Prominent Doom moders call for ban of Brutal Doom discussions

[spiritman]

Author of BD is a racist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that keeps stealing and misusing content made by others. Read this before you decide to support him or play his crappy "mod" http://www.realm667.com/index.php/en/community-news-4545/1851-about-brutal-doom-and-the-hate

[Zaxx]

Racist? That's a new one and it's very surprising because I'm pretty sure that everything bad was already said about SgtMarkIV. :D

Anyway Nifft, what the hell are you doing here? Every time I see a thread from you it's about some new attempt at hatemongering, why are you constantly doing that? You don't even own Doom 2 on Steam so why?

Most of the stuff that guy is talking about was either debunked or corrected years ago. Yes, Brutal Doom had (or rather used to have since most of that stuff was removed or modified to death since then) elements from other mods (just like almost every huge Doom mod project out there) but Mark actually asked for permission from every author he could reach. BD's concept is not an original one, it's simply just the mod that managed to finally nail what others attempted before but failed at or simply did not finish. There is a tremendous amount of original work in BD, it's not a rip off.

As for his attitude sure, Mark can be an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sometimes but I'm pretty sure you don't need to be a morally flawless individual in order to make a Doom mod. The thing is that BD can very well be the most popular Doom mod of all time (hell, even id's new DOOM was clearly inspired by it) and when you make something like that you will get all kinds of criticism you're not prepared for. Handling that is hard and actually if you look into it (I did, you didn't judging by this thread) you'll see that most of the fuss is simply blown out of proportion. The large majority of the drama comes from Mark handling stuff badly (mostly by making bad jokes other people simply didn't get) and other Doom modders being jealous as ♥♥♥♥. For example that article you posted where the guy says that Mark stole content from various mods? Yeah, well, he used some maps from other mods in the TRAILER, those are of course not in the actual BD mod. When you get idiots like this jumping at your throat it's hard to stay civil because you know for a fact all of it comes from jealousy and hate.

Judge the work, not the person behind it.

[White Gemini]

Originally posted by Zaxx:

Racist? That's a new one and it's very surprising because I'm pretty sure that everything bad was already said about SgtMarkIV. :D

Anyway Nifft, what the hell are you doing here? Every time I see a thread from you it's about some new attempt at hatemongering, why are you constantly doing that? You don't even own Doom 2 on Steam so why?

Most of the stuff that guy is talking about was either debunked or corrected years ago. Yes, Brutal Doom had (or rather used to have since most of that stuff was removed or modified to death since then) elements from other mods (just like almost every huge Doom mod project out there) but Mark actually asked for permission from every author he could reach. BD's concept is not an original one, it's simply just the mod that managed to finally nail what others attempted before but failed at or simply did not finish. There is a tremendous amount of original work in BD, it's not a rip off.

As for his attitude sure, Mark can be an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sometimes but I'm pretty sure you don't need to be a morally flawless individual in order to make a Doom mod. The thing is that BD can very well be the most popular Doom mod of all time (hell, even id's new DOOM was clearly inspired by it) and when you make something like that you will get all kinds of criticism you're not prepared for. Handling that is hard and actually if you look into it (I did, you didn't judging by this thread) you'll see that most of the fuss is simply blown out of proportion. The large majority of the drama comes from Mark handling stuff badly (mostly by making bad jokes other people simply didn't get) and other Doom modders being jealous as ♥♥♥♥. For example that article you posted where the guy says that Mark stole content from various mods? Yeah, well, he used some maps from other mods in the TRAILER, those are of course not in the actual BD mod. When you get idiots like this jumping at your throat it's hard to stay civil because you know for a fact all of it comes from jealousy and hate.

Judge the work, not the person behind it.

spot on i was going to type a wall but it looks pretty much the way i would have typed it

[Mumblez]

FYI nift, you guys whining like a buncha ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about mark is part of the reason he GETS support. That and many people are sick of PC culture. So they like him BECAUSE you whine so much.

Granted, hes not the best guy, but still. Hes a good modder, imo. Also, I feel some of the complaints about the video (omg, he didn't use credits for scythe 2 in his trailer!) were pretty dumb.

[mr1029384756]

Hey OP, I'm not a fan of SGT_Mark_IV either, but guess what?

You can still like someone's work even if they're an @sshole. Not every content creator needs to be your personal idol, unbiased and friendly to all. In closing, everything that ever needed to be hashed out with Sgt_Mark_IV has already occured... two years ago, in fact.

Stop bringing it up.

[Johnny]

Prominent Modders butthurt that BrutalDoom is better than their ♥♥♥♥* Fixed the title for you

[Phoenix]

So this got posted in BOTH Doom forums cute.

What I find ironic is OP is saying that people are calling for a ban on "discussion". There's a word for that: CENSORSHIP. It's what people with sticks up their cloacae tried to do to the original Doom game itself. I'm not a fan of censoring games, and I will not tolerate attempts to censor discussion. SgtMarkIV might have gotten himself banned for bad behavior in places, but nobody's going to tell me what I can and cannot talk about.

And guess what? I'm a Doom modder myself! I may not be a prominent one, but I really don't care about popularity contests. Individual forum admins can restrict discussion of a topic on their forums if they choose - they run the forums, that's their right (yeah I'm a forum admin too!) - but there's no such rule here, and unless it specifically violates someone's forum rules or an admin's directive I'm going to talk about whatever I please.

Besides... by posting about people censoring discussion on Brutal Doom, YOU are discussing Brutal Doom. You just lost your own game. Who's your daddy now?

[Comissar person[FIN]]

i hope this moron gets banned

[Zaxx]

Originally posted by SEWER HOOVY:

i hope this moron gets banned

Why? Because you don't like what he's saying? Me neither but dude, you just have to accept different opinions and nothing is stopping you from criticizing it.