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Maraxus 2017 年 11 月 5 日 下午 8:19
Bounty Leeches
Hey guys, just wanted to give my two cents about an issue I've been seeing lately.

There seems to be a lot of players who join into bounties that go off and fish or mine, but still get full rewards for the bounty that the rest of their team worked hard for. Could we possibly get any sort of reward reduction for these guys so they don't leech off the rest of us who work for our loot?
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MADX0 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:01 
and why dont the set the same mechanics as regular mission when 50% of the squad reaches the exit a countdown is activated?
Anonn 20 16 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:01 
引用自 MADX0
Well look at tha... they guy didnt wanted to extract andso I had to bring him some friends XD
I wouldnt just abort a tier 4 bounty with lots of cores...

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1193650164
you can now extract alone. if you leave the squad you get host migration for yourself and getting into plains again alone and you can extract without losing anything
最后由 Anonn 20 16 编辑于; 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:02
MADX0 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:02 
引用自 anon2017
引用自 MADX0
Well look at tha... they guy didnt wanted to extract andso I had to bring him some friends XD
I wouldnt just abort a tier 4 bounty with lots of cores...

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1193650164
you can now extract alone. if you leave the squad you get host migration for yourself and you can extract without losing anything
nice to know, but I wasnt goint to risk it without being certain...
Maraxus 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:04 
引用自 anon2017
引用自 King Maraxus
Because it's not fair that they are able to sit around and mooch off the efforts of other people without having to do anything themselves, and there's not a thing we can do to stop them.
there is. call them out and leave the mission. i know it's not ideal to be doing this but since we have no other option this is the only thing. i have called people out lots of times in hieracon because they don't do anything and hopefuly through that i made them realise that's a d!ck move. i don't believe they will change but if i can just make 1 person see that what he does is wrong then i'm fine with it. but that's a big problem and we really need something to counter it but i don't really know what that could be. ( kick vote is out of the question and i don't think there is a need to get into why)
I call them out each time, they just don't care. Being chewed out is a small price to pay for grinding fish and bounties at the same time, so they really aren't going to change that attitude. And we can't very well name and shame since it's not only a cheapshot, but it's also against the rules.

I think it could be easily dealt with by using a system similar to the one used for afk farmers. If they aren't contributing to (or at least trying to GET to) the bounties, then they shouldn't receive any of the rewards or standing.
最后由 Maraxus 编辑于; 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:05
VolOpt 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:05 
I think a good part of the issue is there is no realy good way to "punish" the leechers without making in pretty miserable for everyone else.

For example I've been in a few bounties where by the time I get to the next objective one or two of our groups tryhards have already archwinged there and completed it. So you can't really go by proximity to the mission area. Which would otherwise probably be the best mechanism to weed out people who aren't doing anything.

Inactivity timers also aren't going to work because they will just move the minimum ammount required to keep those from locking them out of loot/drops.

Now in all fairness I have only joined a hand full of bounty parties as most of the time I solo. So I havn't really run into many of these leeches, I can definitely understand how frustraiting they can be tho. However I just can't see any easy fix that doesn't have the potential to go past just the leeches and effect those who just don't run as fast.

I can only assume the hand full of times that I've missed out on the mission area it's been a cache search or capture. Most of the time I mentally tune out the Lotus and just bullet jump like crazy for the marker.
Anonn 20 16 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:06 
引用自 MADX0
引用自 anon2017
you can now extract alone. if you leave the squad you get host migration for yourself and you can extract without losing anything
nice to know, but I wasnt goint to risk it without being certain...
yeah they made this because some people are id!ots. you can extract safely so don't worry!! oh another thing you should know tho is that if you are in a squad and the host leaves then you don't get anything and you are thrown out of the plains. at least that's what happened to me 4 times now in squads after hunting eidolons so be aware that this is a thing too.
VolOpt 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:11 
引用自 anon2017
引用自 MADX0
nice to know, but I wasnt goint to risk it without being certain...
yeah they made this because some people are id!ots. you can extract safely so don't worry!! oh another thing you should know tho is that if you are in a squad and the host leaves then you don't get anything and you are thrown out of the plains. at least that's what happened to me 4 times now in squads after hunting eidolons so be aware that this is a thing too.

Yeah the major problem with the Eidolons us unlike bounties or mining/fishing they don't seem to update the loot servers. So once you finish a bounty or decide you're done mining/fishing you can pretty much Alt+F4 out of the game and your stuff should "in theory" be fine. At least the bounty reward/mining/fishing resources, I think everything else gets nuked.

The Cores from the Eidolons on the other hand do not update the loot server(s) when they are picked up. Which unfortunately means that a bad host migration/game crash can undo in an instant everything that you have worked for up to that point.
Jork 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:12 
just play solo or stick with friends

there's no sense in pubbing when they'll all just leech and make it harder for you to get anything done due to upscaling
最后由 Jork 编辑于; 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:12
MADX0 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 9:20 
引用自 anon2017
引用自 MADX0
nice to know, but I wasnt goint to risk it without being certain...
yeah they made this because some people are id!ots. you can extract safely so don't worry!! oh another thing you should know tho is that if you are in a squad and the host leaves then you don't get anything and you are thrown out of the plains. at least that's what happened to me 4 times now in squads after hunting eidolons so be aware that this is a thing too.
yeah, I think that one of the issues here are the host based sessions... some guys have some crappy connection speed and my fps go to hell... there should be PoE servers, I mean player-2-server instead of player-2-player(host)... or whatever is the proper term for it...

maybe I should find / create a post for this but...
why are we forced to enter Cetus to accept bounties? Id rather do that from the liset? an extraction method to leave straght to space, launch you onsome sort of scap epod, a tractor beam, archwing like extraction... anything...

Its like if you neededd to enter a Relay in order to accept Syndicate missions...

anyways, thanks for the update, saved me a headache...
Bowbie 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:25 
The issue i see with those leech isn't that they are AFK (there always been afks) but it is that at the end of the bounty, they get MORE LOOT THAN YOU for being a greedy selfish ♥♥♥♥. You are somehow punished for doing the bounty.
最后由 Bowbie 编辑于; 2017 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:27
Coup d' oeil 2017 年 11 月 6 日 下午 1:09 
no kicking. Even though leeches suck. It can be abused. Like people voting to kick newer players out of defense mission etc. If you feel like kicking maybe you should not be pubbing .Join a clan or play only with friends. Kicking is insidious on a comminity in the long term.

I say share in their profits or an AFK timer.
Eryx626 2017 年 11 月 6 日 下午 1:14 
avoid any discomfort by switching to solo mode or make pre-made groups!!! problem solved ...
fragball 2017 年 11 月 6 日 下午 1:44 
引用自 MADX0
引用自 anon2017
you can now extract alone. if you leave the squad you get host migration for yourself and you can extract without losing anything
nice to know, but I wasnt goint to risk it without being certain...
and you rightly not to risk it, for the system is still buggy if you aren't the host. i had all kind of "issues" with it: lost standing, lost rewards, everything lost or nothing lost, but had to alt+f4 out and restart the game (and had at least all rewards i could check on added to the account).
i would prefer a vote-kick system, but getting afk-player killed is my 2nd best hobby too ^.^
Salt_Extractor 2017 年 11 月 6 日 下午 2:14 
Well kicking doesnt have to mean the person doesnt get anything.
You can just vote to kick and that person goes to his own session, all progress is kept. So leeches are forced to do the actual mission. And Im pretty sure most of the community wouldnt vote out newer players, especialy if you needed 3 votes.
MADX0 2017 年 11 月 6 日 下午 2:59 
引用自 Fragball
引用自 MADX0
nice to know, but I wasnt goint to risk it without being certain...
and you rightly not to risk it, for the system is still buggy if you aren't the host. i had all kind of "issues" with it: lost standing, lost rewards, everything lost or nothing lost, but had to alt+f4 out and restart the game (and had at least all rewards i could check on added to the account).
i would prefer a vote-kick system, but getting afk-player killed is my 2nd best hobby too ^.^
He sticked arround the whole bounty and performed about 2% dmg & kills, but when the time to extract came he just went fishing and wiuldn answer the chat, he wasnt afking, maybe he thought there were better fish at tier 4 bounties dont know, he never answered the chat so I felt the need to motivate him to leave.
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