The Quinfall

The Quinfall

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Jean Jan 27 @ 5:03pm
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The reviews lie. 74% of the reviews are positive.
Don't mind the clickbait title. Below is a selective sampling for rhetorical emphasis. The reviews are valid and the game is objectively bad. (Just don't look into my history for what I think about reviewers.)

I'm just going to point out a few things that I think are important to note.

63% of the most recent reviews posted on Steam are positive.

74% of the reviews with 10 or more hours played are positive.

That is to say, critics of this game become more positive with time played.

Obligatory "correlation is not causation"...

... however, anyone who actually play and enjoy MMORPGs ALSO KNOW that time spent positively is a key indicator.
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15+ hours of actual game time played here. lvl 35 in game. life skills all above 15. the game is bad.

the good it has going for it is that its simple (its easy to turn your brain off and just kill things), has loot rarity, and base building freedom.

the bad is that most days you cant play without constant kicks, major lag (ive seen 135k ping), code 01 haunting your dreams because you have to click 100 times before it lets you join, and many many other annoying bugs. NPCs didn't even show up because server congestion day 1 and that was a bug in the beta tests they conducted yet they failed to fix before EA launch.

My review of the game sits at negative. "game and all features shown are fully playable." they lied and until they can truly say the game and ALL the features they have shown are playable then my review will sit at negative.

(also if a majority of reviews play for an hour then review bad those are still valid reviews. its a game developers job to keep you entertained. Video games are entertainment. If you are losing customers within an hour you have failed to deliver something entertaining to the majority)
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Jean Jan 27 @ 5:17pm 
Originally posted by Prestontykeh:
(also if a majority of reviews play for an hour then review bad those are still valid reviews. its a game developers job to keep you entertained. Video games are entertainment. If you are losing customers within an hour you have failed to deliver something entertaining to the majority)

Completely agree with you there, I didn't want to go into details but that's what I meant by "the reviews are valid and the game is bad".
1. Buying game using company money -> more copies sold on datasheet
2. Leave positive review using these accounts -> better review score on datasheet
3. Advertise -> We made a blast game . Gimme money
4. Get investment

They lose 30% of investment but will get a lot in return. Thats the pattern.
Anone Jan 27 @ 9:25pm 
We like to be oppressed.
Jean Jan 27 @ 10:57pm 
Originally posted by Senzin:
Anyone who actually has played decent MMOs know that this is not a game to be taken seriously.

Perhaps it shouldn't be taken seriously, you gave valid reasons why. But I don't totally agree with what you said either. I don't think any MMORPG studio can and have fixed anything instantly or be fully transparent about what went wrong instead of apologising and keep working as they have been or so I would assume. Communication could be better but talk is cheap and can just as easily make things worst. Nothing needs to be polished at the moment, it just need to be playable, and playable it is. Sort of.
Rhoklaw Jan 28 @ 12:26am 
Yes, it's in early access, but that was a choice the developers chose to release with. Unfortunately with Steam, early access games could very well be the end product. There is ZERO obligation for any early access game to ever get finished. It states this very clearly any time a game launches into early access on Steam.

That being said, this game is poorly optimized, bare-bone, empty, shallow and on top of all that, they actually implemented a damn P2W cash shop, lol. Anyone who supports this game, it's developers or anyone associated with this crap should have their gaming privileges revoked.
Lamiosa Jan 28 @ 12:38am 
Maybe many negative reviews do not have much playtime, because they always get kicked out of the game? I did not test the game yet, because it sounds too unstable yet to waste my time/money on it, but I also canceled New World after Beta, because the servers were so bad. So IF you are even able to play a game is also important.
Jean Jan 28 @ 1:06am 
Originally posted by Lamiosa:
Maybe many negative reviews do not have much playtime, because they always get kicked out of the game?

Skill issue.

Seriously though being able to login is pretty darn crucial to an MMORPG that goes without saying, but it's also one of the least important thing to review that most quickly become wrong and obsolete.
The review ratio seems accurate but with some outliers that refund the product but leave a positive review.
Jean Jan 28 @ 11:14am 
Originally posted by Valetudin Arian:
The review ratio seems accurate but with some outliers that refund the product but leave a positive review.

Just for the sake of argument (and take what I say with a grain of salt now and always) were we to consider refunds as a part of the equation we would have to consider the reverse too. I do believe this would drastically improve the sub-1-hour category by 50% or more, and only slighty worsen the 10-hours-plus by maybe upward to 10%.
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Tregarde Jan 28 @ 11:39am 
Originally posted by Jean:
... however, anyone who actually play and enjoy MMORPGs ALSO KNOW that time spent positively is a key indicator.

And THAT right there is the key. Yes, the longer the playtime, the more likely the review is to be positive... because the people who had negative experiences have already quit. People who are not having a good time are not going to stick around.

Do all the negative reviews mean the game is bad? Not necessarily. But it does mean in it's current state, the game is not good. There are bugs galore and server issues. People getting banned from the Discord. Being in Early Access can excuse things only so much.

Maybe the game will get better. Maybe not. Only time will tell if the devs are willing to listen to feedback, and have the skills to fix things. But there is no denying it's off to a rough start.
Jean Jan 28 @ 11:54am 
Originally posted by Tregarde:
Originally posted by Jean:
... however, anyone who actually play and enjoy MMORPGs ALSO KNOW that time spent positively is a key indicator.
because the people who had negative experiences have already quit

I don't believe that's true.

Again just for the sake of argument (I'm not making an argument in favor of the game itself, just staying on my general topic) I went ahead and filtered 250 recent negative reviews that were in the 2 hours automatic refund windows. Out of those "only" 100 were refunded.

That's 60% of the sub-2-hours negative reviews not being refunded. Obviously one can draw whatever assumptions they want from that heavily cherry picked number out of this heavily cherry picked topic of mine. But one my own assumptions would be (unsurprisingly enough) that those 60% negative at least didn't quit so to speak, some might be waiting for the login raid boss to be nerfed safely under their refund window.

Obviously in a vacuum the game is bad right now. It's terribly bad. Right now. The reviews tell that story. But the reviews... they lie. THEY LIEEEEE.
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TaliHazard Jan 28 @ 11:56am 
i'm having fun WHEN i can get in +shrug+
Jean Jan 28 @ 1:45pm 
Originally posted by Senzin:
Originally posted by Jean:
(I need points if anyone want to give me the clown awards.)
What is the best MMO? Answer correctly and you shall receive.

(posted here cause that other thread is gone)

Gotta give me at least 3 tries for this one.

My objective best and the closest to a true answer to your question -> RuneScape. Launched in 2001 and an healthy population which has been growing again for the last few years.

My subjective best and most seriously played -> WoW. Enough said. The people like what they like.

My favorite, most loved and second most played -> Anarchy Online. Technically still alive but I can't imagine the player count is more than a thousand daily.

Now I feel exposed; the dirty things I'll do for points I won't even win.

Tell me the real answer or I'll cry.
Jean Jan 29 @ 1:23am 
I hear queues are still as long as 1 hour on EU, which is absurd, but that in term in connection and stability things have drastically improved. So I guess that that's a small step forward?

Reviewers are a little less strident now.
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