STAR WARS™: Dark Forces Remaster

STAR WARS™: Dark Forces Remaster

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Just Chill Apr 4, 2024 @ 2:24am
Do you prefer Katarn's way of retreiving the Death Star plans?
With "Rogue One" in 2016, one of the best, more recent Star Wars movies released for me.
Even though I was very happy playing and adventuring with Kyle Katarn, I still somewhat fell for the now "canon"-wise way of how the rebels got a hold of the Death Star plans.

Since there might be no reason for 2 ways to obtain them, Dark Forces still belongs to the so-called "Star Wars: Legends", while Rogue One is the canon-way of how the plans got received.



However, I'm happy that Disney did not completely abandon the extended universe, as it contains so many awesome stories.


What's your preference?
Kyle Katarn stealing the Death Star plans or Rogue One's way?



Additionally:
I either like how Michael Giacchino re-arranged the soundtrack:
Rogue One Into.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T9dvUqWGWs
Last edited by Just Chill; Apr 4, 2024 @ 2:29am
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Hex6Studios Apr 4, 2024 @ 6:30am 
Hell Yeah I prefer it! He's a one man army badass that goes in, kicks ass, steals the plans and bails. It make's some sense too cause he was a imperial before joining the Rebels, and in future games he has the force, so maybe (my headcannon) he used the force to predict the blaster shots and enemies in the maps. (Aka he dodges it all and predicts where enemies are)
Hex6Studios Apr 4, 2024 @ 6:32am 
I prefer this games lore over Disney new cannon as well.
sonderkraftfahrzeug Apr 4, 2024 @ 7:13am 
I think we are biased here but I prefer Katarns version.
Coldhands Apr 4, 2024 @ 9:29am 
There are a few different versions of "Operation Skyhook" in the old EU.
One guy blasting his way into a base and stealing the giant circuit board containing the Death Star plans is pretty far fetched, so I like Rogue One's story better.

My favorite is from the old Han Solo origin trilogy, where his first girlfriend joins the Rebellion and her team sacrifices themselves creating a distraction so that an unnamed agent can infiltrate the base and steal the plans. It works with the idea that Kyle stole the plans but makes it a little more believable that he was able to get in and out of a high security facility alone (or that the Rebellion would trust a mission that important to a single merc).
Just Chill Apr 4, 2024 @ 10:09am 
Originally posted by sonderkraftfahrzeug:
I think we are biased here but I prefer Katarns version.
No, you are not.

I perfectly respect the way of prefering Katarn's way of getting the plans as canon.

Valve is even more open to canon than any other franchise-owner when it comes to Half-Life.


Originally posted by Coldhands:
My favorite is from the old Han Solo origin trilogy, where his first girlfriend joins the Rebellion and her team sacrifices themselves creating a distraction so that an unnamed agent can infiltrate the base and steal the plans.
I didn't know about this and it sounds so ♥♥♥♥♥♥' amazing than this moot "SOLO: A Star Wars story" movie we got.
Then again, I still stick to my preference with Jyn Erso, but still... I'm happily playing all addtional remasters of Legends Stories they give us.


I'm still a great fan of TFU. Even though I prefer the first one despite of being a legend story.
The second one - however - has also some sort of additional bonus points, after that quite weird revival of Palpatine in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker.
Then again, AFAIK there was a book which now belongs to the Legends which either included a clone of Palpatine.
So I guess Disney is gonna milk out the most even of the Legends. :/


I just hope that we get clean remasters like this one. Despite the price, I really enjoyed playing the initial adventure of Kyle again. :)
Looking forward to further remasters.
Coldhands Apr 4, 2024 @ 10:21am 
^Disney's approach to Legends seems to be cherry-picking popular characters or plot threads and reworking them into their new canon. So Thrawn is canon again, but Heir to the Empire/Dark Force Rising/Last Command aren't happening, he's now the main villain for Ahsoka and the crew from Rebels.

Same with Dark Troopers. They're a thing, but now they're robots only, but not the skeletal looking Phase 1 Dark Troopers from this game, they look like metal Stormtroopers with red eyes and Rom Mohc isn't a character anymore.

I'm glad some of the old EU stuff is being brought back, but it's not really "my" old EU once they've worked it into the new canon. : \

Of course, a lot of the old EU was bad, or conflicted with other EU stories, so I don't blame Disney for cherry-picking the good stuff, I just wish they'd take more of it so they didn't need to change so much.
Last edited by Coldhands; Apr 4, 2024 @ 10:24am
Just Chill Apr 4, 2024 @ 10:45am 
Agreed.
Aside of that, I also like how they dealed with long-running characters through various shows.
Cad Bane for example:
Star Wars: Force Arena
Star Wars: Galactic Defense
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TCW mini logo Star Wars: The Clone Wars — "Hostage Crisis" (First appearance)
"Hostage Crisis" — The Clone Wars: Stories of Light and Dark
"Hostage Crisis" — The Clone Wars: Stories of Light and Dark audiobook
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"Bane's Story" — The Clone Wars: Stories of Light and Dark
"Bane's Story" — The Clone Wars: Stories of Light and Dark audiobook
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TCW mini logo Star Wars: The Clone Wars — "Dangerous Debt" (Mentioned only)
TBBtemplate Star Wars: The Bad Batch — "Reunion"
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The Bad Batch: Hunted!
TBBtemplate Star Wars: The Bad Batch — "Common Ground" (Indirect mention only)
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TBBtemplate Star Wars: The Bad Batch — "Identity Crisis"
Rebels-mini-logo Star Wars Rebels — "Fighter Flight" (Appears in graffiti only)
Kanan 8 (Mentioned only)
"Wait for It" — From a Certain Point of View: The Empire Strikes Back (Indirect mention only)
"Wait for It" — From a Certain Point of View: The Empire Strikes Back audiobook (Indirect mention only)
Bounty Hunters 38 (Variant cover only)
The Book of Boba Fett Junior Novel
The Book of Boba Fett logo The Book of Boba Fett — "Chapter 6: From the Desert Comes a Stranger"
The Book of Boba Fett logo The Book of Boba Fett — "Chapter 7: In the Name of Honor"
"Whills" — From a Certain Point of View (Mentioned only)
"Whills" — From a Certain Point of View audiobook (Mentioned only)
Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes

I somewhat liked / disliked this guy throughout all of these series.
And really found it quite satisfactory seeing his end in the Book of Boba.


Then again, we are speaking about non-canon.
I do not mind if they cherry-pick characters of the Legends, as long as they do not abandon the legends.
Like with Kyle.
He's a legend! :story:



When I think about a JK II and JK Academy in Unreal 5 with multiplayer.
I wonder if I would go for the competition again, despite of sucking at it. ^^
One can dream...
V I D A L Apr 4, 2024 @ 2:19pm 
Nah.. one needs to be denial to think Dark Forces easy grab and run Death Star plans is better than Rogue One epic suicide mission to get it.

Dark Forces is cute. But the Death Start was a big deal for the empire and it wouldn't be this simple to get it.
Axelhander Apr 5, 2024 @ 5:44pm 
Still not sure why the aggressively mid Rogue One is seen as anything other than aggressively mid. Sure, it has that *freaking incredible* Darth Vader scene at the end, but that's one scene in an otherwise aggressively mid film where an entire team of uninteresting nobodies died for the Death Star plans.

Meanwhile in a cooler timeline, gigachad Kyle Katarn gets the Death Star plans *by himself* and DOESN'T DIE and I don't even think he got dirty. I prefer Dark Forces.
Just Chill Apr 5, 2024 @ 6:06pm 
Well... It's a movie.
Compared to the most recent ones, I think it's quite good.


Kyle himself pokes fun about how easy they were to get. ^^
And as Vidal pointed out, it normally wouldn't have been so simple.
But it works in the game, also because it was never revealed how the plans then actually got onto the rebel ship with Leia on board.
So there is a lot room for own imaginations on the Legends timeline.


Rogue One completely fleshes that out, as the ending serves as an intro for Episode IV.
Coldhands Apr 5, 2024 @ 7:55pm 
Originally posted by Axelhander:
Still not sure why the aggressively mid Rogue One is seen as anything other than aggressively mid. Sure,
You don't understand how people could like something you don't?
Axelhander Apr 5, 2024 @ 10:30pm 
Originally posted by Coldhands:
Originally posted by Axelhander:
Still not sure why the aggressively mid Rogue One is seen as anything other than aggressively mid. Sure,
You don't understand how people could like something you don't?
Aggressively inept retort.
Coldhands Apr 6, 2024 @ 7:14am 
^Resorting to insults is what people do when they don’t have any other response.
Axelhander Apr 6, 2024 @ 8:12am 
Originally posted by Coldhands:
^Resorting to insults is what people do when they don’t have any other response.
Nah, sometimes they resort to insults because they cannot possibly believe how subpar a response is.

Like, did you want me to explain to you that you shouldn't take everything literally, that I do in fact understand and appreciate that people like things I don't, and what hyperbole means?
Last edited by Axelhander; Apr 6, 2024 @ 8:13am
Coldhands Apr 6, 2024 @ 1:05pm 
Originally posted by Eldin:
Yes, not only does he steal the plans but he laughs in Jabba’s face, defeats the Kell dragons with his bare hands like the ultimate badass then blows up the Arc Hammer.
Don't forget he beats Boba Fett in a fight too.
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