Nitain Extract: Annoying. Rare. Alert only

[Spall]

So I'm building saryn prime, and all i need now is the nitain extract. But why is it so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rare through alerts, I got 1 in a day and its Bs. I missed the other chance but why? Its 10 plat through the shop and Im not willing to buy 70 plat worth of resources. Also its allways singular when you get em. Its totally not cool.

[Omnipresent Oatmeal]

Publicado originalmente por Nighty:

20 nitain to build Vauban Prime, k fu DE.

There's a reason you can do Nitain alerts before you decide to build something that needs them.

[Dr Nighty]

And it pîsses me off, that you need NITAIN to craft every single thing in this game. Want a decent weapon ? 3-5 nitain, wanna build Prime gear that you farmed for motherfocking hours ? use 3/5 nitain. I'm gonna probably take a break from Warframe, just because of Nitain. I'm tired of farming that thing twice a day .... Thank god Destiny 2 is in the Horizon.

[Omnipresent Oatmeal]

Publicado originalmente por Nighty:

And it pîsses me off, that you need NITAIN to craft every single thing in this game. Want a decent weapon ? 3-5 nitain, wanna build Prime gear that you farmed for motherfocking hours ? use 3/5 nitain. I'm gonna probably take a break from Warframe, just because of Nitain. I'm tired of farming that thing twice a day .... Thank god Destiny 2 is in the Horizon.

No.
Everything does not need Nitain.
Most Primes do not need Nitain. If they do, it's generally only one or two pieces.

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Nitain_Extract
Here's some what needs it.

• Every part of Amesha
  
• Lenz
  
• Javlok
  
• Two Ivara parts
  
• Every part of Vauban Prime
  
• Scourge
  
• Ohma
  
• Pox
  
• Oberon Prime Neuroptics
  
• Nekros Prime Neuroptics
  
• Hirudo
  
• Destreza
  
• Caustacyst
  
• Broken War
  
• War
  
• Zhuge
  
• Saryn Prim Chassis and Systms
  
• Titania Chassis
  
• A crapton of cosmetics
  
  Notice how most of those items aren't Primes.

[Sithis]

Publicado originalmente por Omnipresent Oatmeal:

Publicado originalmente por Nighty:

And it pîsses me off, that you need NITAIN to craft every single thing in this game. Want a decent weapon ? 3-5 nitain, wanna build Prime gear that you farmed for motherfocking hours ? use 3/5 nitain. I'm gonna probably take a break from Warframe, just because of Nitain. I'm tired of farming that thing twice a day .... Thank god Destiny 2 is in the Horizon.

No.
Everything does not need Nitain.
Most Primes do not need Nitain. If they do, it's generally only one or two pieces.

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Nitain_Extract
Here's some what needs it.

• Every part of Amesha
  
• Lenz
  
• Javlok
  
• Two Ivara parts
  
• Every part of Vauban Prime
  
• Scourge
  
• Ohma
  
• Pox
  
• Oberon Prime Neuroptics
  
• Nekros Prime Neuroptics
  
• Hirudo
  
• Destreza
  
• Caustacyst
  
• Broken War
  
• War
  
• Zhuge
  
• Saryn Prim Chassis and Systms
  
• Titania Chassis
  
• A crapton of cosmetics
  
  Notice how most of those items aren't Primes.

Also notice how those items are not exactly 'all' items in the game. In fact, absolute most good weapons and items do not require it.

[k9m1h742]

Publicado originalmente por Nuuvii:

So I'm building saryn prime, and all i need now is the nitain extract. But why is it so ♥♥♥♥ing rare through alerts, I got 1 in a day and its Bs. I missed the other chance but why? Its 10 plat through the shop and Im not willing to buy 70 plat worth of resources. Also its allways singular when you get em. Its totally not cool.

Its not alert only it you can also get it from sabatoge caches
doesnt even take that long
also the wIki is a useful resource

[Dr Nighty]

Nitain is the only ressource that can make people quit Warframe, So i don't really know what you guys at DE hq have been smoking, but that shet needs to be looked at. Peace !

[WereChicken]

Publicado originalmente por Sithis:

Publicado originalmente por Omnipresent Oatmeal:

No.
Everything does not need Nitain.
Most Primes do not need Nitain. If they do, it's generally only one or two pieces.

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Nitain_Extract
Here's some what needs it.

• Every part of Amesha
  
• Lenz
  
• Javlok
  
• Two Ivara parts
  
• Every part of Vauban Prime
  
• Scourge
  
• Ohma
  
• Pox
  
• Oberon Prime Neuroptics
  
• Nekros Prime Neuroptics
  
• Hirudo
  
• Destreza
  
• Caustacyst
  
• Broken War
  
• War
  
• Zhuge
  
• Saryn Prim Chassis and Systms
  
• Titania Chassis
  
• A crapton of cosmetics
  
  Notice how most of those items aren't Primes.

Also notice how those items are not exactly 'all' items in the game. In fact, absolute most good weapons and items do not require it.

...Apart from the fact that almost everything good that has been added since Nitan was introduced do need it. Also Nitan is in about half as many things as control modules.... Yet control modules are stupidly common, for an alledgedly rare resource and have been around much, much longer, and nitan is severely time-gated.

For most players 20 Nitan represents 20 days, maybe less as on the weekend you might get 2 a day. That's assuming you play every day and long enough to get the alert.

Publicado originalmente por sathen91:

Publicado originalmente por Nuuvii:

So I'm building saryn prime, and all i need now is the nitain extract. But why is it so ♥♥♥♥ing rare through alerts, I got 1 in a day and its Bs. I missed the other chance but why? Its 10 plat through the shop and Im not willing to buy 70 plat worth of resources. Also its allways singular when you get em. Its totally not cool.

Its not alert only it you can also get it from sabatoge caches
doesnt even take that long
also the wIki is a useful resource

Are you smoking crack? It has a 1-2% drop chance if you find all three caches. I'd call that something that takes a pretty damned long amount of time!
http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Nitain_Extract

[Luke3079]

Vauban is a scary one

[Sithis]

Publicado originalmente por WereChicken:

...Apart from the fact that almost everything good that has been added since Nitan was introduced do need it. Also Nitan is in about half as many things as control modules.... Yet control modules are stupidly common, for an alledgedly rare resource and have been around much, much longer, and nitan is severely time-gated.

For most players 20 Nitan represents 20 days, maybe less as on the weekend you might get 2 a day. That's assuming you play every day and long enough to get the alert.

...so Sybaris Prime, Sylva and Aegis Pr, Tigris Pr, Euphona Pr, AkLex Pr, Cernos Pr, Tenora, Knell, Endura, Broken Scepter, Guandao, Jat Kusar and so on - are not good weapons?

About control modules - yeah, agreed, those are suspiciously common later on to be called a rare item (however, they are a problem to get your hands on when you're only starting the game, so there's that. Probably should be some balance added to change it - say, make them available on some earlier-level mission, but cut their drop a bit on later missions); Nitain, again, agreed, is a painful timegate.

About 20days=20Nitain - I refer you to my previous argument. Quite a lot of people with full-day jobs actually are at an even bigger disadvantage here, and farming those four Nitain for, I dunno, a single Amesha piece can take them over a month of actually playing the game almost daily but in one and the same time. And it would've been awesome if I could just give my boss a paper saying:

"I, NameSurname, request an additional paid unscheduled vacation day on 2nd of September, 2017 to farm some Nitain in Warframe.

Date.
Signature."

Unfortunately, that's not how it works. And yes, that's legitimately sad.

[WereChicken]

Publicado originalmente por Sithis:

Publicado originalmente por WereChicken:

...Apart from the fact that almost everything good that has been added since Nitan was introduced do need it. Also Nitan is in about half as many things as control modules.... Yet control modules are stupidly common, for an alledgedly rare resource and have been around much, much longer, and nitan is severely time-gated.

For most players 20 Nitan represents 20 days, maybe less as on the weekend you might get 2 a day. That's assuming you play every day and long enough to get the alert.

...so Sybaris Prime, Sylva and Aegis Pr, Tigris Pr, Euphona Pr, AkLex Pr, Cernos Pr, Tenora, Knell, Endura, Broken Scepter, Guandao, Jat Kusar and so on - are not good weapons?

For starters all Prime weapons only take parts and the broken scepter is a quest reward. So those types of items will never have a cost, the fact you included them shows you were desperate to pad out your point as then you only have a grand total of three weapons in your example that cost actual resources, none of which I would describe as fantastic, alright, but not great.

[Sithis]

Publicado originalmente por WereChicken:

Publicado originalmente por Sithis:

...so Sybaris Prime, Sylva and Aegis Pr, Tigris Pr, Euphona Pr, AkLex Pr, Cernos Pr, Tenora, Knell, Endura, Broken Scepter, Guandao, Jat Kusar and so on - are not good weapons?

For starters all Prime weapons only take parts and the broken scepter is a quest reward. So those items that will never have a cost, the fact you included them shows you were desperate to pad out your point as then you only have a grand total of three weapons in your example that cost actual resources, none of which I would describe as fantastic, alright, but not great.

First, you say 'almost everything good that has been added since Nitan was introduced do need it', you don't say anything about if it's possible for Primes to have Nitain costs, you simply state "almost everything good" - and of all the things added since the Nitain update, most actually good items are (subjectively - come on, some people love AkLato) Prime ones.

Second, "Tenora, Knell, Endura, Broken Scepter, Guandao, Jat Kusar" is six, minus the Scepter it's five, not three, and these are only the things I remember off the top of my head, skipping items that are, indeed, not good by any definition of the word. I'm also not mentioning that most of the weapons on the 'requires Nitain' list are not that special, either, and aren't worth the Nitain you spend on them.

[Bellcross]

That moment when you have 160 Nitain and you see this types of discussions .

[WereChicken]

Publicado originalmente por Sithis:

Publicado originalmente por WereChicken:

For starters all Prime weapons only take parts and the broken scepter is a quest reward. So those items that will never have a cost, the fact you included them shows you were desperate to pad out your point as then you only have a grand total of three weapons in your example that cost actual resources, none of which I would describe as fantastic, alright, but not great.

First, you say 'almost everything good that has been added since Nitan was introduced do need it', you don't say anything about if it's possible for Primes to have Nitain costs, you simply state "almost everything good" - and of all the things added since the Nitain update, most actually good items are (subjectively - come on, some people love AkLato) Prime ones.

Second, "Tenora, Knell, Endura, Broken Scepter, Guandao, Jat Kusar" is six, minus the Scepter it's five, not three, and these are only the things I remember off the top of my head, skipping items that are, indeed, not good by any definition of the word. I'm also not mentioning that most of the weapons on the 'requires Nitain' list are not that special, either, and aren't worth the Nitain you spend on them.

The fact remains you were deliberately using items that have never had build costs beyond their parts and cells to pad out your argument.

Also I would say that the lenz is very good and popular weapon the Amesha is the best arkwing (admittably not exactly high praise) and War is regarded as the best non-prime heavy blade.

My point was that a significant chunk of new content all has Nitain in the build requirements.

Primed weapons don't count as they are always parts. They also don't really count as new weapons either as they are just upgrades to older weapons.

[Sithis]

Publicado originalmente por WereChicken:

The fact remains you were deliberately using items that have never had build costs beyond their parts and cells to pad out your argument.

Also I would say that the lenz is very good and popular weapon the Amesha is the best arkwing (admittably not exactly high praise) and War is regarded as the best non-prime heavy blade.

My point was that a significant chunk of new content all has Nitain in the build requirements.

Primed weapons don't count as they are always parts. They also don't really count as new weapons either as they are just upgrades to older weapons.

Dude. The only reason I brought those up was because of the 'everything good' argument; otherwise, I completely agree with the "a lot of the new stuff has Nitain in its recipes which isn't something good" part.

Also, War is cool, so is Guandao and Galatine, so it's debatable which one is the best; Lenz is... Basically, a gimmicky Ogris with 60 extra damage and with 5% Status chance (correct me if I'm wrong, but the explosion does not seem to have a Crit chance, only the arrow itself?), and firerate of it is actually worse than Ogris' (chargeup is 1.2 against 0.8). Amesha - again, I haven't even touched Warframes (and archwings) because, typically, it relies to much on the playstile, as most (even if not all) of them have rather different toolkits available to them; they're typically just too different to compare them completely objectively.

So, yeah, it's likely to be a difference in opinion, but still. To re-iterate, aside from the 'everything good' part, I agree with your argument.
Peace? ;D

[WereChicken]

Fairy nough.

Incidentally lenz is much better than ogris as you can hold the shot, rather than it firing as soon as the shot is charged (at least you can't do that with ogris). I think there's a separate roll for the explosion if it trigger crit chance although not sure.