EGS Account requirement for online play shouldn’t be necessary even with Epic Online Services?

[sporkhead]

Agreed with the community that the account requirement is ludicrous. But I’d like to get to the bottom of this.

Consider what we know:

1. Developers implementing Epic Online Services in general do not need to require their players log in to an Epic Account: https://dev.epicgames.com/docs/epic-account-services/getting-started

2. EDF 6 is available on both Steam and EGS

3. Dead Island 2 developers who used Epic Online Services to enable cross-play did NOT require an Epic Account log-in: https://playersupport.plaion.com/hc/en-us/articles/18513052016925-Epic-Online-Services-FAQ-Clarification

4. Epic Games page for Epic Online Services currently states that a log-in will be required to enable cross-play with friends

5. EDF 6 launches in July with required account log-in - the opposite of Dead Island 2 on PC

What happened here? Surely there could have been a crossplay toggle in the game which allows Steam users to play without the account log-in, like with Dead Island 2? Am I missing something? Did Epic change the requirements for devs while the game was in development?

From: https://dev.epicgames.com/docs/epic-account-services/getting-started#

“ If you use only EOS Game Services in your game, you do not require EOS Epic Account Services. You only need to use EOS Epic Account Services if you want your players to connect to your game using their Epic Games accounts so they can use services such as crossplay, friends, player presence, and the social overlay.”

[Chicago Ted]

They likely do not understand the cultural disdain we have for EGS.

[Purple Sauce]

Originally posted by Chicago Ted:

They likely do not understand the cultural disdain we have for EGS.

Pretty much this. They also didn't even implement it properly either. It's not supposed to be completely integrated into the game and forced to launch on startup. . .

[sporkhead]

Originally posted by Purple Sauce:

Originally posted by Chicago Ted:

They likely do not understand the cultural disdain we have for EGS.

Pretty much this. They also didn't even implement it properly either. It's not supposed to be completely integrated into the game and forced to launch on startup. . .

Yep, this is what I’m wondering. I think if they implemented it in a way that doesn’t force the account log-in, it wouldn’t be intrusive. Was wondering if that’s still possible or whether Epic has changed terms, but it seems like based on Dead Island 2, it should be possible to use Epic Online Services and not require the account.

[AJ Dandy]

I refunded, If and I mean BIG IF, I want to play it down the line....
I'm going to wait for a super cheap less than $20 sale.... I mean we all waiting 2 years extra for this, we can wait a little more

[Caridor]

Originally posted by Chicago Ted:

They likely do not understand the cultural disdain we have for EGS.

I don't think the people who have that disdain understand it either.

Their biggest crime seems to be operating a store that wasn't quite as good as Steam.

[Dexaldem]

Originally posted by Chicago Ted:

They likely do not understand the cultural disdain we have for EGS.

Originally posted by Purple Sauce:

Pretty much this. They also didn't even implement it properly either. It's not supposed to be completely integrated into the game and forced to launch on startup. . .

Originally posted by sporkhead:

Yep, this is what I’m wondering. I think if they implemented it in a way that doesn’t force the account log-in, it wouldn’t be intrusive. Was wondering if that’s still possible or whether Epic has changed terms, but it seems like based on Dead Island 2, it should be possible to use Epic Online Services and not require the account.

Yeah, all of these are valid conclusions to reach. They were probably looking to make dedicated servers for fans to ease their worries about P2P matches causing major league problems, so they turned to Epic Games for the easy solution of servers on offer. They likely didn't have a clue about the intense ire most communities have toward Epic Games.

Still, that doesn't excuse the legal and financial blunders that resulted. The Epic Games Store installation should have been mentioned beforehand, and the third-party account requirement should have been present months BEFORE the game's launch, not four hours after.

The legal implications this could have will be staggering if this gets them taken to court in a class action.

[Deadoon]

Originally posted by Caridor:

Originally posted by Chicago Ted:

They likely do not understand the cultural disdain we have for EGS.

I don't think the people who have that disdain understand it either.

Their biggest crime seems to be operating a store that wasn't quite as good as Steam.

Massive indie game exclusivity deals which have ended up with games receiving very little visibility.

Metro exodus physical preorders removed steam keys, with boxes having steam logos stickered over with egs.

Mechwarrior 5 preorders forced to switch to egs after purchase and egs having to fork over money for refunds caused.

Kickstarter games being bought out on egs AFTER they promised steam keys, leading to refunds having to be issued at EGS's expense and developer reputation.

Rocket league removal from steam and non-windows OSes as well.

Offline mode being non functional for a few years after they claimed it launched.

Coupon controversy incident.

Poor user features and more.

[Ohmz]

Originally posted by Caridor:

Originally posted by Chicago Ted:

They likely do not understand the cultural disdain we have for EGS.

I don't think the people who have that disdain understand it either.

Their biggest crime seems to be operating a store that wasn't quite as good as Steam.

Haha I get that. I'm not sure if they've rattled the boat recently, but years ago hey are very aggressively seeking out devs to do exclusivity deals with, to lock games to EGS. Any kind of exclusivity is cancer IMO, this is the main reason I don't like them. EOS integration into EDF isn't a limiting factor but can be used to bolster the playerbase and not limit it, so I'd be a hypocrit if I said EOS on EDF is not a good thing..

[Caridor]

Originally posted by Deadoon:

Originally posted by Caridor:

I don't think the people who have that disdain understand it either.

Their biggest crime seems to be operating a store that wasn't quite as good as Steam.

Massive indie game exclusivity deals which have ended up with games receiving very little visibility.

Metro exodus physical preorders removed steam keys, with boxes having steam logos stickered over with egs.

Mechwarrior 5 preorders forced to switch to egs after purchase and egs having to fork over money for refunds caused.

Kickstarter games being bought out on egs AFTER they promised steam keys, leading to refunds having to be issued at EGS's expense and developer reputation.

Rocket league removal from steam and non-windows OSes as well.

Offline mode being non functional for a few years after they claimed it launched.

Coupon controversy incident.

Poor user features and more.

Your first point is an interesting one, but not a criticism of Epic. Epic made them an offer - Come to us and we'll give you a ♥♥♥♥ load of money. That's the extent of their evil. Whether that money was worth the lack of the boost that being on Steam gives is up to the Dev to decide and it's not a criticism of Epic.

What the Metro devs did or did not do with their box packaging is not a criticism of Epic.

Mechwarrior 5's devs reneging on their pre-order promises is not a criticism of Epic.

Kickstarters changing from their advertised bonuses is not a criticism of Epic.

Rocket League's devs removing their game from Steam is not a criticism of Epic.

Their offline mode is kind of functional, but I'll give you this one because it is a pain in the arse and overly complicated to use. Though I'd argue this goes under the point I mentioned about the store not being as good.

Can you give more detail on the coupon controversy thing? I googled "Epic games Coupon controversy incident" and got pretty much nothing. Otherwise, all the sins seem to be other companies going back on their word to sign with Epic, not anything Epic has done.

[SlaughterX]

Damn that's a no buy for me

[Caridor]

Originally posted by Ohmz:

Originally posted by Caridor:

I don't think the people who have that disdain understand it either.

Their biggest crime seems to be operating a store that wasn't quite as good as Steam.

Haha I get that. I'm not sure if they've rattled the boat recently, but years ago hey are very aggressively seeking out devs to do exclusivity deals with, to lock games to EGS. Any kind of exclusivity is cancer IMO, this is the main reason I don't like them. EOS integration into EDF isn't a limiting factor but can be used to bolster the playerbase and not limit it, so I'd be a hypocrit if I said EOS on EDF is not a good thing..

They were timed exclusives, which basically just meant you had to wait.
Probably the least egregious thing they could possibly do to get people over from Steam.

[Chris]

Why "Custom Mech Wars" no need EPIC Game Ac.?

So, why "EDF 6" need it?????

[Deadoon]

Originally posted by Caridor:

Originally posted by Deadoon:

Massive indie game exclusivity deals which have ended up with games receiving very little visibility.

Metro exodus physical preorders removed steam keys, with boxes having steam logos stickered over with egs.

Mechwarrior 5 preorders forced to switch to egs after purchase and egs having to fork over money for refunds caused.

Kickstarter games being bought out on egs AFTER they promised steam keys, leading to refunds having to be issued at EGS's expense and developer reputation.

Rocket league removal from steam and non-windows OSes as well.

Offline mode being non functional for a few years after they claimed it launched.

Coupon controversy incident.

Poor user features and more.

Your first point is an interesting one, but not a criticism of Epic. Epic made them an offer - Come to us and we'll give you a ♥♥♥♥ load of money. That's the extent of their evil. Whether that money was worth the lack of the boost that being on Steam gives is up to the Dev to decide and it's not a criticism of Epic.

What the Metro devs did or did not do with their box packaging is not a criticism of Epic.

Mechwarrior 5's devs reneging on their pre-order promises is not a criticism of Epic.

Kickstarters changing from their advertised bonuses is not a criticism of Epic.

Rocket League's devs removing their game from Steam is not a criticism of Epic.

Their offline mode is kind of functional, but I'll give you this one because it is a pain in the arse and overly complicated to use. Though I'd argue this goes under the point I mentioned about the store not being as good.

Can you give more detail on the coupon controversy thing? I googled "Epic games Coupon controversy incident" and got pretty much nothing. Otherwise, all the sins seem to be other companies going back on their word to sign with Epic, not anything Epic has done.

So nothing Epic does can be used to criticize Epic, not even buying a dev and removing that dev's games from other platforms and OS's?

What can you criticize Epic for then?


Edit: Also literally searching for "Epic games Coupon controversy incident"
https://www.google.com/search?q=Epic+games+Coupon+controversy+incident&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

gets https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/05/18/epic-games-store-mega-sale-causes-developers-to-raise-prices-temporarily-delist-games

So you didn't even search

[Darksider44]

Honesly i'm not bothering anymore to explain why epic is a bad company anymore, there is so much stuff around that if somedoby just plainly tell me he don't see how they are an evil and bad company i just ignore him.

[endcrab]

Originally posted by Caridor:

Your first point is an interesting one, but not a criticism of Epic. Epic made them an offer - Come to us and we'll give you a ♥♥♥♥ load of money. That's the extent of their evil. Whether that money was worth the lack of the boost that being on Steam gives is up to the Dev to decide and it's not a criticism of Epic.

What the Metro devs did or did not do with their box packaging is not a criticism of Epic.

Mechwarrior 5's devs reneging on their pre-order promises is not a criticism of Epic.

Kickstarters changing from their advertised bonuses is not a criticism of Epic.

Rocket League's devs removing their game from Steam is not a criticism of Epic.

Can you simp even harder for a soulless Tencent owned corp? "It's not the drug dealer's fault that people bought drugs, they didn't have to". Takes two to tango, Epic enabled the bad behavior and Epic was and is the Chinese government's (by way of Tencent) way of trying to get control of a share of the gaming market. EGS is a hostile client that has been caught engaging in multiple unethical business practices and invasively scanning user PCs. It is engaging in anti-consumer, anti-competitive behavior funded by a foreign government. People's complaints about EGS are entirely sensible.

Rocket League being removed from Steam actually is Epic's fault, because Epic BOUGHT Psyonix. Those other devs screwing over their customer and fanbase is the fault of both the devs AND Epic. They're both bad.