quick question, does this game have a katana-esc weapon?

[Mikoto]

yes i already tried searching on both here on the steam discussion and on google but i haven't been able to find an answer to this question

[Blue Mage CXIV]

It's a little bit surprising how many people are anti-katana when they have been shown as one of the best blade types in the world. >.> I blame over-use in a number of other games for this.

[Crusader King]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Twist3dBushido:

It's a little bit surprising how many people are anti-katana when they have been shown as one of the best blade types in the world. >.> I blame over-use in a number of other games for this.

I think it's people being anti-neckbeard than anti some stupid sword.

[AZengus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shadow:

You can sometimes find as loot, or purchase from venders (after around level 5) a sword called Peter Lee's Sword. It is pretty close to a Katana (with a slight fantasy twist). Considered a unique weapon, tyically has some decent stat/skill buff on it and does very nice damage for a 1h weapon. Description given is as follows:

This sword looks like it came from another planet, from another dimension perhaps. On the handle is written "For Peter Lee, made in Japan"... You have no idea who that is or where that is.

Enjoy

The Peter Lee sword looks more like one of these, though - it's a hooked blade:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khopesh

I was going to suggest the Rondel weapons you occasionally pick up - for some strange reason they're called daggers, but they're almost as long as a 2H weapon and very slender. BUt they're straight and my Rogue wields them with one hand, so they're not really close either.

[Blue Mage CXIV]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Darramouss:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Twist3dBushido:

It's a little bit surprising how many people are anti-katana when they have been shown as one of the best blade types in the world. >.> I blame over-use in a number of other games for this.

I think it's people being anti-neckbeard than anti some stupid sword.

Hm...that's possibly the case too. Either way, it's limiting the game's diversity. Which is fine, since this game is already awesome.

[Free Luigi M.]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Twist3dBushido:

It's a little bit surprising how many people are anti-katana when they have been shown as one of the best blade types in the world. >.> I blame over-use in a number of other games for this.

More like is surprising how many people are misinformed about katanas. Usually believing them to be extremely light, thin and deadly blades.
No. They are thick blades, very heavy and unbalanced in favour of the blade. Good for slashing unarmored targets. Also extremely easy to break. Never used in battle unless they had nothing better left. But apparently katana culture comes from manga and animes, lol.

[Mikoto]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Joe Chip:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Twist3dBushido:

It's a little bit surprising how many people are anti-katana when they have been shown as one of the best blade types in the world. >.> I blame over-use in a number of other games for this.

More like is surprising how many people are misinformed about katanas. Usually believing them to be extremely light, thin and deadly blades.
No. They are thick blades, very heavy and unbalanced in favour of the blade. Good for slashing unarmored targets. Also extremely easy to break. Never used in battle unless they had nothing better left. But apparently katana culture comes from manga and animes, lol.

do you even history?

[Elysion]

Katanas are thick, this actually makes them pretty decent at stabbing dispite not having the ideal kind of point for it. The thickness of them makes them very stiff, so you lose less power to the blade flexing like you would with a european sword.

This also means they are more prone to breaking however.

The difference between katanas and other swords are actually kind of opposite in this regard. Most of the world had blades with thin cross sections to make them good at cutting, but were formed with, when thrusting was desired, very sharply tapering pointy ends. Katanas on the other hand are very thick, which gives them good thrusting performance due to rigidity, but also weakens their cutting potential. To compensate for this katanas were differentially hardened to allow their edges to retain sharpness better.

So a western sword is more like a thin iron sheet, and a katana is like a highly sharpened iron bar.

Also all this folding stuff is exagerated and misunderstood. The vikings were doing the same thing centuries earlier, for the same kind of reason: poor quality steel. This helped even out the impurities and keep the blade from being too structurally weak. However better quality steel means you dont have to, and in fact folding introduces some impurities as well so if your steel is already good enough its better not to fold it. Fold it too many times and you are just weakening it, not strenghtening it.

[Ferengi Family Values]

katanaas can slice through tanks

[Blue Mage CXIV]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Joe Chip:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Twist3dBushido:

It's a little bit surprising how many people are anti-katana when they have been shown as one of the best blade types in the world. >.> I blame over-use in a number of other games for this.

More like is surprising how many people are misinformed about katanas. Usually believing them to be extremely light, thin and deadly blades.
No. They are thick blades, very heavy and unbalanced in favour of the blade. Good for slashing unarmored targets. Also extremely easy to break. Never used in battle unless they had nothing better left. But apparently katana culture comes from manga and animes, lol.

As someone who actually owns a katana, I can say that it isn't misinformation. I mean, yeah, some things have been exaggerated, such as how hard the blade is and whatnot, but it's actually fairly light and easy to wield if you know what you're doing. The problem is that so many people assume that it's as simple as they make it appear in video games or pop culture to just swing around.
However, onto your point about light armour, it's actually made to pierce through samurai mail, which is fairly thick and heavy. I will point you back to the article that Kamina gave you if you don't believe any of this.

[Blue Mage CXIV]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bringer:

Katanas are thick, this actually makes them pretty decent at stabbing dispite not having the ideal kind of point for it. The thickness of them makes them very stiff, so you lose less power to the blade flexing like you would with a european sword.

This also means they are more prone to breaking however.

The difference between katanas and other swords are actually kind of opposite in this regard. Most of the world had blades with thin cross sections to make them good at cutting, but were formed with, when thrusting was desired, very sharply tapering pointy ends. Katanas on the other hand are very thick, which gives them good thrusting performance due to rigidity, but also weakens their cutting potential. To compensate for this katanas were differentially hardened to allow their edges to retain sharpness better.

So a western sword is more like a thin iron sheet, and a katana is like a highly sharpened iron bar.

Also all this folding stuff is exagerated and misunderstood. The vikings were doing the same thing centuries earlier, for the same kind of reason: poor quality steel. This helped even out the impurities and keep the blade from being too structurally weak. However better quality steel means you dont have to, and in fact folding introduces some impurities as well so if your steel is already good enough its better not to fold it. Fold it too many times and you are just weakening it, not strenghtening it.

I agree with most of this stuff to a point. A lot of things about the katana have been exaggerated over the years but they were originally made to be balanced in both piercing and slashing, which is what Kendo is founded on. In fact, one of the drawing stances is meant to actually be a slashing technique.

[Elysion]

All swords have the same general weight. When people say heavy iron bar they dont mean heavy as in overall weight. They are either talking about the balance or the thickness. Look at the length of katana then compare it to the lengh of a european sword that weights the same, the european sword will be longer.

A rapier, longsword, and katana all weigh about the same, and they are all different lenghts.

[Planeforger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Twist3dBushido:

However, onto your point about light armour, it's actually made to pierce through samurai mail, which is fairly thick and heavy. I will point you back to the article that Kamina gave you if you don't believe any of this.

I've seen some documentaries that demonstrated how katanas are useless against steel armour (or heavier European armour in general?), so perhaps samurai mail isn't the best indicator of a katana's effectiveness?

Although hey, I'm way in over my head on this debate, so I could be completely wrong.

[Blue Mage CXIV]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Planeforger:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Twist3dBushido:

However, onto your point about light armour, it's actually made to pierce through samurai mail, which is fairly thick and heavy. I will point you back to the article that Kamina gave you if you don't believe any of this.

I've seen some documentaries that demonstrated how katanas are useless against steel armour (or heavier European armour in general?), so perhaps samurai mail isn't the best indicator of a katana's effectiveness?

Although hey, I'm way in over my head on this debate, so I could be completely wrong.

Well, I haven't actually personally tried it on steel either so I can't say that a katana can do that one way or another.
What I do know is that a katana wouldn't have been used if it couldn't cut through some layer of steel at all. Though, a well-forged katana nowadays is much different from what they used in feudal Japan so I could be very wrong as well. xP

[Elysion]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Twist3dBushido:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bringer:

Katanas are thick, this actually makes them pretty decent at stabbing dispite not having the ideal kind of point for it. The thickness of them makes them very stiff, so you lose less power to the blade flexing like you would with a european sword.

This also means they are more prone to breaking however.

The difference between katanas and other swords are actually kind of opposite in this regard. Most of the world had blades with thin cross sections to make them good at cutting, but were formed with, when thrusting was desired, very sharply tapering pointy ends. Katanas on the other hand are very thick, which gives them good thrusting performance due to rigidity, but also weakens their cutting potential. To compensate for this katanas were differentially hardened to allow their edges to retain sharpness better.

So a western sword is more like a thin iron sheet, and a katana is like a highly sharpened iron bar.

Also all this folding stuff is exagerated and misunderstood. The vikings were doing the same thing centuries earlier, for the same kind of reason: poor quality steel. This helped even out the impurities and keep the blade from being too structurally weak. However better quality steel means you dont have to, and in fact folding introduces some impurities as well so if your steel is already good enough its better not to fold it. Fold it too many times and you are just weakening it, not strenghtening it.

I agree with most of this stuff to a point. A lot of things about the katana have been exaggerated over the years but they were originally made to be balanced in both piercing and slashing, which is what Kendo is founded on. In fact, one of the drawing stances is meant to actually be a slashing technique.

Oh katanas deffinitly are more cut oriented, and they are not really balanced for a thrust-centric style of use. Its just that a side effect of their thickness makes them actually decent at delivering powerful thrusts through some kinds of armor. You typically never want to use a sword against armor if you can help it anyway, but it is interesting.

[Blue Mage CXIV]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bringer:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Twist3dBushido:

I agree with most of this stuff to a point. A lot of things about the katana have been exaggerated over the years but they were originally made to be balanced in both piercing and slashing, which is what Kendo is founded on. In fact, one of the drawing stances is meant to actually be a slashing technique.

Oh katanas deffinitly are more cut oriented, and they are not really balanced for a thrust-centric style of use. Its just that a side effect of their thickness makes them actually decent at delivering powerful thrusts through some kinds of armor. You typically never want to use a sword against armor if you can help it anyway, but it is interesting.

I agree. It's similar to broadswords or claymores, which rely on their weight in order to also crush through armor and the like. Haha Yeah, I would generally not bring a sword to that kind of fight either.