Lore discuss: the fall of Orokin Empire?

[DeadEyeMaster1]

I read that on wikia says that, after Orokin utilized Tenno and Warframes to defeat Sentients, in the celebration due to unknown reason, they were all destroyed by Warframes.

So what is this? Is there any canon explanation on this?

[Crack Addict]

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[Vulbjorn]

Have you played Second Dream and War Within? There's more explanation in those quests about the Orokin Era. I would avoid in-depth explanation of what exactly happened because it would be spoilers.

[JCTiger0]

Originally posted by -\/G- GibusGodBlaziken:

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[Banned Guy]

To quote Chicago:
They had it coming (they had it coming)
They had it coming (they had it coming)
They had it coming all along

[Walrus-Sama]

Natah told us to kill them and we just went "A'ight." and did it.

[anaphylactic god]

i think that "killed in one night by wild warframes" is cut out from lore. it was in small story you can read after you scan stalker several times. Its like Capitan Vor talking about void keys despite those were cut from the game long ago.
there is some "newer" stories from symmaris scans, one of them take plase shortly after orokin fall. So basicaly orokin technology devided by rank and all cool stuff like relay and such was controlled only by top brass. Suddenly they all dead/gone/cant use techonology anymore and their whole civilization stuck. with no relay they lost ability to space travel. Orokin's own Dex legions was already weary from constant fighting with infestation. And then greener slave-workers started a rebelion puttin last nail into orokin coffin

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Walrus-Sama:

Natah told us to kill them and we just went "A'ight." and did it. :dappershark:

lol this^

[DeadEyeMaster1]

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

Have you played Second Dream and War Within? There's more explanation in those quests about the Orokin Era. I would avoid in-depth explanation of what exactly happened because it would be spoilers.

Yes, I have. That's why it spwaned this question.

Do explain in detail so I can know more. :)

Originally posted by Walrus-Sama:

Natah told us to kill them and we just went "A'ight." and did it. :dappershark:

Must be those precious Fissure missions that you guys killed them all

[fun time hippie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAW1UxC_reo heres a good video talking about lore of warframe.

[Vulbjorn]

In short, little explanation about Orokin society first.
They are split in genetic casts. Corpuses were families of mid-tier workers, the Orokin of all kinds (from Councillors an Executors to Nobilite and Navigators) were ruling class, Grineer were lowest kind genetically dumbed down worker cast and a bunch of other casts existed in between. In short, opressive and imperialistic society with very materialistic views and strict separations between various gene-casts.

When Old War (with Sentients) happened and Sentients returned from Tau to wage war on Orokin, Orokin used Tenno to unconscioussly power biomechanical battlesuits, the Warframes, to combat Sentients, who are very weak to Void radiation. Tenno were never awake, brainwashed, fully sedated and only used strictly as CPUs of their Warframes. Natah (now known as Lotus), last remaining daughter of one of the Sentient rulers Hunhow, were to infiltrate Orokin empire (which she did) find and seize control over Tenno and whatever controls Warframes (which she did), using overwhelming power of Tenno crush Orokin resistance by beheading all of the rulers (which she did) and then deactivate tenno, effectively killing them (which she didn't, and instead rebelled against her father, becoming sorta Big Boss of Warframe). Instead she hid Tenno on the Moon and send the Moon into the Void, where Sentients can't reach the tenno, if they ever reactivate again.

So, in short, Walrus sama said - because Natah said so.

[South Paw]

From what we know in game that I have picked up on. we know that we did kill off the orokin emipre and cause it to collapse upon itself but we dont know the exact reason that caused the tenno to decide to destroy the orokin. Maybe to stop the corruption? Revenge for their creation? Because they wanted too? we just dont know why they did it or how long ago it was. All we know is that The Orokin fell because we wanted them too and now we are in the aftermath of that desicion

[Spall]

It probably fell, after they experimented with the technocyte virus.
Or once the tenno realised what the orokin were doing.

Idk really though

[oathofmetal]

In some codex entries it's implied Natah(Lotus) made us do it via mind control. In some it's implied Natah told us to do it and we just went with it. In some it's implied that we did it due to constant mistreatment by the orokin and having Margulis executed was the final straw for us. We won the war that was started by the orokin's mistake and then got revenge on the orokin for turning us into what are essentially child soldiers.

Personally I believe it's a combination of the second and third, and that we did it of our free will. The evidence for this is that the tenno felt guilty about what happened, and why would they feel guilty if it wasn't their fault? Also, there's no evidence of the sentient ever possessing mind control. In The Second Dream and War Within, we also get plenty of examples detailing the horrific mistreatment of the Tenno. First, we were locked away and forgotten. Then, when the Sentients started ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the Orokin, they realised they could weaponise our powers and beat the Sentients. Transference was created for this, and it likely wasn't perfect at first. Numerous Tenno probably died for it to be successful. Then afterwards ( and numerous times beforehand ) the Orokin tried to have us executed, almost always prevented by Margulis. When Margulis was executed, the Tenno were afraid that they were next, and angry that the original space mom had just died. It would make sense to seek revenge after that, would it not? If Natah was involved, she probably showed up and said " kill the Orokin for candy or some ♥♥♥♥ idk what kids like " and we went " yeah we were gonna do it anyway but cheers ".

[DeadEyeMaster1]

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

In short, little explanation about Orokin society first.
They are split in genetic casts. Corpuses were families of mid-tier workers, the Orokin of all kinds (from Councillors an Executors to Nobilite and Navigators) were ruling class, Grineer were lowest kind genetically dumbed down worker cast and a bunch of other casts existed in between. In short, opressive and imperialistic society with very materialistic views and strict separations between various gene-casts.

When Old War (with Sentients) happened and Sentients returned from Tau to wage war on Orokin, Orokin used Tenno to unconscioussly power biomechanical battlesuits, the Warframes, to combat Sentients, who are very weak to Void radiation. Tenno were never awake, brainwashed, fully sedated and only used strictly as CPUs of their Warframes. Natah (now known as Lotus), last remaining daughter of one of the Sentient rulers Hunhow, were to infiltrate Orokin empire (which she did) find and seize control over Tenno and whatever controls Warframes (which she did), using overwhelming power of Tenno crush Orokin resistance by beheading all of the rulers (which she did) and then deactivate tenno, effectively killing them (which she didn't, and instead rebelled against her father, becoming sorta Big Boss of Warframe). Instead she hid Tenno on the Moon and send the Moon into the Void, where Sentients can't reach the tenno, if they ever reactivate again.

So, in short, Walrus sama said - because Natah said so.

That explains why Corpus has a bit of higher tech than Grineer.

Is the Big Boss a reference from MGS? Lol.

Well that just spawned a new question: If Natah/Lotus is so powerful, why Sentient didn't use her to win the war? Instead, letting her infiltrate? So that Sentient would never lose it in the first place.

Is it something like Lotus just pops up on your HUD and tells you to do whatever dafuc she tells you to, and you obligate? Lol. Fooking kids.

[Vulbjorn]

Originally posted by DeadEyeMaster1:

That explains why Corpus has a bit of higher tech than Grineer.

Is the Big Boss a reference from MGS? Lol.

Well that just spawned a new question: If Natah/Lotus is so powerful, why Sentient didn't use her to win the war? Instead, letting her infiltrate? So that Sentient would never lose it in the first place.

Is it something like Lotus just pops up on your HUD and tells you to do whatever dafuc she tells you to, and you obligate? Lol. Fooking kids.

Sentients actually lost the war, which is why they used Natah to infiltrate Orokin empire. She was their last attempt to win the war and establish their own civilization in Sol. Natah is not all that incredibly powerful either in the raw power sense. She gave up her sentient form and assumed human looks to somehow sneak up the upper echelons of Orokin society,learn where the source of Tenno power lies and then seize control over it. It is not entirely known whether or not she took control of us via the somatic pods that kept us sedated (most likely, as mind controlling devices were already in place) and under control, or if she woke us up temporarily, presenting herself as good liberator and Orokin as opressors.

In short, she's not powerful, she's smart and sleazy. Also, she wasn't used from the get go because she's the daughter of a ruler. A very valuable asset.