Offline & Online Completion Combined

[Preacher JLU]

Not sure why they did this, it was fun playing through on solo then switching to online and doing it all over again, this is seriously going to hurt replayability.

Beyond the MP aspect of the online mode there is zero reason to play online anymore. It would be nice if more weapon and armor dropped but that does not happen.

God bless

[KingOfFriedChicken]

I imagine they have some statistics on this that made them decide to change it. For example even solo I always played online cuz I did not wanna restart... ever lol and the game is a lot of hours even separating it, I'm for sure not beating the game 8 times across all difficulties 🤣

[45]

You can still play the game twice, nobody's stopping you. Are you seriously playing games for little stars on the menu and not because you enjoy the game?

[Preacher JLU]

Originally posted by 45:

You can still play the game twice, nobody's stopping you. Are you seriously playing games for little stars on the menu and not because you enjoy the game?

It just gives a sense of completion is all.

[Preacher JLU]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

I imagine they have some statistics on this that made them decide to change it. For example even solo I always played online cuz I did not wanna restart... ever lol and the game is a lot of hours even separating it, I'm for sure not beating the game 8 times across all difficulties 🤣

Beating it 8 times across all difficulties was part of the game, I get that you may not be a big fan of the game but I enjoyed that aspect of the game.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Preacher JLU:

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

I imagine they have some statistics on this that made them decide to change it. For example even solo I always played online cuz I did not wanna restart... ever lol and the game is a lot of hours even separating it, I'm for sure not beating the game 8 times across all difficulties 🤣

Beating it 8 times across all difficulties was part of the game, I get that you may not be a big fan of the game but I enjoyed that aspect of the game.

No, I played online always. So it was never an aspect when they sperated them.

Now imagine they have the data for this across all players, let's say 1% of players are like you and the other 99% don't interact with offline? It makes sense to merge them like this. It also means that if I'm traveling or have no internet for whatever reason I know my progress isn't useless.

I'm sorry you lost an aspect you may have loved, but it's likely that wasn't the case for a majority of players hence the change. If I was taking a guess

[45]

Originally posted by Preacher JLU:

Originally posted by 45:

You can still play the game twice, nobody's stopping you. Are you seriously playing games for little stars on the menu and not because you enjoy the game?

It just gives a sense of completion is all.

Your dopamine center is broken. This is the definition of treadmill effect.

[Zephyr]

As someone who 100%ed 5 in coop, not once, nor twice, but three time. It goes beyond the little medals.

You need to understand that the randomness of drops affects how you're going to play. Going from 0 to 100% using stuff you find without any grinding was exactly what made each 100% run interesting.

Completion also gives a drive and a goal to strive toward. Replaying the same missions over and over helping people with your super boosted 100% profile is fine and dandy but it gets old fast after a while when you can use the best stuff at your disposal for the level range.

It also teaches you to be a better player: Using the best possible stuff all the time gives you a crutch effect. When you have to make do with what you have, you need to adapt and improvise, and the way you approach things can be quite different.

[NoLifeDGenerate]

Originally posted by Preacher JLU:

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

I imagine they have some statistics on this that made them decide to change it. For example even solo I always played online cuz I did not wanna restart... ever lol and the game is a lot of hours even separating it, I'm for sure not beating the game 8 times across all difficulties 🤣

Beating it 8 times across all difficulties was part of the game, I get that you may not be a big fan of the game but I enjoyed that aspect of the game.

It's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slog. I put 5K hours on 4.1, and I still say the separate completion is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It pisses me off Inferno doesn't down-clear everything. All I care to do is Inferno with limits OFF.

[King Fossil]

This change makes the game better. It's a good thing. The game is better with this change.
What next, you're going to act like it's bad that 5 doesn't force you to play on easy to get easy clears?

[Zephyr]

I don't know if combined progression is better honestly... It's not a matter of convenience, mind you, more than solo and coop are such different beasts that combining their progression is... Well it's strange to me. I don't feel like you achieve the same thing when you play solo and coop.

This change is one which leaves me scratching my chin and wondering really what I think about it. It's just... Strange.

[LArc7thHeaven]

Unless you're total NEET and have sh1tload of time to burn then the change is good since we don't need to invest loads of time to get fun online

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by LArc7thHeaven:

Unless you're total NEET and have sh1tload of time to burn then the change is good since we don't need to invest loads of time to get fun online

I mean I'm disabled and got that kinda time, but I still don't necessarily wanna spend 2k hours in every game.

[Zephyr]

You don't need to invest time in solo to have fun online... That argument as such not only is demeaning to players who spend a lot of time on the game, but has no intrinsic meaning bar the will to be insulting.

This change isn't intrinsically good. It just mean you can potentially complete your checklist faster, and keep working on completion when your friends aren't there, or you can't find a game.

And again, I maintain that due to a strict variation in the rules applied in both solo and coop, the completion for one doesn't translate well to the completion of the other.

[Escarper]

Originally posted by Zephyr:

This change isn't intrinsically good. It just mean you can potentially complete your checklist faster, and keep working on completion when your friends aren't there, or you can't find a game.

You are literally arguing that improvements aren't good. The second sentence entirely contradicts the first:

You can progress faster - Improvement for people with little available time. No change for people with plenty of time. Who suffers from this? If you want to take a slower route to unlock things, nobody's stopping you. You can always just start a separate save file for each gameplay type.

You can work on completion without friends - improvement for people whose schedules don't line up. No change for people who only play when friends are around, or whose friends are always around. Again - who suffers? Sure, the levels are unlocked, but nobody is making you play them.

You can progress when you can't find a game - okay, come on, do I even need to point out how this is better? Some missions are just ♥♥♥♥, and nobody wants to do them. They can't all be winners. Especially the ones where you just have to stand and wait for the plot points to progress.

The combined progression change doesn't stop anyone doing anything they could already do before.
You can still choose to replay the missions in solo or multiplayer (or both) if you want.
You can still choose to regulate your progression in solo vs multiplayer so you don't play later missions until you've completed earlier ones in each mode.
You can still play with randoms.
You can still grind through using the lower level gear first.

This is like arguing that ticking off Easy and Normal when you play a Hard mission is a bad thing - it helps some people while harming no one. It doesn't stop you playing those difficulties, it just means you don't need to if you don't want to. It's objectively an improvement.

If you are, really, honestly, truly in a position where you need the artificial restrictions to feel a sense of satisfaction, or if this is all actually because you feel, deep down, that other people "aren't putting in as much effort" as you or "aren't playing the game right" so "they haven't really 100%'d the game"... you've got much more important psychological issues that you should probably be spending that newly freed up time looking into. That's a really unhealthy mindset. Seriously, it's not good for you.
I'm not saying you are, I'm just saying that if you are then you should do something about that.

[Yung Venuz]

There are four save files, go nuts.