Why stack snow globes?

[Peter Pan]

Hey all,

I would like confirmation on stacking snow globes.

The wiki says that stacking snow globes will combine the remaining healths of both globes, and put it for the new globe.

So lets say my snow globes have 5,000 health, and my first snow globe has 1,000 health remaining due to enemy fire.
I then cast a second snow globe.
Will it have 6,000 health, or 10,000 health?

If the answer is 6,000 health, then what's the point of stacking snow globes? Letting snow globes expire would give you the same total health anyway.

[Hardkorny]

Upon activation, the globe is invulnerable for 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 seconds. Incoming damage that is absorbed during the invulnerability period is converted into health and added to the globe's health.

Casting Snow Globe while inside an existing globe will remove the older globe and combine the total remaining health values of both globes for the newer one. The invulnerability period is reactivated for each cast.

Snow Globes created inside existing globes do not count toward the maximum number of instances, and Snow Globe's health can stack with repeated casts until reaching a maximum combined health of 1,000,000.

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Snow_Globe#Info

[robruckus65]

Originally posted by Hussien the sand nibba:

Or you can just use gara(nerf that ♥♥♥♥♥ already please...)

If she could spam her glass rings everywhere I would agree wiht you but she can only have one. So I think it is a pretty good balance. Not sure why you would be pleading for a nerf so badly it isnt like garas defensive prowess does anythign to inhibit other players or kill everythign on the screen.

[Morty2989]

Originally posted by Hussien the sand nibba:

Or you can just use gara(nerf that ♥♥♥♥♥ already please...)

Something isn't worthless, lets kill it >_>

[PhellAsleep]

Originally posted by robruckus65:

Originally posted by Hussien the sand nibba:

Or you can just use gara(nerf that ♥♥♥♥♥ already please...)

If she could spam her glass rings everywhere I would agree wiht you but she can only have one. So I think it is a pretty good balance. Not sure why you would be pleading for a nerf so badly it isnt like garas defensive prowess does anythign to inhibit other players or kill everythign on the screen.

It actually does block my explosive projectiles, causing them to explode in my face and kill me.

[robruckus65]

Originally posted by Hussien the sand nibba:

Originally posted by PhellAsleep:

It actually does block my explosive projectiles, causing them to explode in my face and kill me.

She does not, only Frost.

Originally posted by Palmer_Eldritch:

Something isn't worthless, lets kill it >_>

Frost is fine, he isn't worthless, but why use him for defense when there is a 10 times better option?

In all honesty his 4 is way strnger than snowglobe. Always has been. It is a pretty serious hard cc that strips armor and has a pretty large range. He also plays way different than gara. If you cant get higher up with gara her wll is kind of lame frost doesnt have that problem.

[Scaredy Cat]

Originally posted by Hussien the sand nibba:

Originally posted by robruckus65:

In all honesty his 4 is way strnger than snowglobe. Always has been. It is a pretty serious hard cc that strips armor and has a pretty large range. He also plays way different than gara. If you cant get higher up with gara her wll is kind of lame frost doesnt have that problem.

Also his 4th makes strips armor by great values(My build strips 97% of armor) But still, I feel like Gara is still better, specialy with how op weapons and builds have became, and she deals tons of damege anyways with her 2nd.

Compared to other popular frames. Meta frames if you will. Gara is not exceptionally powerful. She has a really good toolkit for defensive missions, but thats it. She fits a role, she does it well, but she doesnt go beyond it.
If anything they should change something about Frost to make his abilities fit a slightly different role. His armour stripping capability is a good example of such an ability that fits a slightly different role.
In short, theyre both good frames. Neither is overpowered.
They just fill the same roll, which is always going to make either of them outperform the other. Even if only in the slightest like in this case.

[Scaredy Cat]

Originally posted by Hussien the sand nibba:

Originally posted by Scaredy Cat:

Compared to other popular frames. Meta frames if you will. Gara is not exceptionally powerful. She has a really good toolkit for defensive missions, but thats it. She fits a role, she does it well, but she doesnt go beyond it.
If anything they should change something about Frost to make his abilities fit a slightly different role. His armour stripping capability is a good example of such an ability that fits a slightly different role.
In short, theyre both good frames. Neither is overpowered.
They just fill the same roll, which is always going to make either of them outperform the other. Even if only in the slightest like in this case.

Dude, have you even tried Gara? I bet you didn't even try to stack damege using her 1st and 2nd abilites... also, defense is an important rule in this game, and Gara is far better than Frost in it.

I have yes. As ive said, shes good, but not overpowered.
Frost is still good at defending, he is just outclassed by Gara, hence i proposed a rework of some of his abilities.

Gara is not nearly as powerful as a soundquaking Banshee or a mapclearing Mesa.

Its a simple matter of powercreep with Frost and Gara. Somethingbthat i hope will be resolved sometimes in the future.

Nerfing erery frame is going to make the game boring, especially if you nerf frames that dont need it.

[Scaredy Cat]

Originally posted by Hussien the sand nibba:

Originally posted by Scaredy Cat:

I have yes. As ive said, shes good, but not overpowered.
Frost is still good at defending, he is just outclassed by Gara, hence i proposed a rework of some of his abilities.

Gara is not nearly as powerful as a soundquaking Banshee or a mapclearing Mesa.

Its a simple matter of powercreep with Frost and Gara. Somethingbthat i hope will be resolved sometimes in the future.

Nerfing erery frame is going to make the game boring, especially if you nerf frames that dont need it.

Dude, it's impossible to lose with Gara in your team on mobile defense, 'nuff said, there is other frames like that, but Gara is the closest to Frost, so that's what we are talking about on this topic, everyone knows Mesa is op dude....

You dont lose with frost on mobile defence too.

Its a simple case of 2 frames having a similar role, and one being better than the other. The best way to to fix it would be to give either of them a slightly different role.

[No_Quarter]

Originally posted by Hussien the sand nibba:

Dude, have you even tried Gara? I bet you didn't even try to stack damege using her 1st and 2nd abilites... also, defense is an important rule in this game, and Gara is far better than Frost in it.

I doubt you can say flat out better.
She covers different aspects of defense, Frost is there to slow down a target or multiple targets, avalanche stops everyhting in his range for certain period of time - which saved the mission countless times when excavator was on like 100hp. He just stops the fight, even lvl 99999999, stops.

1 000 000 hp bubble is op af, so I'd just say different, their abilities are so different to work with

[landmass]

Originally posted by Scaredy Cat:

Originally posted by Hussien the sand nibba:

Dude, have you even tried Gara? I bet you didn't even try to stack damege using her 1st and 2nd abilites... also, defense is an important rule in this game, and Gara is far better than Frost in it.

I have yes. As ive said, shes good, but not overpowered.
Frost is still good at defending, he is just outclassed by Gara, hence i proposed a rework of some of his abilities.

Gara is not nearly as powerful as a soundquaking Banshee or a mapclearing Mesa.

Its a simple matter of powercreep with Frost and Gara. Somethingbthat i hope will be resolved sometimes in the future.

Nerfing erery frame is going to make the game boring, especially if you nerf frames that dont need it.

Dude... Gara can melt mobs of level 150+ like a hot knife through butter

[PhellAsleep]

Originally posted by i ♥ kaceytron:

Originally posted by Scaredy Cat:

I have yes. As ive said, shes good, but not overpowered.
Frost is still good at defending, he is just outclassed by Gara, hence i proposed a rework of some of his abilities.

Gara is not nearly as powerful as a soundquaking Banshee or a mapclearing Mesa.

Its a simple matter of powercreep with Frost and Gara. Somethingbthat i hope will be resolved sometimes in the future.

Nerfing erery frame is going to make the game boring, especially if you nerf frames that dont need it.

Dude... Gara can melt mobs of level 150+ like a hot knife through butter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRpCFdKiJG0

[Dusklite]

I'm sorry to say (sorry, because I currently use her 90% of the time), but Gara really is a bit on the strong side.
The issue isn't because she can defend stationary targets well with her 4, or that she can cause 90% damage reduction on pretty much everyone (and most things) with her 2 or that her combination of 4, 2 and 1 can power up her two to pretty much melt bosses in seconds...

... it's that all of this is possible with the same Frame and pretty much the same build. That sortie with Vay Hek? Jumped up his nostrils and got his face full of hot, spinning glass shards. Didn't like that at all. At the same time, he couldn't really do jack-squat, besides draining energy...

... yeah. I think she's just too big of an all-rounder right now. Mobile Defense? Rescue? Defection? Defense? Interception? Survival? Excavation? Gara kind of specializes in all of them AND she's more than just alright with the rest, maybe except for Spy.

Don't get me wrong, I love her to bits. But it's really an issue when one Frame pretty much can do about anything solo without even making an effort.

[Scaredy Cat]

Originally posted by PhellAsleep:

Originally posted by i ♥ kaceytron:

Dude... Gara can melt mobs of level 150+ like a hot knife through butter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRpCFdKiJG0

When are you realisticly going to be fighting those mobs? I will agree it is ridicilous, i thought it was a bug the forst time i heard about it. Still, nerf her in the damage departement, dont make her obsolete. If you ignore the ridiculous dmg she is actually in a good place.

Also, she is not nearly the most popular frame in the game, and unlike some frames she actually allows you to play the game.

Not entirely sure where all the hate comes from?

[Scaredy Cat]

Originally posted by Dusklite:

I'm sorry to say (sorry, because I currently use her 90% of the time), but Gara really is a bit on the strong side.
The issue isn't because she can defend stationary targets well with her 4, or that she can cause 90% damage reduction on pretty much everyone (and most things) with her 2 or that her combination of 4, 2 and 1 can power up her two to pretty much melt bosses in seconds...

... it's that all of this is possible with the same Frame and pretty much the same build. That sortie with Vay Hek? Jumped up his nostrils and got his face full of hot, spinning glass shards. Didn't like that at all. At the same time, he couldn't really do jack-squat, besides draining energy...

... yeah. I think she's just too big of an all-rounder right now. Mobile Defense? Rescue? Defection? Defense? Interception? Survival? Excavation? Gara kind of specializes in all of them AND she's more than just alright with the rest, maybe except for Spy.

Don't get me wrong, I love her to bits. But it's really an issue when one Frame pretty much can do about anything solo without even making an effort.

Agreed. Nerf her damage, make her a defender. Also, perhaps some slight attuments to her shield where it needs higher str to reach the 90%dmg reduction. Right now it is a bit too easy to get there.

[Dusklite]

Originally posted by Scaredy Cat:

Originally posted by Dusklite:

I'm sorry to say (sorry, because I currently use her 90% of the time), but Gara really is a bit on the strong side.
The issue isn't because she can defend stationary targets well with her 4, or that she can cause 90% damage reduction on pretty much everyone (and most things) with her 2 or that her combination of 4, 2 and 1 can power up her two to pretty much melt bosses in seconds...

... it's that all of this is possible with the same Frame and pretty much the same build. That sortie with Vay Hek? Jumped up his nostrils and got his face full of hot, spinning glass shards. Didn't like that at all. At the same time, he couldn't really do jack-squat, besides draining energy...

... yeah. I think she's just too big of an all-rounder right now. Mobile Defense? Rescue? Defection? Defense? Interception? Survival? Excavation? Gara kind of specializes in all of them AND she's more than just alright with the rest, maybe except for Spy.

Don't get me wrong, I love her to bits. But it's really an issue when one Frame pretty much can do about anything solo without even making an effort.

Agreed. Nerf her damage, make her a defender. Also, perhaps some slight attuments to her shield where it needs higher str to reach the 90%dmg reduction. Right now it is a bit too easy to get there.

That should actually suffice to bring her a bit to the defensive side of things, yes. Would make the Frame a bit more balanced in the greater scope.

I wouldn't mind the crazy damage to return to Gara, but that should be an augment mod for her 2, and maybe cost her the ability to place it on other Frames/Consoles/Hostages/Pets/random things. Being able to do both things at once is one of the major issues.