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I asked very openly at the beginning of this that people not try to troll my thread. This feels very much like you're trying to walk along the edge of doing it anyway. Stop it.
And to address your 'concern'. I have no problem with trading in person. And my system is pretty good when it comes to this game. But when I go into Maroo's bazaar and try to trade I either find unresponsive, AFK people just standing there, or get this graphical issue where people only partially rez enough to see what they're trading. I've also had issues in the past with trying to open trade with someone and nothing happening.
.....
If I could tell you how many times I've read people refer to this game as 'Farmframe' and not one single person dispute that comment...
If I could tell you about the saga of my trying to farm up the parts for Saryn Prime and people telling me to 'suck it up, they had to farm WAY more than I do!'...
If I could tell you about going to the LFG channel and BEGGING someone to taxi me to a nitain mission because I haven't unlocked the maps they tend to put them on, and being one of dozens of people doing so...
When I started playing this game, farming and trading were completely unimportant. I never bothered to trade or even to worry about getting anything at all; it was just badass space ninjas takin down the enemy and it was fun. I've only recently run into the need to farm and trade as I maxed out my weapons and warframes... and it's been like riding a rollercoaster only to ram into a brick wall someone built across the track. A THICK one. With metal reinforcement.
I've spent hours sitting in the trade channel trying to get someone to even notice I was posting (when the chat wasn't inexplicably eating my attempts to post over and over). I've had people talk me down and reluctantly given in because there was no way for me to get the item I needed other than by having platinum (the relics RNGsus way laying back on his throne of primes and laughing his @$$ off at me). I've gone to the bazaars and wandered around pointlessly (or seemingly so), looking at prices that I could never hope to meet unless I bought platinum (which I can't do). I've randomly been driven to the point of complaining about it in regional to the general derision of other people who have done WAY more of the same thing than I have.
Meanwhile my weapons sit in the corner, rusting slowly. My Kubrow lays on the floor, too bored to even wander around. Ordis cracks stupid jokes. And the fun is gone.
One of the main reasons I'm asking for this is that it would allow me to search for something I need, FIND it without having to struggle with the boredom and the long downtimes trading requires and get back to playing the game. It would also let me put in requests for items, or post my own stuff. It already takes literal days to craft things; it would be so much better if I didn't also have to take days (or weeks, or months) farming the stuff I need in order to craft.
But most importantly, it would let me get back to being a badass space ninja. Which is the point of the game.
Wow, someone who understands what I'm thinking. I also almost commented on the social anxiety thing, but even though I have it in real life (I actually have a phobia), I don't get it through games and such, which is why I play them so much.
And thanks for pointing out that trade chat won't die just because there's another option. It WOULD slow down some... which would only help it, I'd think.
Maroo bazaar is defective by definition. Good luck actually finding the thing you need there.
The day I completely abandoned in-game trading and started using Market was definetely one of better ones. Because, unlike all the ♥♥♥♥ I just described, it actually works and it has half-decent economy system. There's absolutely no reason not to have something like that in-game.
im a user who uses trade chat a lot, and your points are valid about trade chat.
maroos bazaar is allright i go there when im tired of trying to get rid of one thing and just afk with youtube or something till someone asks me for it.
want to add im cool if DE added a type of auction house, but im not gonna push for it till the devs themselves change their mind on it.
But yeah, GW2 ruined it so hard for me.Those idiots pretty much allow me to make gold and get crafting materials with, like, 3-4 clicks. Oh, the horror! I would have preferred to paitently PM people for 10 minutes straight, then go and meet with them in the world to exchange materials. Stupid devs robbed me of this opportunity to waste my time. How dare they!
People really need to stop trying to use the D3 auction house as an example of anything but bad game design. The reason the auction house "ruined" D3 was because the drop rates in D3 where complete and total garbage. And they always leave out the bit that when Blizzard blamed everything on the RMT auction house and removed it..... they also cranked those drop rates up to make the loot system actually enjoyable instead of one designed to funnel people into the RMT AH.
So as long as DE didn't go crazy with ultra super rare loot with the intention of driving people to an RMT auction house there won't be a problem.
As for the GW2 AH, when I was playing I had no problems with it. Tho I did quit around the time HOT launched because I really didn't feel it was worth their MSRP. So things could have changed since then.
I want to trade, cause I want the platinum to buy more slots, but I dont want to spend money, but I have yet to do so because I am scared of doing something wrong, or offending someone because maybe they think I am trying to scam them, or I didnt know some Warframe specific ettiquite and accidentially offended or pissed someone off. I like being able to put a thing up for trade and just check back later. Then it is just pure supply and demand and patience.
I used to have problem similar to yours in the past (though such things don't get diagnosed in Russia, so I can't say if you have it worse than me or not). Healthy habit of asking myself "Why do I give a ♥♥♥♥ about their reaction?" several times before engaging in conversations fixed it in a year or so.
Instantly, you say? So every time you go to warframe.market to buy something, when you message the person with an item to sell (assuming they're online and in game) they reply right away? That's interesting.
I traded for a mod just last night. I figured there was no point in messaging someone not online either on the website or in game, so I messaged a couple of people. No response. So I went and played the game for a bit. An hour or so later, someone replied, which was pretty impressive. But instant? The other people I messaged never replied and the majority of people on that site for that item were offline.
Now with an auction house/marketplace system in game, it wouldn't MATTER if people were online or not, and I wouldn't have to wait an hour for those who are online to *maybe* notice someone messaged them on another website. I could buy what other players were selling, they would get paid whenever they logged back in, and it really would be instant. And all without having to go to a separate website to get it done.
The only reason it's not getting done is that it would require work from the devs, who don't seem to see that making such things more simple would make the game less boring and stressful, thus attracting more players and keeping the ones who are currently playing interested.
The system I'm talking about is like the one in Tera Online, if you've ever tried it. The 'market' is a combination of being able to post an item with a set price, and being able to post items with a bidding system in place, allowing people to bid at a starting price, then work upwards, bidding against each other.
For example, if I had a mod to sell, I could put it in the marketplace for 4 platinum. Alternately, I could set it up as an auction, saying the starting bid was 2 platinum and letting people compete to see who gets it, potentially getting more platinum if someone REALLY wants the mod. In the case of auctions, I can also put in a 'buy now' price; a cost that I'm willing to accept instead of waiting for the auction to play out. So I could still put in a 4 platinum 'buy now' price if that was good enough, and if someone could meet it, they could just take it right away.
The concept of bots autobuying cheap items and then reposting them would only be a problem in the beginning, because people who do that tend to quickly find themselves holding a ton of stuff no one can afford at the prices they're posting. Also, such people would be pretty easy to track; whereas cheap, bronze mods are easy to come by, it would be unlikely for someone to have tons of rare gold mods, BP or components, thus pointing a big, glowing red finger at anyone who suddenly had a dozen of every rare item.
Also, a couple of things would prevent this from happening that are already in place. Warframe has a trade limit per day. That wouldn't change. So even using a bot, people would be restricted in how much they could trade; the bot couldn't do more than they normally could. The second thing is I doubt high level trade farmers are concerned about anything but absolute top teir items. So they're not likely to try to just snatch up stuff they already have or that would just decrease their abilities. Yes, they could resell those things, but again, their own inventories would point them out as being shady simply because there would be no reason for them to have so many of items they don't even need.
Lastly and most importantly is the fact that most trades would be in platinum. Unless someone felt that it would make sense to invest a crazy amount of platinum into a F2P game they had already mastered... it wouldn't even make sense to use a bot in the marketplace. Taken to an extreme, once this greedy trade farmer got all the frames, unlocked everything, got all the slots and weapons and so forth... what would they need to keep snatching stuff away from other players for?
I played GW2 for a while, but hardly remember it, so maybe I played before the market? ...I can't recall. How did that market ruin GW2?
And D3 was a case of them making things so rare that people were asking stupid amounts of money for it, and more importantly, the concept of being able to trade items for real money in the first place. I do NOT want that to become a thing in Warframe!
lol. The sarcasm is strong with this one~!