is the boltor good or suck?

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[Watermelons]

it's aight

[Hanki]

Is good

[Zefar]

First Boltor is meh but Boltor Prime is is a lot better. Easily top tier in the automatic rifle department.

[Hanki]

Originally posted by Zefar:

First Boltor is meh but Boltor Prime is is a lot better. Easily top tier in the automatic rifle department.

Well, it's vaulted so this guy will have to do with Telos boltor unless he did get a set

[WereChicken]

For a long time boltor was considered the best main weapon in the game, though these days I imagine it's lack of status or crit chance has reduced it's status a little.

[Watermelons]

Originally posted by WereChicken:

For a long time boltor was considered the best main weapon in the game, though these days I imagine it's lack of status or crit chance has reduced it's status a little.

Well, for the same reason Soma Prime is popular, it's because of a bunch of dunces throughout the community screamed about how awesome it was, and then every two bit player believed it to be the best, and top tier.

I never understood how people couldn't see past that.

[WereChicken]

Originally posted by A Metric Assload of Watermelons:

Originally posted by WereChicken:

For a long time boltor was considered the best main weapon in the game, though these days I imagine it's lack of status or crit chance has reduced it's status a little.

Well, for the same reason Soma Prime is popular, it's because of a bunch of dunces throughout the community screamed about how awesome it was, and then every two bit player believed it to be the best, and top tier.

I never understood how people couldn't see past that.

Hey soma prime is pretty good with a bladed rounds and argon scope build.

For boltor I think it's the amount of DPS it can deal, also the fact it nails enemies to the wall when you kill them.

[Watermelons]

Originally posted by WereChicken:

Originally posted by A Metric Assload of Watermelons:

Well, for the same reason Soma Prime is popular, it's because of a bunch of dunces throughout the community screamed about how awesome it was, and then every two bit player believed it to be the best, and top tier.

I never understood how people couldn't see past that.

Hey soma prime is pretty good with a bladed rounds and argon scope build.

For boltor I think it's the amount of DPS it can deal, also the fact it nails enemies to the wall when you kill them.

Yes, Bladed Rounds and Argon Scope. Two event mods. And Argon Scope being a very rare mod. I did countless runs and never got that. I think a buddy of mine did though.

That event has only come back once, for a total of two separate opportunities for players to nab them.

My point being, defending a build for a weapon shouldn't require event mods like that, not until they come back permanently. Especially rarer mods like Argon Scope.

[WereChicken]

Originally posted by A Metric Assload of Watermelons:

Originally posted by WereChicken:

Hey soma prime is pretty good with a bladed rounds and argon scope build.

For boltor I think it's the amount of DPS it can deal, also the fact it nails enemies to the wall when you kill them.

Yes, Bladed Rounds and Argon Scope. Two event mods. And Argon Scope being a very rare mod. I did countless runs and never got that. I think a buddy of mine did though.

That event has only come back once, for a total of two separate opportunities for players to nab them.

My point being, defending a build for a weapon shouldn't require event mods like that, not until they come back permanently. Especially rarer mods like Argon Scope.

That's not exactly fair.

Many people do have those mods, also if you were around to get the soma prime (which itself was a limited time weapon and the stock had a abysmal drop chance) then you were probably around for the stalker event.

Also I meant alright as in, sortie worthy. (also hammershot and heavy caliber are decent replacements and are always available)

I never get the hate the popular weapons get, I mean soma and boltor are fun and do a decent amount of damage, it's pretty easy to see why they are considered top tier.

[Watermelons]

Originally posted by WereChicken:

Originally posted by A Metric Assload of Watermelons:

Yes, Bladed Rounds and Argon Scope. Two event mods. And Argon Scope being a very rare mod. I did countless runs and never got that. I think a buddy of mine did though.

That event has only come back once, for a total of two separate opportunities for players to nab them.

My point being, defending a build for a weapon shouldn't require event mods like that, not until they come back permanently. Especially rarer mods like Argon Scope.

That's not exactly fair.

Many people do have those mods, also if you were around to get the soma prime (which itself was a limited time weapon and the stock had a abysmal drop chance) then you were probably around for the stalker event.

Also I meant alright as in, sortie worthy. (also hammershot and heavy caliber are decent replacements and are always available)

I never get the hate the popular weapons get, I mean soma and boltor are fun and do a decent amount of damage, it's pretty easy to see why they are considered top tier.

Many, but not everyone. And certainly not newer player without shelling out platinum.

Speaking of newer players, I believe the "hate" was mostly generated because of those pubs, those pubs. Players at lowish MR and lowish hours or sometimes many hours, sporting Rhino Prime and some combination of Boltor Prime, Soma Prime, Lex Prime, Marelok, Kulstar, Angstrum, Orthos Prime, Dakra Prime, Nikana Prime, etc, and of course Carrier Prime. All this cultivated into the ultimate "scrub" in many people's eyes. And in plenty of cases, it was justified. When you see these people running all this gear at rank 30, in such low level planets. Not even around popular grinding spots, just low level places. I've seen them. I've helped out new players, joining them so that their matchmaking is set to Public. We'd get grouped with such asses, who would rush and run through the entire mission, never giving the new guy a chance to get his bearings and figure out what the hell is happening.


Regardless, I myself don't hate the weapons, I only think they're overrated. Sortie worthy? Sure, maybe. But they aren't the absolute best choices, I wouldn't call them top tier. Just, very good. High tier. I don't trust them at the very least at the third sortie mission.

[WereChicken]

I'd say they have fallen off the top now and I get what you mean about the try hards who speed through the missions and hog all the kills.

I should say that most of the weapons you mentioned and rhino Prime especially are considered more fun/ nice to use than anything else. Also rhino prime (which is my main) is a damn good frame with excellent survivability and team support, especially in sorties where his main job is revive his team mates and provide added CC and damage boosting. Incidentally carrier prime is literally the only sentinel that's actually got any durability and given how useful sentinels are for vacuum it's not exactly difficult to see why that's used everywhere.

[Watermelons]

Originally posted by WereChicken:

I'd say they have fallen off the top now and I get what you mean about the try hards who speed through the missions and hog all the kills.

I should say that most of the weapons you mentioned and rhino Prime especially are considered more fun/ nice to use than anything else. Also rhino prime (which is my main) is a damn good frame with excellent survivability and team support, especially in sorties where his main job is revive his team mates and provide added CC and damage boosting. Incidentally carrier prime is literally the only sentinel that's actually got any durability and given how useful sentinels are for vacuum it's not exactly difficult to see why that's used everywhere.

Not gonna get into a fight about Sentinels and their usefulness, I have always made a point of showing other people that Carrier isn't the only viable sent.

I've used Shade for the longest time, and now I've stuck exclusively to Taxon due to the shield thing, especially in combination with Shield Charger and Guardian, which ensures that Overshield gets built up fast.

Wyrm has a decent crowd control ability though it is the least tanky Sentinel.

Djinn has another fine CC ability that also gives you some bonuses with the Gazal machete.

Shade gives you cloaking even when you haven't got a cloaking Warframe, which can really save your hide while doing something like hacking or reviving among a huge crowd of enemies. It also has the highest health, which means someone like a Desecrate/Despoil Nekros can keep it alive for a long time.

Diriga came with an excellent weapon, and is also fairly decent at crowd control.

Dethcube I will agree is meh. It's been outdamaged by Diriga's Vulklok and Carrier's Sweeper, and it overs no real CC aside from a single hit laser zap that falls off in damage.

Helios is in a class of its own for its scanning utility and fun CC-able Deconstructor.

Carrier steps away from CC by giving us extra ammo total and ammo mutation. My issue with this is that I rarely if ever actually need this. Aside from using low ammo weapons, like the Lenz of late, but even then, ammo is plentiful. Actually, the Lenz is a bad example, since it has innate ammo mutation. Also the Simaris mod to make Carrier shoot crates is....not at all useful. I could bring an Ignis and do the same thing while also melting the faces of my enemies.

[What Up Doc]

Boltor prime and telos boltor (nearly the same gun, sorry boltor prime fan club) are good up till sortie level enemies, however if you want to go past that you will need a weapon that deals good status per second, which the boltor family realy lacks. bottom line, good for sorties, falls off in endurance ( endurance being survivals 2 hours and up)

[WereChicken]

I was talking more the health armour and shield stats. I agree the other sentinels all have good uses, the problem is that carrier prime is the only one which doesn't get one shotted by any AoE on high level missions (instead it takes 3) To be honest I hardly use it's actual ability and have it just for the stats.

All of the other sentinels badly need their stats buffing. For example, wyrm prime should be a lot tougher than carrier prime as it's supposed to be a sentinel for close combat with it's added CC.

Either that or implement a system where when a sentinel dies we have a timer or something and then it respawns.

[Mocha]

Boltor prime and mirages hall of mirrors...

Its so beautiful.