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On the other...
First, these grenads are created directly by Vauban. You have an infinite stash of those, and you can spam them to your heart's content. In effect, these grenades 'come out of' Vauban, so if anything, at least, 'creating ability-marking grenades' is his ability.
Second, these grenades seem to be identical to one another, and their use directly taps into your Energy reserve. I'd argue, these grenades aren't the abilities themselves, but rather, makrers as to where to project Vauban's ability to; kind of like IR markers or something. They can also be 'conduits' - a supplimental device that allows Vauban's power to manifest itself at a remote position, not around that warframe directly.
Third is a spoiler. Warframes on their own posess no abilities whatsoever. Instead, they are used to channel the Operators' Void Powers, effectively being a virtual equivalent of staves, runes or wands in certain fantasy universes - they do not 'create' magic; rather, they shape their operator's magic accordingly. It's that, unlike many warframes that can only channel the Operator's power onto themselves or their immediate surroundings (fireballs and such also fall under that category, as you create a fireball in your hand, only launching it either by throwing or channeling additional 'mana' to propel them); yet, Vauban goes around this limitation by using a secondary device to reroute the channeled energy from the warframe itself to a designated point of space. He isn't the only warframe to do so, but there aren't many of those who do.
"Warframes on their own posess no abilities whatsoever."
Is there something i can read that can confirm this
" they are used to channel the Operators' Void Powers"
If thats the case, then each warframe is designed to aid in preforming a specfic function other wise we would see any warframe using any power.
"they shape their operator's magic accordingly" it seems vauban doesnt do anything to shape the magic it honestly seems the grenades are seperate and not needed. Why cant vuaban just set up a huge wall or create vortexs? why would he need a grenade to achieve this. the grenades seem like a useless extra step. As multiple warframe can already create walls with out the need of these grenades.
No not really, i just feel like its odd. why is vauban even a warframe when its grenades that do the ability? It seems each warframe is built to accomplish a function but vauban has no function. its his grenades that do. Thus meaning the creation of vauban was an unnecessary. Just give other warfames his grenades, why waste the resources on an entirely new frame (lore wise)
NOPE.
LITERALLY ONLY VAUBAN CAN THROW GRENADES.
Vauban seems to have been designed as a "tactical" frame. Clearly not a frontline fighter, but rather a frame with tools to confuse and distress the enemy. He was made to lay traps, setup ambushes, and to aid allies indirectly without even having to be there. He seems to literally be able to produce his tools, and power them with the frames own energy. Think about it, he literally never runs out of them, they have to be regenerating. And as long as his frame has energy, he can generate and use those grenades/devices. In addition, his grenades NEED energy to function. They seem to be linked to him and are powered by him directly, as indicated by them losing all function when he hits a nullifier field. Not anyone could use them, they need a power source.
Yes it seems silly that all he has are his grenades, but he was made with that purpose. Just like all Ember has is fire, and nothing else. The Orokin "vision" for that frame was to be a battlefield tactician and nothing more. The grenades and what they can become are all just a part of the whole "tactical" theme.
Also if it seems like I"m reaching with the whole "Orokin vision" thing, read some of the lore bits regarding the frames from the Orokin perspective. They seem to see the frames as works of art, and not just classless weapons. Also return to my Stalker example. Stalker's warframe is very versitile, possesing powers that are split between other frames. He clearly modified his frame to do so, but it means that the frames are limited from the get go. Or look at a frame like Chroma, who has the capability of doing four different damage types with a small modification. The Orokin limited the warframes, designing them for specific purposes both functionally and aesthetically....ya know...because they were a bunch of idiots high on their own superiority.
Throwing out the lore though, he's the "tactical engineer with all the whacky gadgets" stereotype although they could have done a better job doing so. Referencing his in game description and saying it only calls them grenades though is an odd point to make. I mean, the in game descriptions are crap and they're not "lore" or anything. Hell half of them reference "players".
If that idea gets you stumped, think about something more interesting like how the VFX from animations such as Zephs twisters, Embers flame, or Volts electric being moved between frames even if doesn't make sense like a Atlus with Zephs twisters.
If anyone thinks it makes sense then none of excals abilities are special. Specialized but not special.
Also a little more something to think about, there's a theory/rule that matter can't simply be created from nothing, it has to come from somewhere else. Think on that.
He is like the iron man or batman of warframe.
Can you materialize grenades with multiple functions from your hands??
But you already argued that you still wouldnt count it as an ability (vauban clearly generate his grenades) but for ember it is ok?
GG OP, you're just one of these guys who would never admit that they were wrong
Just dont open a discussion if you're unable to think for at least 5 seconds.
fking troll
I think the issue here is whether the effects of his abilities come from him or from his grenades.
If I can take one of Vauban's grenades, throw it and still have the same effect as if Vauban did it, then Vauban has no abilities. The ability comes from the grenades.
If Vauban is using tech that I can also wear to "activate" the grenades and still produce the same effects, he has no abilities. The ability comes from that tech.
If however, Vauban feeds some kind of energy or whatever that nobody else but him can to make the grenades work the same way, then yes, Vauban had abilities because even if I take the grenades and throw them, it won't work unless I feed them with something that is innate to Vauban and Vauban alone.
I'm calling BS, red flag on the play. That does'nt even make sense lol.
If that is truly valid to you or anyone else then that means any frame at anytime can do what another frame can, whenever and wherever they want. Which makes everything of what I said before the bottom line and end all be all of this topic. In a nutshell it's all a gimic, he materializes it from within out from his hands /look at his hands/, and SPOILER ALERT */frames are just machines-golems/ if you really wanted to you could control one with the right tools, as we have all seen from Alad V and the Grineer queens.*