waaay WAY too expensive.

[Madmonkey68]

$80.00 CAD for this?

Yeah sure graphics don't make a game (up to a certain point) I get it, but for that full triple A price, I'm expecting a full package with all the goodies. And they have the audacity to ask for expensive ass DLCs as well...

[devlos]

I actually did not even notice the DLC's even are priced so high ,let alone not even being part off the game for 60€. Well now we know 90% off people remotely interested in this will pirate the whole thing it's just a fact at this point as this game looks like absolute point blank robbery.

[tanktastic]

sadly, devlos is correct. I love CM and have bought 2 games + DLC, but the games are overpriced. Yes, I know that CM has this corner of strategy games held down, and since there's no close competitors they can price the game whatever they want. And yes, I know that CM games are very in depth including hundreds of units and accurately simulating combat at the Battalion scale. However, does this mean that a 12 year old game built on a 2000's engine should be priced 60 USD? Unless a CMx3 engine came out introducing better graphics, I don't think CM games should be as much as a AAA title. DLC should also not be so expensive either, prices for everything should be brought down 20-30%.

[ArsenalFC1886]

Battlefront titles don’t lose value over time. It’s better than gold and silver.

[ArsenalFC1886]

Originally posted by devlos:

I actually did not even notice the DLC's even are priced so high ,let alone not even being part off the game for 60€. Well now we know 90% off people remotely interested in this will pirate the whole thing it's just a fact at this point as this game looks like absolute point blank robbery.

It can’t be robbery unless you are forced to buy it.

[The Doctor]

Thieves / criminals are always going to steal. What are you going to do? It's impossible to stamp out piracy and they'll steal regardless of the price because they're habitual criminals even if they don't know it.

Anyway, there's nothing new here. Matrix and BFC have their own ideas about pricing and BFC in particular have always worked to have a demo for their titles so that potential customers can try the game for free so stealing is not justified for that reason either.

We may not agree with the pricing policy and it does seem rather counter-intuitive. I used to run a business and made the same arguments I read here (lower price = more sales). But some of us are actually willing to pay for something that is special. And there are enough of us to make this model sustainable.

[Cabbage]

Originally posted by The Doctor:

Thieves / criminals are always going to steal. What are you going to do? It's impossible to stamp out piracy and they'll steal regardless of the price because they're habitual criminals even if they don't know it.

https://www.gamesradar.com/gabe-newell-piracy-issue-service-not-price/

[The Doctor]

Originally posted by Palaiologos:

Originally posted by The Doctor:

Thieves / criminals are always going to steal. What are you going to do? It's impossible to stamp out piracy and they'll steal regardless of the price because they're habitual criminals even if they don't know it.

https://www.gamesradar.com/gabe-newell-piracy-issue-service-not-price/

Not sure what you're trying to argue here except to dispute that it's about service not price which runs counter to what we're reading here. They're talking about pirating because of the PRICE.

Originally posted by Tanktastic:

Forgot to refer to the pirating part too. CM devs are going to lose money pricing their game too as people can just torrent the ♥♥♥♥ via skidrow. You can already get all the CM steam games on pirate bay and the comment section had a decent amount of people saying "thanks". Just goes to show that many people interested in CM are definitely pirating the game.

Nothing about service there.

Who cares what the justification is? Piracy of music, games, videos, whatever is stealing and it's a criminal activity. Everbody knows it is. And what's that a link to?

[Eugene]

Another perspective to consider is "Overpriced compared to what?" Comparison should include the in-depth features. Not the age, nor solely the graphics. CMBN and its fellow Combat sims are painstakingly realistic. The level of detail with which each unit down to teams split from squads along with their weapons are all modeled -and controllable. The maps are highly detailed, the campaigns and scenarios range from historically accurate in setting and orders of battle, to intriguing fictional scenarios within the WWII areas represented. From huge battles down to tiny platoon size engagements. About EVERY piece of equipment historically present. Play either side, including several nationalities. The only other sim I can think of at the moment is Steel Beasts Pro at a slightly higher price. And nothing like the campaign structures in CMBN. Nor the amount of content. Or modding. But it does model what IS present with similarly incredible detailed accuracy to real life performance. The Graviteam series have a lot of detail and realism also, and buying all the DLC will put the price into the range of Combat Mission complete editions - or higher. In flight sims, there is DCS. Check out the price of buying ONE JET - it costs roughly what CM costs or more. And many are not at final release stage! Another major sim to compare in the strategy sphere would be Command: Modern Operations detailed and equally expensive.

So, yeah, Neither CM, nor Steel Beasts nor Graviteam are going to appeal to everyone. But along with DCS they stand as significant achievements in simulating real combat situations whether historical or contemporary/ hypothetical.

Lastly, many games and sims come and go. The companies move on or even vanish. But Battle Front has been publishing for over 20 years, and they update all the sims in this long running series. It is a very small company based in Maine, but hits well above its weight.

[pinwolf]

Compare it with a miniature tabletop system. Suddenly it appears almost for free.

[klkitchens]

Originally posted by Madmonkey68:

$80.00 CAD for this?

Yeah sure graphics don't make a game (up to a certain point) I get it, but for that full triple A price, I'm expecting a full package with all the goodies. And they have the audacity to ask for expensive ass DLCs as well...

You get what you pay for..

Pay for this, you get a great game. At a reasonable price.

[Dextromethorphan]

Originally posted by Eugene:

Another perspective to consider is "Overpriced compared to what?" Comparison should include the in-depth features. Not the age, nor solely the graphics. CMBN and its fellow Combat sims are painstakingly realistic. The level of detail with which each unit down to teams split from squads along with their weapons are all modeled -and controllable. The maps are highly detailed, the campaigns and scenarios range from historically accurate in setting and orders of battle, to intriguing fictional scenarios within the WWII areas represented. From huge battles down to tiny platoon size engagements. About EVERY piece of equipment historically present. Play either side, including several nationalities. The only other sim I can think of at the moment is Steel Beasts Pro at a slightly higher price. And nothing like the campaign structures in CMBN. Nor the amount of content. Or modding. But it does model what IS present with similarly incredible detailed accuracy to real life performance. The Graviteam series have a lot of detail and realism also, and buying all the DLC will put the price into the range of Combat Mission complete editions - or higher. In flight sims, there is DCS. Check out the price of buying ONE JET - it costs roughly what CM costs or more. And many are not at final release stage! Another major sim to compare in the strategy sphere would be Command: Modern Operations detailed and equally expensive.

So, yeah, Neither CM, nor Steel Beasts nor Graviteam are going to appeal to everyone. But along with DCS they stand as significant achievements in simulating real combat situations whether historical or contemporary/ hypothetical.

Lastly, many games and sims come and go. The companies move on or even vanish. But Battle Front has been publishing for over 20 years, and they update all the sims in this long running series. It is a very small company based in Maine, but hits well above its weight.

Compare it to Graviteam Tactics series which give similar level of detail for the third of price (of fifth in case of TWT'43). Combat Mission is not that special as you want to make it and is definitely severly overpriced.

[General Plastro]

Originally posted by The Doctor:

Originally posted by Palaiologos:

https://www.gamesradar.com/gabe-newell-piracy-issue-service-not-price/

Not sure what you're trying to argue here except to dispute that it's about service not price which runs counter to what we're reading here. They're talking about pirating because of the PRICE.

Originally posted by Tanktastic:

Forgot to refer to the pirating part too. CM devs are going to lose money pricing their game too as people can just torrent the ♥♥♥♥ via skidrow. You can already get all the CM steam games on pirate bay and the comment section had a decent amount of people saying "thanks". Just goes to show that many people interested in CM are definitely pirating the game.

Nothing about service there.

Who cares what the justification is? Piracy of music, games, videos, whatever is stealing and it's a criminal activity. Everbody knows it is. And what's that a link to?

Not adressing the issue is not a good solution either. "Pirates will be pirates" doesnt adress the problem.

Steam itself is a proof of arguement for piracy being a service problem, instead of anything else. Steam has regional pricing for most products. Almost anywhere else, including Combat Mission's site, there are none.

Sure, the people who pay in Euros/USD dont see it, but for the vast majority of people worldwide, having that regional pricing is the difference between buying it or pirating it.

Besides, the aggregated value of having the official game in a platform that gives you direct benefits for your game also justifies the price.

Meanwhile, i see no reason to pay for the game's on the author's site, when i can get some 6 or 8 games of similar caliber and value here on Steam for the same price as only 1 product there.

[The Doctor]

Originally posted by General Plastro:

Originally posted by The Doctor:

Not sure what you're trying to argue here except to dispute that it's about service not price which runs counter to what we're reading here. They're talking about pirating because of the PRICE.


Nothing about service there.

Who cares what the justification is? Piracy of music, games, videos, whatever is stealing and it's a criminal activity. Everbody knows it is. And what's that a link to?

Not adressing the issue is not a good solution either. "Pirates will be pirates" doesnt adress the problem.

Steam itself is a proof of arguement for piracy being a service problem, instead of anything else. Steam has regional pricing for most products. Almost anywhere else, including Combat Mission's site, there are none.

Sure, the people who pay in Euros/USD dont see it, but for the vast majority of people worldwide, having that regional pricing is the difference between buying it or pirating it.

Besides, the aggregated value of having the official game in a platform that gives you direct benefits for your game also justifies the price.

Meanwhile, i see no reason to pay for the game's on the author's site, when i can get some 6 or 8 games of similar caliber and value here on Steam for the same price as only 1 product there.

I am aware that Steam's regional pricing helps counter piracy in non-western countries where people don't have a western-sized income. I'm a nuanced thinker and do not see things in terms of Black and White. But this is not relevant. The game is being sold on Steam and there's no regional pricing discount on these games that I'm aware of. But there is a sale on their games at the moment and some of them are very good deals indeed. What we're seeing here is explicitly "pirate bay and people saying thanks because there are many people who are interested in CM who are pirating the game".

They see something in Steam's store and refuse to pay the asking price and are so outraged that they talk about people stealing it instead. The nuance being the notion to bludgeon BFC/Matrix into opening their eyes to the lost revenue and reduce their prices. Of course, there's no good, righteous cause to justify this behaviour here either, it's just their own self-interest and outrage that they didn't get the discounted rate they expected.

People who don't want to pay the full price for the game can wishlist it and wait for it to go on sale. This is Steam and so it absolutely will go on sale at a price a reasonable person would like. They don't have to steal it or wave the threat of stealing if the prices don't change around. They just have to wait.

[The Doctor]

Originally posted by Dextromethorphan:

Originally posted by Eugene:

Another perspective to consider is "Overpriced compared to what?" Comparison should include the in-depth features. Not the age, nor solely the graphics. CMBN and its fellow Combat sims are painstakingly realistic. The level of detail with which each unit down to teams split from squads along with their weapons are all modeled -and controllable. The maps are highly detailed, the campaigns and scenarios range from historically accurate in setting and orders of battle, to intriguing fictional scenarios within the WWII areas represented. From huge battles down to tiny platoon size engagements. About EVERY piece of equipment historically present. Play either side, including several nationalities. The only other sim I can think of at the moment is Steel Beasts Pro at a slightly higher price. And nothing like the campaign structures in CMBN. Nor the amount of content. Or modding. But it does model what IS present with similarly incredible detailed accuracy to real life performance. The Graviteam series have a lot of detail and realism also, and buying all the DLC will put the price into the range of Combat Mission complete editions - or higher. In flight sims, there is DCS. Check out the price of buying ONE JET - it costs roughly what CM costs or more. And many are not at final release stage! Another major sim to compare in the strategy sphere would be Command: Modern Operations detailed and equally expensive.

So, yeah, Neither CM, nor Steel Beasts nor Graviteam are going to appeal to everyone. But along with DCS they stand as significant achievements in simulating real combat situations whether historical or contemporary/ hypothetical.

Lastly, many games and sims come and go. The companies move on or even vanish. But Battle Front has been publishing for over 20 years, and they update all the sims in this long running series. It is a very small company based in Maine, but hits well above its weight.

Compare it to Graviteam Tactics series which give similar level of detail for the third of price (of fifth in case of TWT'43). Combat Mission is not that special as you want to make it and is definitely severly overpriced.

Graviteam do good games too. The base game is definitely cheaper but there are $200+ of DLC for their Muis Front game alone which puts it far above this title with respect to cost to complete. It's also pretty focused and doesn't do modern era.

Is there a scenario/campaign editor on Graviteam's game? I don't recall there being one. That's probably not going to be an issue for most folks posting here but you're paying for the editor here as well and it's a good one. But if you don't 'need' it, well, Graviteam might be better for you.

Visually, it's on a par with this title and as a serious wargame and yes, it's similar to CM as well. CM allows the player to micro-manage his units to an extent that Graviteam doesn't but who wants to micro-manage? (I do) However, the UI is not exactly the friendliest I've worked with. Sure, if you're unhappy about the price, I'd also encourage folks who hate the price to go and play Graviteam games instead.

As for the overpricing, it's a bit like Gandalf saying a wizard is neither early nor late and arrives precisely when he means to. So it is with this game. It's priced precisely the way the studio and the developer mean it to. If Gandalf said he would arrive at 10am and arrives a 3pm, Gandalf is being a pedantic jerk saying that but BFC have never promised you a low-priced game.

[penecks]

Really the biggest thing about the price is simply the age of the game. With an updated engine that actually runs well and a better UI I'd be more than happy to shell out 60 bucks, but that hasn't happened. In that vein I feel they're maybe springing a "look, this game is new!" thing on unsuspecting buyers. I mean its whatever but this game should have really been like 30 bucks.