Do NOT buy this

[Ghostlight]

Look, I have Doom 3 BFG edition, and have played a ton of Doom 1 and Doom 2 that comes with that. More than Doom 3, put it that way. Been through both at least twice on Steam. They are great. This however is NOT great. The engine on this Steam version is completely different, and as a result, the graphics are terrible, much worse than Doom and Doom2. Very pixelated indeed. I know it's not the original game's fault as I have it on various consoles and it looks great.

Moreover, you get a weird forward movement whenever you strafe. It's only a tiny amount but it was enough to annoy the hell out of me.

Avoid.

[[UD]Hekksy]

Most people do not even play the Doom games through steam. They just get the steam versions to get the required files to use a source port. You have to remember the Steam release of Doom/2/final are all the original versions emulated through DOSbox. They are at a resolution and framerate that was considered "high and efficient" back in 1993. This is authentic Doom as it was when it was released.

If you want modern engines with fair graphics, I highly recommend you get a source port that supports a high resolution and can run on modern operating systems without the need for emulation. ZDoom is the most popular. DoomRetro is also nice.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Originally posted by Ghostlight:

Look, I have Doom 3 BFG edition, and have played a ton of Doom 1 and Doom 2 that comes with that. More than Doom 3, put it that way. Been through both at least twice on Steam. They are great. This however is NOT great. The engine on this Steam version is completely different, and as a result, the graphics are terrible, much worse than Doom and Doom2. Very pixelated indeed. I know it's not the original game's fault as I have it on various consoles and it looks great.

Moreover, you get a weird forward movement whenever you strafe. It's only a tiny amount but it was enough to annoy the hell out of me.

Avoid.

You are right, using the default engine (not BFG Edition) of Final Doom does suck......which is why people have made source ports like GZDoom....to make it work better on modern systewms than what DOSBox can provide....

Here is a source port. If you cannor follow the simple instructions on hoe to set this up...I will gladly provide instructions...though they are not that complicated.

http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/

[Scotty_42]

Originally posted by Ghostlight:

Look, I have Doom 3 BFG edition, and have played a ton of Doom 1 and Doom 2 that comes with that. More than Doom 3, put it that way. Been through both at least twice on Steam. They are great. This however is NOT great. The engine on this Steam version is completely different, and as a result, the graphics are terrible, much worse than Doom and Doom2. Very pixelated indeed. I know it's not the original game's fault as I have it on various consoles and it looks great.

Moreover, you get a weird forward movement whenever you strafe. It's only a tiny amount but it was enough to annoy the hell out of me.

Avoid.

i would just pull the wad file fromthe steam folder and play brutal doom v20 with it. i know this dosnt solve your exsact problum but its a hell of a good time! you can find the mod on MOD DB.com

[Kyle07]

If you liked DOOM 1 and 2 and you are a hardcore fan, who cannot get enough from the DOOM formula, than Final DOOM is a good product to go with it.

Mention that you can play many other DOOM mods. Even the Sequel Plutonia 2 is a free mod.

[Powerbats]

One thing I think is missed in all this is the simple fact that the game wasn't advertised as needing an extenral mod to even run through Stem or require you to download to play outside it. I can still remember playing all teh Dooms on keyboard and only Final Doom on keyboard and mouse. The games are pretty much unplayable on Steam so we bought something that basically doesn't work.

I agree with using the mods however and not playing through Steam since it sucks. What bugs em is Steam won't give anything as compensation for this. I still have Final Doom collectors edition on cd still and it runs great up through 7 and 8.1. Havent' tried it on 10 yet.


Like others have said if you want the great graphics you'll need to port it out and play outside of Steam.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Originally posted by powerbats:

One thing I think is missed in all this is the simple fact that the game wasn't advertised as needing an extenral mod to even run through Stem or require you to download to play outside it. I can still remember playing all teh Dooms on keyboard and only Final Doom on keyboard and mouse. The games are pretty much unplayable on Steam so we bought something that basically doesn't work.

I agree with using the mods however and not playing through Steam since it sucks. What bugs em is Steam won't give anything as compensation for this. I still have Final Doom collectors edition on cd still and it runs great up through 7 and 8.1. Havent' tried it on 10 yet.


Like others have said if you want the great graphics you'll need to port it out and play outside of Steam.

If you want to play Final Doom the old way...it is sold exactly how it was originally played (through MS-DOS which requires DOSBox to emulate). Technically you really do not need any external mods (source ports) to play it...You simply need some DOSBox know-how if you wish to play it the way it was played back when it came out....The source ports (external mods) are useful for improving graphics and gameplay with a mouse and keyboard.

[Powerbats]

Originally posted by Sir Edmund Allenby:

Originally posted by powerbats:

One thing I think is missed in all this is the simple fact that the game wasn't advertised as needing an extenral mod to even run through Stem or require you to download to play outside it. I can still remember playing all teh Dooms on keyboard and only Final Doom on keyboard and mouse. The games are pretty much unplayable on Steam so we bought something that basically doesn't work.

I agree with using the mods however and not playing through Steam since it sucks. What bugs em is Steam won't give anything as compensation for this. I still have Final Doom collectors edition on cd still and it runs great up through 7 and 8.1. Havent' tried it on 10 yet.


Like others have said if you want the great graphics you'll need to port it out and play outside of Steam.

If you want to play Final Doom the old way...it is sold exactly how it was originally played (through MS-DOS which requires DOSBox to emulate). Technically you really do not need any external mods (source ports) to play it...You simply need some DOSBox know-how if you wish to play it the way it was played back when it came out....The source ports (external mods) are useful for improving graphics and gameplay with a mouse and keyboard.

True to an extent but it still crashes horribly cosntantly even though when sold said it was for x operating systems which wasn't true yet odler stuff like Final doom etc ran under x operating systems just fine. That's my issue with it that they sold a non working Steam version that made you run it externally.


Having already owned all the old versions I could've simply used them with Zdoom etc if I wanted to run them outside Steam but instead bought a non working poroduct.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Originally posted by powerbats:

Originally posted by Sir Edmund Allenby:

If you want to play Final Doom the old way...it is sold exactly how it was originally played (through MS-DOS which requires DOSBox to emulate). Technically you really do not need any external mods (source ports) to play it...You simply need some DOSBox know-how if you wish to play it the way it was played back when it came out....The source ports (external mods) are useful for improving graphics and gameplay with a mouse and keyboard.

True to an extent but it still crashes horribly cosntantly even though when sold said it was for x operating systems which wasn't true yet odler stuff like Final doom etc ran under x operating systems just fine. That's my issue with it that they sold a non working Steam version that made you run it externally.


Having already owned all the old versions I could've simply used them with Zdoom etc if I wanted to run them outside Steam but instead bought a non working poroduct.

DosBox isn't a source port, it is a DOS emulator. By default the DosBox .conf file in the Base folder of Final Doom has the emulated memory set to 16MB of RAM...and honestly you can (and should) set it to 64MB by using a text editor to edit the file. I also recommend at least buying DOOM 3: BFG Edition if you wish to experience the original Doom and Doom II on a modern system the way you are describing it.

[Powerbats]

Originally posted by Sir Edmund Allenby:

Originally posted by powerbats:

True to an extent but it still crashes horribly cosntantly even though when sold said it was for x operating systems which wasn't true yet odler stuff like Final doom etc ran under x operating systems just fine. That's my issue with it that they sold a non working Steam version that made you run it externally.


Having already owned all the old versions I could've simply used them with Zdoom etc if I wanted to run them outside Steam but instead bought a non working poroduct.

DosBox isn't a source port, it is a DOS emulator. By default the DosBox .conf file in the Base folder of Final Doom has the emulated memory set to 16MB of RAM...and honestly you can (and should) set it to 64MB by using a text editor to edit the file. I also recommend at least buying DOOM 3: BFG Edition if you wish to experience the original Doom and Doom II on a modern system the way you are describing it.

Somewhere I've stil got all my old discs of all teh Doom games including the BFG edition but sadly can't find them. What I hate about this is that it's no dfiferent than teh Gauntlet remake they did for Steam. When that 1st came out you have to set the video to the lowest settings to get at least 8 fps despite teh fact it was sold as being able to run smoothly, the same is true for this version of Doom. It wasn't what was advertised.

[UltimateDoomer]

Source ports aren't mods; they're ports.

The version of DOSBox Steam uses for DOS games does not work correctly on some systems.

The versions of the engine on Steam are the DOS versions, not the Windows versions which came with The Depths of DOOM Trilogy and the Collector's Edition.

Originally posted by Sir Edmund Allenby:

I also recommend at least buying DOOM 3: BFG Edition if you wish to experience the original Doom and Doom II on a modern system the way you are describing it.

Also keep in mind that the WADs in the BFG Edition are not the original...they have some graphics censorship (red cross on health packs, Wolfenstein secret level graphics).


Since DOSBox and the DOOM engine are free, you're basically just paying for the WADs on Steam. The Windows version (DOOM95) is available here (if anyone wants/needs it. I personally do not like the Windows 95 port.): http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?file=idstuff/doom/win95/doom95.zip

[^1IRADIATIONI]

windows 95 master race
noobs

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Originally posted by Ultimate Doomer:

Source ports aren't mods; they're ports.

The version of DOSBox Steam uses for DOS games does not work correctly on some systems.

The versions of the engine on Steam are the DOS versions, not the Windows versions which came with The Depths of DOOM Trilogy and the Collector's Edition.

Originally posted by Sir Edmund Allenby:

I also recommend at least buying DOOM 3: BFG Edition if you wish to experience the original Doom and Doom II on a modern system the way you are describing it.

Also keep in mind that the WADs in the BFG Edition are not the original...they have some graphics censorship (red cross on health packs, Wolfenstein secret level graphics).


Since DOSBox and the DOOM engine are free, you're basically just paying for the WADs on Steam. The Windows version (DOOM95) is available here (if anyone wants/needs it. I personally do not like the Windows 95 port.): http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?file=idstuff/doom/win95/doom95.zip

They work perfectly fine with the recent updates to ZDoom and GZdoom.

[INSANE]

Originally posted by Outrageous Videos:

Originally posted by Ghostlight:

Look, I have Doom 3 BFG edition, and have played a ton of Doom 1 and Doom 2 that comes with that. More than Doom 3, put it that way. Been through both at least twice on Steam. They are great. This however is NOT great. The engine on this Steam version is completely different, and as a result, the graphics are terrible, much worse than Doom and Doom2. Very pixelated indeed. I know it's not the original game's fault as I have it on various consoles and it looks great.

Moreover, you get a weird forward movement whenever you strafe. It's only a tiny amount but it was enough to annoy the hell out of me.

Avoid.

Please kindly ♥♥♥♥ off with your console ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lazyness and don't come back if you think the bfg edition is better than regular doom with it's censored levels please just don't even post in here

Do you feel obligated to tell everyone that has a different opinion to ♥♥♥♥ off?

[Powerbats]

The issue and has always been that it's a ripoff considering what was advertised doesn't work unless you go and use outside mods to make it work. It's like going and buying a new car and finding you have to get parts from an outside prodiver to get it to actually run.

[Diarrhea Blaster]

It isn't perfect but it is playable so you're pretty wrong. Levels are hard as hell and I love it, do recommend.