Demon. She could not before, and Rell's death did not afflict her with carrying the curse. So Why is it Ballas now?

We never did confirm Ballas' ultimate fate. It is easy to say he survived the Orokin's downfall easily, as he likely saw this coming, and his interactions with Lotus shows she knew he survived. Lotus is something many of you are forgetting. her human form is a Memory of Margulis, his Lover. Likely, he may try to perform a continuity ritual on her, and draw Margulis back to life in a sort of psuedo body. Whether Ballas is going to be inherently bad for the Tenno is difficult to know, but judging by his touch on our transference stream, and that of the Queens being like it, our warframes may not even pose a viable threat against Ballas. He wanted Margulis back, not Lotus, and that is way more in line with Ballas then the Void Demon.

[primobrainlet]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Formous:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Davy Jones:

Ballas may have helped work on them, however...

That is not Ballas, the white eyes, the freakish body, it too greatly resembles the void demon who shows up in your ship, and margulis and alad v had normal eyes, yet they where true orokin as well

Hunhow will no doubt try to capitilise. and I get the feeling umbra will be a doozy of a quest

Anothe rthought: Margulis was killed, excecuted, but could hunhow, using sentient magic, have brought her back with all memories? And, furthermore, could the void demon be a sentient similar to Natah, one created to trick and control, but rather than controlling the tenno, controlling the leader?

And finally, notice how the lotus did not even notice or care about you, there is only one other incidence of this masking. The man in the wall. Rell saw the demon, yet nobody else could, and in doing so, seemed to "focus" Rell onto him, blocking out red veil, eventually sacrificing himself. This quest only unlocks AFTER the chains of harrow

I get the feeling that that was not Ballas, the void demon, wether a manifestation of the void itself or a new breed of sentient, has just stolen our lotus from us, and he knows that the only warriors who could have destroyed him (a tenno) are lost, and the only soldier who was ferocious enough to take one out (Ordin Karis) is nothing but a mere shadow of his past self. Cephalon Simaris may also have been a warrior of near the same strength, as he seemed to be quite savage and a good strategist during the fight for Suda. The only thing for sure is that we just got bamboozled, and ♥♥♥♥ just hit the fan at the speed of light

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not the void demon. To touch on ballas, they released ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ artwork of Ballas some time ago, and that was him. Further, the voice actor is Ballas. More evidence against him being the void demon is he does not acknowledge the Tenno, which is highly suspect. He uses none of the nicknames or the wording, and his powers are very distincitly not the void. The Void Demon cares about the Tenno. Thats why it follows us. Ballas wanted to go after Lotus.

Thing is, The Lotus can not interact with the Void Demon. She could not before, and Rell's death did not afflict her with carrying the curse. So Why is it Ballas now?

We never did confirm Ballas' ultimate fate. It is easy to say he survived the Orokin's downfall easily, as he likely saw this coming, and his interactions with Lotus shows she knew he survived. Lotus is something many of you are forgetting. her human form is a Memory of Margulis, his Lover. Likely, he may try to perform a continuity ritual on her, and draw Margulis back to life in a sort of psuedo body. Whether Ballas is going to be inherently bad for the Tenno is difficult to know, but judging by his touch on our transference stream, and that of the Queens being like it, our warframes may not even pose a viable threat against Ballas. He wanted Margulis back, not Lotus, and that is way more in line with Ballas then the Void Demon.

The void demon seems to be able to "focus" people, the same thing happened to Rell, the red veil could not see it, we could not see it, nobody could see it, until it chose to be seen

I don't think the concept art is really final on Ballas, even so, I don't see why they don't have the technology to cure Ballas's cataracts. If the demon can take different forms, it would make sense for it to want to be someone close to the tenno leader, and nobody is closer than Ballas

Ballas will probably also be a threat, he was against the Tenno

Finally, the orokin age. that is fact. Without a Yuvan, they wither and die, and 1: Ballas could not get acess to kuva until VERY recently and 2: that body should, either way, be LONG gone

It is simply impossible for it to be Ballas, the body would have withered and rotted by now, and the next suspect would be either a very creative nyx, some very potent space drugs or the demon

edit: Why isn't hunhow dissapointed in margulis/natah for dating a sleezy golden guy?

[Formous]

Ballas was always wierd, as he was a executor. Thing is, Rell was affected by the void demon beacuse like all tenno, he is a void creature. He held it back till now, but the defining limit is that you have to be a void-creature like a tenno to interact with it. At this point, we can safely assume this was truly Ballas.

The concept art, the Voice actor, and so on. You don't really mess with this when interacting with such a hugely important character. It is not impossible Ballas extended his life somehow, maybe even the same way we have via Cryo sleep. Our own tenno should have withered as only warframes existed in Cryo pods, but we survive, so it's far from impossible Ballas survived. The Void Demon has little use for Lotus, who would die in the void. Plus it does not fit it's mojo. Whatever it wants, it's to do with it's pets, the Tenno. I imagine we have way more strings attached then we think in regards to the void demon. Also, again, recognition. The Void Demon ALWAYS calls up "Kiddo". This time he would not have? Why? It is not sensical from a lore standpoint of how they protrayed that character, and with what they are dealing with, this is very important to keep things direct, as Ballas returning is a massive deal. His hand can be seen in every aspect of the lore.

Ballas' body is strange to begin with as well, as if immortalized. He actually looks like what greeks may call Adonis, or perhaps another god. If you remember the Orokin, they appeared this way to their subjects as living Gods, and a executor fits the bill of which orokin undergo those changes, the only others being the seven emperors themselves who lived in Isolation, and may still live alone.

Also narratively, if we consider Ballas' regret for betraying Margulis, it would make a crazy degree of sense for it to be Ballas and Lotus, as Lotus's shape and memories are of Margulis taken from the minds of the Tenno. If we think about the Sacrifice, suddenly we start to get a little more of a idea what is on the way. Many assume the Sacrifice relates to us, but...maybe not. Maybe Ballas will sacrifice Lotus to bring back Margulis.

Ultimately, the point is the Void Demon's fingers are just not on this, and the personality is way out of wack. Ballas pushes you aside, but does not harm you and just ignores you. He is recognized by Lotus who knew he was looking for Margulis. Ballas would not harm us due to Lotus/margulis, but he obviously did not care for us, unlike the Void Demon who is always watching you in your private moments.

[fragball]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Sinister Cupcake:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Davy Jones:

While he hates the tenno for theither betrayal, if you remember, he had a "this is what your are" moment as well, and was only forced by hunhow to kill

I think it is plausible that he would help, maybe as a form of redemption

Spoiler alert, we find out that Stalker is the real protaganist and we're all the bad guys. DUN DUN DUUUUN!

couldn't care less that we are the bad guys ^.^
but it always comes down to ones own point of view when the question about who is evil and who's good...

[Walrus-Sama]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Formous:

Ballas was always wierd, as he was a executor. Thing is, Rell was affected by the void demon beacuse like all tenno, he is a void creature. He held it back till now, but the defining limit is that you have to be a void-creature like a tenno to interact with it. At this point, we can safely assume this was truly Ballas.

The concept art, the Voice actor, and so on. You don't really mess with this when interacting with such a hugely important character. It is not impossible Ballas extended his life somehow, maybe even the same way we have via Cryo sleep. Our own tenno should have withered as only warframes existed in Cryo pods, but we survive, so it's far from impossible Ballas survived. The Void Demon has little use for Lotus, who would die in the void. Plus it does not fit it's mojo. Whatever it wants, it's to do with it's pets, the Tenno. I imagine we have way more strings attached then we think in regards to the void demon. Also, again, recognition. The Void Demon ALWAYS calls up "Kiddo". This time he would not have? Why? It is not sensical from a lore standpoint of how they protrayed that character, and with what they are dealing with, this is very important to keep things direct, as Ballas returning is a massive deal. His hand can be seen in every aspect of the lore.

Ballas' body is strange to begin with as well, as if immortalized. He actually looks like what greeks may call Adonis, or perhaps another god. If you remember the Orokin, they appeared this way to their subjects as living Gods, and a executor fits the bill of which orokin undergo those changes, the only others being the seven emperors themselves who lived in Isolation, and may still live alone.

Also narratively, if we consider Ballas' regret for betraying Margulis, it would make a crazy degree of sense for it to be Ballas and Lotus, as Lotus's shape and memories are of Margulis taken from the minds of the Tenno. If we think about the Sacrifice, suddenly we start to get a little more of a idea what is on the way. Many assume the Sacrifice relates to us, but...maybe not. Maybe Ballas will sacrifice Lotus to bring back Margulis.

Ultimately, the point is the Void Demon's fingers are just not on this, and the personality is way out of wack. Ballas pushes you aside, but does not harm you and just ignores you. He is recognized by Lotus who knew he was looking for Margulis. Ballas would not harm us due to Lotus/margulis, but he obviously did not care for us, unlike the Void Demon who is always watching you in your private moments.

I agree. The Ballas we saw was not the Void Demon/Man in the Wall.

Either, it really is Ballas for realsies, and he did take Lotus away from us. Or, this is some sort of trick by Lotus (or some other party) to teach us something.

[festivneer]

one of the 7.

and my guess is hunhow finaly has come to terms with the fact that his kid is helping the tenno.but gets pissed that she has ran off with ballas and teams up with the tenno to kill ballas

[Formous]

Diposting pertama kali oleh festivneer:

one of the 7.

and my guess is hunhow finaly has come to terms with the fact that his kid is helping the tenno.but gets pissed that she has ran off with ballas and teams up with the tenno to kill ballas

He hates us however, but it isn't unfeasible, just unlikely. Also We know he was a executor, not a Emperor. No one even saw the Emperors. Kinda lonely if you ask me, but oh well. Then again..if Ballas had been hunting them down..

[淵 Super Bunyan]

I for one welcome our AI space MILF overlords.

[Wintermute]

His visual design is kinda weird though. If you read lore entries, Orokin had big hard-on for symmetry and ligh colors, to the point of getting stressed by lack of them. Ballas looks EXACTLY the opposite of those principles. I wonder why.