Is getting the Frost or Ember Warframe worth it?

[ArcLight]

Thought they seemed cool and I do like some fire and ice abilities, are they good though? Or only in specific areas? As a new player should I look forward to getting them or no?

Thanks in advance!

[Archwraith]

Yes, both of them are great. Frost excels in defense, mobile defense, and excavation based mission. Ember is great at taking down low level enemies very quick while you keep moving.

It's recommended you to get them all though.

[ArcLight]

Originally posted by Archwraith:

Yes, both of them are great. Frost excels in defense, mobile defense, and excavation based mission. Ember is great at taking down low level enemies very quick while you keep moving.

It's recommended you to get them all though.

Alirght thanks!

[Tangrams]

anything that involves defending something, Frost and his primed variant are the absolute best purely for defending said something. His abilities focus around cold proc CCs, which basically means he either freezes enemies for a duration, e.g. with his 1 (which basically shoots a small projectile of ice that freezes the first enemy it contacts) and any surviving enemies from his 4 (in an area, frost freezes enemies inside, any enemies that do not survive being snap-frozen are broken when he releases the freeze, and any enemies that survive are frozen for a duration. Good for getting rid of fodder enemies, e.g. Grineer lancers/elite lancers, and freezing any tougher enemies, e.g. heavy gunners and bombards), or slows them, with any enemies hit by his 2 (frost sends a wave of ice, visible on the ground, toward the crosshair. Deals damage, and slows any enemies that survive being hit by the ice wave), and his 3. His 3, snowglobe, is probably his most used ability, for me at least. It creates a globe of ice, inside which an ice storm rages, slowing any enemies that come within the snowglobe. It also has a decent amount of health, around 6k-7k, which blocks enemy weaponry that strikes the snowglobe from outside it, such as bullets, bombard rockets (the AOE of the rocket still deals damage though, be warned), beams, etc. Enemy units that are within the snowglobe as an objective or warframes can still damage warframes and objectives, albeit slowly due to the slowing effect of the Snowglobe. Units can fire from the inside of the snowglobe to the outside, but cannot fire from the outside in (I believe AOE weapons will still deal damage, but I am not entirely sure. Need to confirm this, but if bombard rockets still deal their AOE, there is no reason for warframe weapons to be an exception to this rule), including warframe weapons, except for the Scourge, a primary weapon, which is the one exception to this rule (not sure if it was a bug on DE's part or intentional, but last time I checked, scourge could fire through Frost's Snowglobe, even from the outside, with no damage reduction whatsoever. If it was a bug, probably fixed by now, though). Your weapons will not deal damage to the snowglobe, but it will not pass through the snowglobe, either, except for the Scourge.

As for Ember, I cannot offer much insight, as I do not own either of her variants, and am not too familiar with her abilities. I do know, however, that Ember players frequently build her for her 4, World on Fire, which is a channeled ability that deals damage in a radius. If built correctly, Ember can kill virtually anything with ease at medium/low levels, and most likely fodder units at higher levels as well.

For further information, you can search up Ember or Frost guides on Steam, look at Warframe 'frame reviews by youtubers such as McGamerCZ (the best youtuber for information about warframes and their merits/shortcomings), Tactical Potato (my second favorite youtuber, has a load of content, streams on Twitch like most Warframe youtubers, and has videos about a lot of things. He has better varied content, about both weapons and warframes), Brozime (he is the best for reviews on weapons, in his "why would you use" series. I once watched a minute or two part of his 34 minute equinox review and read the comments, which said it was bad and did not reference her merits, just ranted about how inferior some of her abilities are to other warframe's abilities, so I did not continue watching), Quite Shallow (who does a whole lot of sh**posting about stuff, but it's funny and decently informative, and has a lot of memes. She is great at making your bad day, slightly more bearable) and Mogamu (not sure what he is, exactly. Kind of like Tactical Potato in which he isn't the best at reviewing either weapons or warframes and is decent/good at both, but is lower quality than Tactical Potato).

[Mistasandman]

Ember prime is expensive, as is Frost Prime however ;-;

[Carnasid]

Frost is a great defense frame, and Ember is an excellent support frame once you get the Flash Accelerant augment for her.

[ArcLight]

Originally posted by Tangram | Trade.tf:

anything that involves defending something, Frost and his primed variant are the absolute best purely for defending said something. His abilities focus around cold proc CCs, which basically means he either freezes enemies for a duration, e.g. with his 1 (which basically shoots a small projectile of ice that freezes the first enemy it contacts) and any surviving enemies from his 4 (in an area, frost freezes enemies inside, any enemies that do not survive being snap-frozen are broken when he releases the freeze, and any enemies that survive are frozen for a duration. Good for getting rid of fodder enemies, e.g. Grineer lancers/elite lancers, and freezing any tougher enemies, e.g. heavy gunners and bombards), or slows them, with any enemies hit by his 2 (frost sends a wave of ice, visible on the ground, toward the crosshair. Deals damage, and slows any enemies that survive being hit by the ice wave), and his 3. His 3, snowglobe, is probably his most used ability, for me at least. It creates a globe of ice, inside which an ice storm rages, slowing any enemies that come within the snowglobe. It also has a decent amount of health, around 6k-7k, which blocks enemy weaponry that strikes the snowglobe from outside it, such as bullets, bombard rockets (the AOE of the rocket still deals damage though, be warned), beams, etc. Enemy units that are within the snowglobe as an objective or warframes can still damage warframes and objectives, albeit slowly due to the slowing effect of the Snowglobe. Units can fire from the inside of the snowglobe to the outside, but cannot fire from the outside in (I believe AOE weapons will still deal damage, but I am not entirely sure. Need to confirm this, but if bombard rockets still deal their AOE, there is no reason for warframe weapons to be an exception to this rule), including warframe weapons, except for the Scourge, a primary weapon, which is the one exception to this rule (not sure if it was a bug on DE's part or intentional, but last time I checked, scourge could fire through Frost's Snowglobe, even from the outside, with no damage reduction whatsoever. If it was a bug, probably fixed by now, though). Your weapons will not deal damage to the snowglobe, but it will not pass through the snowglobe, either, except for the Scourge.

As for Ember, I cannot offer much insight, as I do not own either of her variants, and am not too familiar with her abilities. I do know, however, that Ember players frequently build her for her 4, World on Fire, which is a channeled ability that deals damage in a radius. If built correctly, Ember can kill virtually anything with ease at medium/low levels, and most likely fodder units at higher levels as well.

For further information, you can search up Ember or Frost guides on Steam, look at Warframe 'frame reviews by youtubers such as McGamerCZ (the best youtuber for information about warframes and their merits/shortcomings), Tactical Potato (my second favorite youtuber, has a load of content, streams on Twitch like most Warframe youtubers, and has videos about a lot of things. He has better varied content, about both weapons and warframes), Brozime (he is the best for reviews on weapons, in his "why would you use" series. I once watched a minute or two part of his 34 minute equinox review and read the comments, which said it was bad and did not reference her merits, just ranted about how inferior some of her abilities are to other warframe's abilities, so I did not continue watching), Quite Shallow (who does a whole lot of sh**posting about stuff, but it's funny and decently informative, and has a lot of memes. She is great at making your bad day, slightly more bearable) and Mogamu (not sure what he is, exactly. Kind of like Tactical Potato in which he isn't the best at reviewing either weapons or warframes and is decent/good at both, but is lower quality than Tactical Potato).

I thought Rhino was also really good on defending, so in gonna assume that the Frostwareframe is basically Rhino but uses I've? Both tanky, both defensive? Also if I have time I will try to check out those YouTubers hopefully, thanks.

Originally posted by RB:

Frost is a great defense frame, and Ember is an excellent support frame once you get the Flash Accelerant augment for her.

So which should I get first? I think so far I have the Excalibur warframe and Rhino Warframe.

[The Shadow]

Get Frost, best frame for defense/mobile defense in groups, one of the best frame for sorties in the game too for defense/excavation/mobile defense. I hate Frost and try to never use it now because i now have a lot of other options (spent 1500h into the game so i don't need him to defend stuff), but when you need to defend objectives in group against ennemies who are too dangerous for the objective, he's extremely good, and was the best before Limbo cheese started to pop with its rework. You can cheese a lot of bosses and ennemies with its globe too, and iirc he has an armor shred, and has aoe ccs, so he'll always be useful.

Ember damage falloff very hard late game at the point where you will do no damage with her anymore and be useless, unless you get her augments to be a CC machine, but more reliable cc frames exists. As a newer player, you probably won't have the mods to make her work in late game and endless missions anyway. She's still nice to have in your loadout to rush low level content if you don't have ignis+volt or something, but Frost clearly outshines her in terms of performance and usefulness, although i find Ember more fun to play. But i really recommand you Frost, if your main concern is performance to progress in the game, and eventually get everything anyway.

[Shadow The Innkeep]

Originally posted by Archwraith:

Yes, both of them are great. Frost excels in defense, mobile defense, and excavation based mission. Ember is great at taking down low level enemies very quick while you keep moving.

It's recommended you to get them all though.

Ember also exels in defense missions due to World on Fire. Although, depending on defense map and faction, I prefer Nidus frame for defense and extermination.

Frost Prime is easy to get via Twitch Prime. Ember will take a bit of doing since her boss is on Saturn,i believe, so you will need higher lvl friends to carry you though Sargas Ruk assasination mission.

Frost is AWESOME for unlocking junctions, btw. Ember, however, feels more agile and interactive in gameplay mechanics.

If you are part of a clan and can check their Dojo and see if they have frames researched that you can get bluprints for - Banshee, Nezha. Zephyr, etc

As far as other frames go, my favs are Saryn, Nidus and Nekros, especially Nidus, but each of them is very different from each other and takes time to adapt to its gameplay.
Building Inaros atm and aim aiming to obtaining Harrow at some point.

[The Shadow]

Ember doesn't excel as much as Frost in def/mobiledef/excav, especially when you are a new player with fewer mods and your energy as Ember runs dry in seconds, while Frost globes last forever.

Also, while it is enough to make a globe protect an objective on Frost, the base reach warframe mod won't be enough to make good use of Ember's world on fire, because the range will be too short to be of any use if you are new and have few mods.

[Tangrams]

Originally posted by Aertew:

Originally posted by Tangram | Trade.tf:

anything that involves defending something, Frost and his primed variant are the absolute best purely for defending said something. His abilities focus around cold proc CCs, which basically means he either freezes enemies for a duration, e.g. with his 1 (which basically shoots a small projectile of ice that freezes the first enemy it contacts) and any surviving enemies from his 4 (in an area, frost freezes enemies inside, any enemies that do not survive being snap-frozen are broken when he releases the freeze, and any enemies that survive are frozen for a duration. Good for getting rid of fodder enemies, e.g. Grineer lancers/elite lancers, and freezing any tougher enemies, e.g. heavy gunners and bombards), or slows them, with any enemies hit by his 2 (frost sends a wave of ice, visible on the ground, toward the crosshair. Deals damage, and slows any enemies that survive being hit by the ice wave), and his 3. His 3, snowglobe, is probably his most used ability, for me at least. It creates a globe of ice, inside which an ice storm rages, slowing any enemies that come within the snowglobe. It also has a decent amount of health, around 6k-7k, which blocks enemy weaponry that strikes the snowglobe from outside it, such as bullets, bombard rockets (the AOE of the rocket still deals damage though, be warned), beams, etc. Enemy units that are within the snowglobe as an objective or warframes can still damage warframes and objectives, albeit slowly due to the slowing effect of the Snowglobe. Units can fire from the inside of the snowglobe to the outside, but cannot fire from the outside in (I believe AOE weapons will still deal damage, but I am not entirely sure. Need to confirm this, but if bombard rockets still deal their AOE, there is no reason for warframe weapons to be an exception to this rule), including warframe weapons, except for the Scourge, a primary weapon, which is the one exception to this rule (not sure if it was a bug on DE's part or intentional, but last time I checked, scourge could fire through Frost's Snowglobe, even from the outside, with no damage reduction whatsoever. If it was a bug, probably fixed by now, though). Your weapons will not deal damage to the snowglobe, but it will not pass through the snowglobe, either, except for the Scourge.

As for Ember, I cannot offer much insight, as I do not own either of her variants, and am not too familiar with her abilities. I do know, however, that Ember players frequently build her for her 4, World on Fire, which is a channeled ability that deals damage in a radius. If built correctly, Ember can kill virtually anything with ease at medium/low levels, and most likely fodder units at higher levels as well.

For further information, you can search up Ember or Frost guides on Steam, look at Warframe 'frame reviews by youtubers such as McGamerCZ (the best youtuber for information about warframes and their merits/shortcomings), Tactical Potato (my second favorite youtuber, has a load of content, streams on Twitch like most Warframe youtubers, and has videos about a lot of things. He has better varied content, about both weapons and warframes), Brozime (he is the best for reviews on weapons, in his "why would you use" series. I once watched a minute or two part of his 34 minute equinox review and read the comments, which said it was bad and did not reference her merits, just ranted about how inferior some of her abilities are to other warframe's abilities, so I did not continue watching), Quite Shallow (who does a whole lot of sh**posting about stuff, but it's funny and decently informative, and has a lot of memes. She is great at making your bad day, slightly more bearable) and Mogamu (not sure what he is, exactly. Kind of like Tactical Potato in which he isn't the best at reviewing either weapons or warframes and is decent/good at both, but is lower quality than Tactical Potato).

I thought Rhino was also really good on defending, so in gonna assume that the Frostwareframe is basically Rhino but uses I've? Both tanky, both defensive? Also if I have time I will try to check out those YouTubers hopefully, thanks.

Originally posted by RB:

Frost is a great defense frame, and Ember is an excellent support frame once you get the Flash Accelerant augment for her.

So which should I get first? I think so far I have the Excalibur warframe and Rhino Warframe.

Rhino is a CC and tank frame, and as such, he is not especially good at defense, unlike Frost, Limbo, Vauban (his prime version is THE nitain sink) and Gara (might have missed 1 or 2 warframes, but these are the ones that come to mind) If you are considering Frost and Ember, I am assuming you are not too far along in the star chart, and getting the proper mods might not yet be possible for you. I am mentioning this, as Ember requires a good mod setup to make proper use of World on Fire. As such, I would recommend Frost first, as he is good for defending objectives even without good mods, and as for other things, Rhino works quite well, in general, and can go well into overkill in endgame, with a good mod setup that is specialized for iron skin. In the links below this wall of text is a build I made for Rhino Prime (base variant of Rhino, which you own, only needs one forma to use it), based on someone else's build with a few changes, and does not require any forma. It is built for high survivability with iron skin. I do not own Rhino, and as such, cannot attest to its effectiveness in play, but on paper, it seems good, and does not appear to have any shortcomings that might severely impair its effectiveness, aside from more expensive abilites (if, like me, you went for zenurik energy regen, this is not a huge problem). If desired, Gladiator Aegis and Primed Flow can be switched out for Primed Continuity and Fleeting Expertise, increasing useability of other abilities, but sacrificing some power in the Iron Skin, due to how Iron Skin scales with amount of armor, and losing a lot of maximum energy pool. However, as I do not own Rhino, the first build may be complete overkill for anything you may want to do at any point (the build I based the first build off of said that the build was intended for hardcore endless runs, potentially running for hours, which is completely unecessary and is more of a 'bragging rights' thing than actually effective for affinity or resource farming, so the second build is probably a better build for you as of this moment, due to being far better rounded, and the first build for when you have a second rhino and are interested in bragging rights, or simply enjoy the challenge of OP enemies. As I am also too poor to afford to have two copies of a warframe, when I get Rhino or Rhino Prime, I will probably use the second build).


First build, specialized for Iron Skin and possibly overkill for content other than overly long endurance runs:

g o o . g l / s F Y n e 9


Second build, much more well rounded, probably better for general usage (forgot to mention it needs 3 forma instead of 0/1, but definitely worth the investment of 3 forma):

g o o .g l / R o 5 2 x Y

Edit: apparently the links got removed. I'll try to find a way to get it to you.

Edit #2: ok, I added spaces between each of the letters and punctuation, just remove those when you search up the website.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Originally posted by Aertew:

Thought they seemed cool and I do like some fire and ice abilities, are they good though? Or only in specific areas? As a new player should I look forward to getting them or no?

Thanks in advance!

Frost is probably one of the MOST vital early game frames, simply because he allows you to solo defense or excavations and even mobile defense missions you might not otherwise be able to do. His frost globe essentially BLOCKS out all damage and actually absorbs incoming damage for a few moments and adds it to its over all health... its fairly easy to maintain and can be stacked on top of each other for increased effect.

Ember is a good frame for running some missions very fast but requires alot of mods i feel to do it effienctly so i'd say she's far less good early on but is a frame i rather enjoy once you have a bunch of mods to build her properly.

Edit: early on i usually tell new players to grab rhino as he makes a majority of the game a breeze or if you pick up a rage mod GRAB valkyr she's literally a monster through the entire game into late game.

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you will need frost to unlock eris at some point

[AnonumusSoldier]

Get frost prime for free with twitch prime (if you have twitch prime/amazonprime/qualify for an amazon prime free trial)

[ⓀⒾⓦⒾ‰]

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

Get frost prime for free with twitch prime (if you have twitch prime/amazonprime/qualify for an amazon prime free trial)

you need a credit card to sign up for amazon but otherwise yeah, frost frame + melee axe + rifle for free

[Sithis]

Originally posted by ᵏᶤᵚᶤ‰:

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

Get frost prime for free with twitch prime (if you have twitch prime/amazonprime/qualify for an amazon prime free trial)

you need a credit card to sign up for amazon but otherwise yeah, frost frame + melee axe + rifle for free

just don't forget to unbind your card afterwards, if you don't want to get charged for Prime Amazon once the Trial expires.

As to the OP - yeah, I'll sign with those saying you should get Frost first. Ember is a nice warframe, don't get me wrong, but to get to the top of her facemelting potential you need a number of mods you might not have early on, whereas Frost has more utility and makes a few problematic mission types much more tolerable early-game.