Refunded EDF 6 (800+ hours in EDF 5)

[Seinekar]

Man im a huge fan of the saga, but the intromission of weird third party software as requisite to play (or "fully" play) a game has to stop.

Beyond what certain software really does or not, its just an horrible comercial practice to force you to make, or link any account as they are just efforts to force you to give up your data to that "third party" to earn profits. Is just a useless extra step forced for the single purpose of profiting by data acquisition.

Or, even worse, all steps into normalizing to accept Third Party software on "other platforms" than their own, so you accept their ToS amd they cam force you into their game. Example: ¿what if Epic decides you have to pay a "small anual fee" to use their online game service? You accepted their ToS the moment you accepted to use their Software to access in first place.

Even if it was harmless (idk, as it is sometimes also spyware) i reject to simply accept that practice of forcing unneeded data farming to access the game I paid to play on a explicit platform (wich i already gave my data, but by my own will, with the purpose of using it to acquire and play games on THAT platform)

Useless third party intromissions for data farm has to stop.

So yea, i own every EDF game on PC and few more on different consoles, im heading to 900 hours on EDF5, and still i asked to refund after installing and checking by myself online is simply inaccesible without the EOS running background (even if i don´t want any crossplay with any EGS user)

I hope it gets removed anytime, so i may consider repurchase. If not, so let it be, there are other games and other means.

-------------------Edit 1------------------

Originally posted by Pekora:

It was known for months
https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/in-less-than-a-month-how-earth-defense-force-6-added-crossplay-by-adopting-epic-online-services

You just didn't did the prior research as a consumer.

Maybe thats true (maybe, im not sure)


If so, now that im aware of may own mistake, will be using my right to refund under the Steam conditions (less than 15 days / 2 hours) My points about why i refund remains the same, i don´t want to support the useless intromission of third-parties to data farm data or even (maybe) introduce spyware (may or may be not the case in this case, but the thing is to prevent ANY undesired software, more or less intrusive, to be forced without real functional need, just to make profit by forcibly shiping it with the game and get installed on customers PC)

Edit: so it was published elsewhere but not stated on the steam store (as its now is)
I mean, is not like i would search for extra info outside the store im making the purchase to check any possible omited information from the store page, wich should be the place where all relevant info about the product should be.

---------------------------Edit 2--------------

Originally posted by Bidenator:

STILL PLAYING THE GAME BUT U REFUNDED?

Yes, im trying to get the 15 minutes of game so i can also give a review. Refund may take up to 48 hours. (And I already asked for it)

---------------Edit 3-----------------

Refund "confirmed" (game no longer available, pending of getting money back, but transaction approved, may take up to 14 days) Pointing this as some seemed to doubt about me being really refunding.

-------------Edit 4-------

It seems it may be worth refunding and neg-reviewing, as they opened the door to remove the Epic login/linking recquirement. Lets hope for the best. If anything, this demonstrates it was indeed a unneeded, forced thing, with no other purpose than feeding Epic with user data and forcing players to accept a third party ToS besides the Steam ones. Lets hope for the best. (Still refunded and still neg-review, wrods are still not facts)

[DJKromwell]

we can hope, sadly EDF does not have the same "in the spotlight" clout as helldivers2 have/had.

me playing EDF6 now will take a miracle, let me tell you that, me and my friends where stoked to finally play it, and then they do this

[Seinekar]

Originally posted by DJKromwell:

we can hope, sadly EDF does not have the same "in the spotlight" clout as helldivers2 have/had.

me playing EDF6 now will take a miracle, let me tell you that, me and my friends where stoked to finally play it, and then they do this

I guess it doesn´t matter the spotlight, if refunds are high and new sales are drastically under expected, i hope they should re-think about it, even if there is not a lot of "advertising" around the issue. Financial results are far more important than "exposure" -Exposure is important just in the sense it affect financial results.

[Pekora]

It was known for months
https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/in-less-than-a-month-how-earth-defense-force-6-added-crossplay-by-adopting-epic-online-services

You just didn't did the prior research as a consumer.

[Seinekar]

Originally posted by Pekora:

It was known for months
https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/in-less-than-a-month-how-earth-defense-force-6-added-crossplay-by-adopting-epic-online-services

You just didn't did the prior research as a consumer.

Maybe thats true (maybe, im not sure)

If so, now that im aware of may own mistake, will be using my right to refund under the Steam conditions (less than 15 days / 2 hours)

[Evil Tim]

Originally posted by Pekora:

It was known for months
https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/in-less-than-a-month-how-earth-defense-force-6-added-crossplay-by-adopting-epic-online-services

You just didn't did the prior research as a consumer.

They're kind of supposed to tell you these things on the Steam page. They agree since they've now belatedly decided to do that.

[Gabe's Gunt]

I see everyone cry about "data" this and "data" that. What "data" will they take from you that actually matters to you? The moment you launch a browser you are sending "data" to someone somewhere.

[PurpleXVI]

Originally posted by Pekora:

It was known for months
https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/in-less-than-a-month-how-earth-defense-force-6-added-crossplay-by-adopting-epic-online-services

You just didn't did the prior research as a consumer.

If you hide vital information in a basement where the lights don't work, in a filing cabinet stuck in an old toilet, with a "Beware of the Leopard"-sign on it, you can't insist it's people's own due dilligence failures that left them ignorant.

It's the equivalent of adding "oh and we get to collect your bones from your still-living flesh" at the bottom of the EULA that no one reads in full.

[TrinityOfOZ]

Originally posted by Pekora:

It was known for months
https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/in-less-than-a-month-how-earth-defense-force-6-added-crossplay-by-adopting-epic-online-services

You just didn't did the prior research as a consumer.

Even if this is the case... I'm not even able to launch the game and it appears to be because epic online services can't be installed properly. I've got no idea why. I've done the usual of verifying game files on Steam, uninstalling EOS, reinstalling it, restarting my pc, etc and nothing has fixed it. I don't even care about the account linking personally but I sure do care about being able to play the game.

[Seinekar]

Originally posted by Gabe's Gunt:

I see everyone cry about "data" this and "data" that. What "data" will they take from you that actually matters to you? The moment you launch a browser you are sending "data" to someone somewhere.

Guess you never heard of the "slippery slope" concept.

Bad practices has to be stopped as soon as they arise, or we may end like console players "paying extra fee to play online because the third pary states so" or whatever any other ToS those third parties decide to include as extra conditions. Steam ToS are enough, and i don´t want to allow others to start forcing into "their own stuff".

Right now there could see "harmless stuff, a small tramit", but "things leads to things", so for me is a big no, and i would like others to become conscious of the risks of just accepting whatever financially interested parties try to shove upon our throats.

[Spyraklas]

Originally posted by Gabe's Gunt:

I see everyone cry about "data" this and "data" that. What "data" will they take from you that actually matters to you? The moment you launch a browser you are sending "data" to someone somewhere.

I hope epic at least pays you guys to shill

[CaptainScorpy]

Yeah, I'm a huge EDF dweeb and will overlook some real questionable choices, but this just wasn't part of the deal - malware or not.
Trying to expand the playerbase with a method that makes a large chunk of those players abandon ship wouldn't be my Plan A.

I'll wait a day or two before refunding to see if there's any comment, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Gabe's Gunt]

Originally posted by Spyraklas:

Originally posted by Gabe's Gunt:

I see everyone cry about "data" this and "data" that. What "data" will they take from you that actually matters to you? The moment you launch a browser you are sending "data" to someone somewhere.

I hope epic at least pays you guys to shill

Sorry that I understand that the "data" boogeyman is just bogus and just something people use to justify hating something for no reason.

[Apple]

Originally posted by DJKromwell:

we can hope, sadly EDF does not have the same "in the spotlight" clout as helldivers2 have/had.

me playing EDF6 now will take a miracle, let me tell you that, me and my friends where stoked to finally play it, and then they do this

you are missing out,games awsome :D see you in EDF7 then :D

[Seinekar]

Originally posted by Gabe's Gunt:

Originally posted by Spyraklas:

I hope epic at least pays you guys to shill

Sorry that I understand that the "data" boogeyman is just bogus and just something people use to justify hating something for no reason.

Its xtrange you call it bogus when its right there, and its well known.

Also, how can you say "hating for no reason"? EDF fans are few but really attached to the saga. Just re-check the title of this post. There is no hate "without reason".

Well in fact, at least for me, there is no hate, just disagreement and opposition to something i think is bocming (or may potentially become) a huge harm to the consumer in the game industry, the introduction of their own ToS, launchers, software and stuff to "third parties" wich are purely motivated on financial earnings, without bringing real use or advantages to the consumer.

[rane]

Originally posted by Pekora:

It was known for months
https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/in-less-than-a-month-how-earth-defense-force-6-added-crossplay-by-adopting-epic-online-services

You just didn't did the prior research as a consumer.

♥♥♥♥ off Tim Sweeney, it's not on the consumer to trawl the web for every shady move possible just because the Dev did not care to include the necessary warning in product description where it should be in the first place.