How do I not die as Mag?

[Gomaboo]

Mag is so incredibly difficult for me to play, I love her theme but she just dies so much and it's extremely frustrating.
People say "you just need to get better with her" but the problem I have with that is she is a beginner frame and should be easy to use.

Is there something I'm just not getting? Or is Mag really only good when she is stuffed in a one entrance room with a narrow hallway (but not too narrow because then the walls will eat the punchthrough on your weapons)? Even when I do that, Grineer just shoot through Magnetize, Corpus Nullifiers collapse it by braising it, and Infested just run through it.

I really want to like/play Mag, but that's really hard when she is magnetized to the floor facedown rather than playing the game.

[kknd]

Mag is an extrmely poor choise of starter frame. On basically every level.
Her passive is for the most part non-functional.

Her first ability seems great initally, but rapidly becomes near useless save in a specalist CC role that you need mods no new player will have acess to to make functional.

Her second ability is a damn useful tool, but it's interaction with hitscan weapons and bows (The two most common weapon types new players will have) is both counter-intuitive and terrible. If you know the mechanics in detail and have the right gear/mods it's devistating, but new players don't.

Her third ability is another newbie trap, since it SEEMS godlike, but it doesn't scale for ♥♥♥♥ and only provides useful support to a team with an augment mod. (that said the interaction between the 2 and 3 is good, it get's players into the mindset of looking at how powers work together.)

Her fourth ability is the most disgusting newbie trap I've seen since 2ed D&D and it's 'Ivory Tower' design mindset. It sounds awesome, it looks cool and at very low levels is great within it's limited range. But it's scuicide to use at even middling levels and utterly ineffective even WITH the most powerful mod combinations in the game backing it up.

Mag is unbelivably fragile, especially compared to Loki, who used to be a starter frame but had Invisability, Decoy and Disarm for survival tools (hell even swap teleport if your good with it.) Volt can make a direction immune to projectiles, Excalibur can blind an entire room, Mag can maybe knock some of the room down... Both Volt and Excalibur are quite a bit more durable then Mag.

Mag not only needs some reworking, but desperately needs off the starter frame list in favor of something more capable of surviving. Nyx is fragile, but her kit includes methods to draw fire away from her (aggro mechanics aside) and a reasonably effective 'panic button' in Absorb. Sryn not only has Molt, but is one of the more durable female frames and has interaction mechanics between Spore, Lash and Melt.

[UncleGwen]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1082867091

This is my Mag Prime build most of the time. I rarely use her 1 and 4 and focused on her 2 and 3 mostly. Give it a try it's pretty effective for me.

[Sceles]

Meatrocket8 eredeti hozzászólása:

Mag's 2 does not bar off places to enemies, 9/10 enemies can just walk through it.

If you play her correctly and using proper weapons it will kill even sortie lvl enemies the moment they touch it.

[Watermelons]

Why do people always, always forget to mention rolling? OP if you're dying from Toxic procs, why don't you try rolling in sync with the damage ticks? 80% damage reduction is quite amazing. Bullet jumping and avoiding hits isn't enough, you have to learn to absorb them with rolls.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Mag is a bad starter she blooms late super late you need all right mods to make her work BUT once you do--- she's a power house. She can decimate sortie level enemies with ease and beyond, she should bever die if used properly but as a starer? her 1 is lack luster... her 4 is outright crap, and her 2 and 3 require alot of mods to do well. Either tough it out till you can farm rhino and ditch her, or if you havent invested in the account yet, and dont min starting over JUST grab another account and gete xcalibur OR option 3 get someone to taxi you and help grind a better frame. like....LOKI or.....excalibur.... or Rhino---ugg i hate rhino but he is a great starter frame.

[BloodyGustav]

Just do yourself a favor and stop playing Mag, the only thing that is ok about her is Magnetize. But why would you even use that when you can kill mobs that are close together with any decent Gun? Just get Nova or Nyx if you want a usefull casterframe. Mag is just not worth playing untill DE makes her viable.

[Harvester]

Mag is a great starter frame. The problem is she doesn't transition smoothly to higher level play. As others have noted, a lot of mods are required to keep Mag viable, and most new players will not have access to those straight away. Other changes in the game have made this worse over time (nullifiers, enemy weapon buffs, enemy firing scripting).

As a starter, Mag's 1 is great for moving enemies out of the way and to get them to stop shooting at you for a while, very useful. Magnetize is most useful for taking a priority opponent out of the fight, as the o.p. has noted its other functions are unreliable, you don't even have any control over when it collapes. Polarize is OK, but heavy on energy that most new players wont have to spare. Crush (is it still called that?) is a great way to die whilst waving your hands around.

[snee.scampers]

mag was my starter frame and i realy like it

magnetize you do have controll over now you do a recast to make it collapse

[☆SaruもLEX☆]

Omnipresent Oatmeal eredeti hozzászólása:

Meatrocket8 eredeti hozzászólása:

Mag's 3 doesn't restore shields without the augment and doesn't restore shields when you're fighting Grineer or Infested.

She has 1 useful ability that I've seen and it's only good with specific damage types and fire types (e.g. Hitscan weapons with Magnetize do nothing) and I'm just trying to find a way to put that one useful ability to good use outside of a walled off room with one entrance.

Also, Mag without vitality only has 300 HP. If she even sees a Nox she will rear over and die.

On the topic of her 3, I must simply not be taking enough damage then. I'd have sworn that it restored shields.
Regardless...

Use her Magnetize on groups of enemies. You do not need to put it down on a chokepoint for it to be useful. Mod for range and duration and it'll create the chokepoint for you.

On the topic of Nox, however...
Why the ♥♥♥♥ are you getting Toxin procced by Nox? Either you're standing still long enough for him to shoot his goo all over your face, or you're slow enough to get the proc when he explodes about a 1.5 seconds after he dies.

Her 3 does restore your shields, it does it against corpus and grineer. You do not gain "OVERSHIELD" without the augment.

[Gomaboo]

snee.scampers eredeti hozzászólása:

mag was my starter frame and i realy like it

magnetize you do have controll over now you do a recast to make it collapse

That's with the augment.

BloodyGustav eredeti hozzászólása:

Just do yourself a favor and stop playing Mag, the only thing that is ok about her is Magnetize. But why would you even use that when you can kill mobs that are close together with any decent Gun? Just get Nova or Nyx if you want a usefull casterframe. Mag is just not worth playing untill DE makes her viable.

I love Nova and Nyx but the thing is, I'm quite sure a Mag rework is a waaaays away. They're gonna have to rework Hydroid and then Zephyr and then (maybe) Mirage.

kknd eredeti hozzászólása:

Mag is an extrmely poor choise of starter frame. On basically every level.
Her passive is for the most part non-functional.

Her first ability seems great initally, but rapidly becomes near useless save in a specalist CC role that you need mods no new player will have acess to to make functional.

Her second ability is a damn useful tool, but it's interaction with hitscan weapons and bows (The two most common weapon types new players will have) is both counter-intuitive and terrible. If you know the mechanics in detail and have the right gear/mods it's devistating, but new players don't.

Her third ability is another newbie trap, since it SEEMS godlike, but it doesn't scale for ♥♥♥♥ and only provides useful support to a team with an augment mod. (that said the interaction between the 2 and 3 is good, it get's players into the mindset of looking at how powers work together.)

Her fourth ability is the most disgusting newbie trap I've seen since 2ed D&D and it's 'Ivory Tower' design mindset. It sounds awesome, it looks cool and at very low levels is great within it's limited range. But it's scuicide to use at even middling levels and utterly ineffective even WITH the most powerful mod combinations in the game backing it up.

Mag is unbelivably fragile, especially compared to Loki, who used to be a starter frame but had Invisability, Decoy and Disarm for survival tools (hell even swap teleport if your good with it.) Volt can make a direction immune to projectiles, Excalibur can blind an entire room, Mag can maybe knock some of the room down... Both Volt and Excalibur are quite a bit more durable then Mag.

Mag not only needs some reworking, but desperately needs off the starter frame list in favor of something more capable of surviving. Nyx is fragile, but her kit includes methods to draw fire away from her (aggro mechanics aside) and a reasonably effective 'panic button' in Absorb. Sryn not only has Molt, but is one of the more durable female frames and has interaction mechanics between Spore, Lash and Melt.:raven:

And in addition to all that, she is the worst at fighting bosses because her 1 does nothing to them, her 2 does not stick to them (and even if it does its for a VERY short time, as the base duration and range of magnetize are super underwhelming), her 3 tickles them, and her 4 gets her killed by them.

Excal has his exalted blade which absolutely eats bosses for lunch and Volt has speed so with a good melee weapon, it's like a knock-off exalted blade at a cheaper energy cost.

[Bashlis]

how i play mag is max efficiency and max power strength and spam pull when needed, you can clear alot of enemies cause you use pretty much no energy. but some people might get angry at you making a salad out of the enemies.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

BloodyGustav eredeti hozzászólása:

Just do yourself a favor and stop playing Mag, the only thing that is ok about her is Magnetize. But why would you even use that when you can kill mobs that are close together with any decent Gun? Just get Nova or Nyx if you want a usefull casterframe. Mag is just not worth playing untill DE makes her viable.

WoW i don't know if you are just ill informed or what... but Polarize is actually the bigger beneficial skill for Mag since this strips off shields, and ARMOR which is very important in later content. Is more to the game then your own kill count.

Additionally Magnatize can effectively create a kill zone where its centered at, generating a large area of damage where anything that passes through it gets instantly shredded... so while you and your gun kill one enemy at a time, my lanka mag and i will ONE shot everything in a large radius... and to top it off magantize bubbles EXPLODE doing a crap ton of damage to the surrounding area and that damage SCALES! Magnatize also scales since enemy gunfire as we know scales stupidly high that means magantize does to...

People that think mag is bad don't understand how she works a good mag can pretty much dominate a warzone... HER one and only flaw is that her bubbles cant be fired out of...but not even that big a deal since you can just pull people in with you.

Seriously mag is fine but she's just a late bloomer...

[Psychic Kitty]

You know I started playing this game with mag as my frame choice. I selected bow, and throwing knives and all the stealth items...well sword instead of the staff.

But anywise i never really used mags powers until the end of the tutorial missions.....

So i guess what i am trying to say is.....stop relying on mags powers....rely on your weapons.

Do that and the rest of the game will become alot easier.

[Juneau]

Get some Sai, unequip all other weapons, paint Mag black and red, start screaming about memes over voice chat

[Cyber Kitten]

kknd eredeti hozzászólása:

Mag is an extrmely poor choise of starter frame. On basically every level.
Her passive is for the most part non-functional.

Her first ability seems great initally, but rapidly becomes near useless save in a specalist CC role that you need mods no new player will have acess to to make functional.

Her second ability is a damn useful tool, but it's interaction with hitscan weapons and bows (The two most common weapon types new players will have) is both counter-intuitive and terrible. If you know the mechanics in detail and have the right gear/mods it's devistating, but new players don't.

Her third ability is another newbie trap, since it SEEMS godlike, but it doesn't scale for ♥♥♥♥ and only provides useful support to a team with an augment mod. (that said the interaction between the 2 and 3 is good, it get's players into the mindset of looking at how powers work together.)

Her fourth ability is the most disgusting newbie trap I've seen since 2ed D&D and it's 'Ivory Tower' design mindset. It sounds awesome, it looks cool and at very low levels is great within it's limited range. But it's scuicide to use at even middling levels and utterly ineffective even WITH the most powerful mod combinations in the game backing it up.

Mag is unbelivably fragile, especially compared to Loki, who used to be a starter frame but had Invisability, Decoy and Disarm for survival tools (hell even swap teleport if your good with it.) Volt can make a direction immune to projectiles, Excalibur can blind an entire room, Mag can maybe knock some of the room down... Both Volt and Excalibur are quite a bit more durable then Mag.

Mag not only needs some reworking, but desperately needs off the starter frame list in favor of something more capable of surviving. Nyx is fragile, but her kit includes methods to draw fire away from her (aggro mechanics aside) and a reasonably effective 'panic button' in Absorb. Sryn not only has Molt, but is one of the more durable female frames and has interaction mechanics between Spore, Lash and Melt.:raven:

Don't they dare touch my Mag, she is perfect in everyway.

One of the things that 1300+ hours in this game has taught me is that Mag is insane (in a good way) and that this opinion of mag i quoted is not at all true. Maybe only some parts...

I play Mag a lot, maybe too much... (infestation missions...) and i can confirm that she is complex to play, but so damn fun and she is totally one of the most powerful frames in the game.

To play mag, you need to be able to dance around you bubbles (rolling, bullet jumping, etc) and ---NEVER--- stop shooting into the bubbles. She is not a stand still press one button win the game type of frame. You need to know where you are putting yourself and your Mag bubbles in the battlefield at all times. She requires a lot of movement and i can say that when you master her positioning, it is worth it.

First of all, what some people don't realize is that she has a 1st ability. I still don't understand why people underestimate it. Sure it does not do any damage, but it makes all the enemies fall face first into the damn floor, no matter what level as long as there are no ancients around them. It is one of the most useful abilities there are is in the game since it is PERFECT for survivability. USE IT.

Her 2nd is not a tool, it is simply a way of life. You are going to be focusing on her 2nd while fighting. Im not gonna waste my time explaining what it is since you probably already know. just put out as many as you can (max of 3) in the battlefield and make that room/field your fortress while fighting.

If you have energy, use her 3rd for the added damage to the bubbles and for reducing armor/shielding. It may deal bad damage, but don't you forget it makes enemies get attracted to bubbles a LOT more. Also gives you some shield back <3

I never heard of her 4th ability, its a CRUSHing disapointment. (pretty good for low level nuking tbh)

Her passive is totally useless unless you wanna play around with ammo that is on the ground, i agree.

But i can say as a player with 1300+ hours in this game and a Mag "main" that i use her in almost every sortie missions with NO shield or health mods and still be able to complete every single one without getting downed once just by jumping around my bubbles and using my 1st to get the enemies down and my 3rd to feed the bubble damage, im also gonna include the fact i get the least damage taken, most damage dealt and most kills in my squad almost every time. Natural Talent is super useful with Mag, almost necessary since it makes all of her abilites really fluid and her 4th a little bit less of a total suicide. Her only downfall is when she gets slash or toxic procs which will destroy your health.

I also learned that using viral, rad proc guns are REALLY good with Mag. The rad procs are really awesome since the enemies are going to want to shoot into the bubble and at each other giving you a lot of extra damage on the explosion, no matter if it is a bullet or projectile weapon you are using to proc with. I use my asktiletto p and my Wyrm's laser rifle to proc the effects. It works wonders.

You just need to go to the training room and practice playing with her. She requires fast thinking and reflexes from the player to be able to get the right abilties casted at the right time and at the right place. Range mods are going to be your best friends with mag, if you like it or not.

And just for the record, the player must know what they are doing in the game first before they start going into the hard stuff. Some of the stuff that is not "player friendly" are things you can easily find on youtube and learn about. It just depends on the player. Im not saying that a vid is going to get you your maxed Overextended or your Dare Devil reflexes, but at least lets you know what you are modding for and how to position yourself in battle with certain frames. Putting Mag with the starter frames might be a little overkill tho.

I got twice as triggered when you said she needed a rework.