Avoid high risk kerbs

[Kamil M.]

Is avoid high risk kerbs tactic still op? Was it rebalanced? What are the the DOs and DON'Ts?

[bubu]

The bug (or cheat) is still op! :-(

[Barranoid]

Never used it. What exactly does it do? I mean I know what it means but what effect on the race does it have?

[Der Wolf]

Originally posted by Barranoid:

Never used it. What exactly does it do? I mean I know what it means but what effect on the race does it have?

good pace + good tyre wear/temps

[Ngoc]

Avoid using it is still broken in the sense that it works too well you can use Red tire to the highest pace mode (5 red dots) and it last almost as a white tired at normal.

it totally break the game as it's true you may be slightly slower the first 5-10 laps when other AI player have newish tire but as soon as other player go to 70% tire and you are still probably at 85-90% even if you go slightly slower you go much faster than them at 70% tire

[Frodo]

Hmm, maybe its my cooling as Williams. But I tried this one yesterday to check it.

I could not keep it on attack or even agressive all the time, my tyres would overheat, so I still had to adjust it down to standard to get temp down. Temps were lower than with it unticked though. But the drivers were also slower on laptimes when I had it ticked on.

So from my short little test I guess its only really worth it on tracks where you get away with a 1 stop instead of a 2 stop by using it.
On the other hand it might be that my Williams cooling was so bad it still couldn't keep the temps down with avoid high risk curbs on. might be different with a better car I guess.

This was with no upgraded parts on Williams season 1. I tried it for 2 races and in one of the races it did let me get away with one less pit, so that made a difference.

[Ngoc]

They overheat but overhear mostly influence consumption and consumption even when red temperature is minimal so you can keep 5 red dot on red tired with tire overeating that will last longer than yellow on normal and with normal temp

Going as a result much much faster over 25 Laps may be slightly slower at first but you keep much faster toward the end

An example Bahrain first race I only play Alfa Romeo is I do all Legit my second driver arrive between 20-17 place with a red-red-yellow tire strategy

If I use avoid curb I can easily get 12-16 using a red-yellow strategy (only) the red last better than yellow and the yellow last better than white and not only longer they keep much better time on lap overall, much better (obviously my pit still sux so they often do mistake that’s why I can get 16 if the pit stop is flow less we look at a 12-14 place easy).

It is cheating that’s why I use it only in practice

[Frodo]

Originally posted by Ngoc:

They overheat but overhear mostly influence consumption and consumption even when red temperature is minimal so you can keep 5 red dot on red tired with tire overeating that will last longer than yellow on normal and with normal temp

Going as a result much much faster over 25 Laps may be slightly slower at first but you keep much faster toward the end

When red overheated my tyres degraded at the same level as the other drivers on soft. I kept watching tyres for all drivers the entire time.
When I kept them in white I would have about 65% when the competitors also on softs reached 50% (when I had avoid Kerbs active).
But as long as I had overheated tyres they degraded at the same speed as the other drivers on soft.
But from reading a bit online the effectiveness of avoid kerbs vary alot from track to track. And I only tested it on Jeddah and Melbourne.

[Ngoc]

Yeah I heard it change from track (i guess in a way is realistic some track have worst curb than others) I never tested it much as I tested it on Bahrain and found it was a cheat so I stopped using it

But they are investigating it the devs it was in the patch note so I suspect there is something wrong with it or they wouldn’t mention it

For me is safe to use only in practice I don’t want to spoil the fun with cheating tactics I like it to be challenging as it was suppose to be

[FunDhu]

Originally posted by Frodo:

Hmm, maybe its my cooling as Williams. But I tried this one yesterday to check it.

So from my short little test I guess its only really worth it on tracks where you get away with a 1 stop instead of a 2 stop by using it.

i haven't played as williams yet but just tried it on red bull in spain on a two stop. everyone else ended up with worse tyre wear at lap 26.

even alonso who pitted for hard tires is now down to 76% (he'll probs spit his dummy out) while i'm at 50% with a 14 secs advantage.

edit: sorry i should have said i had a pitstop in hand over most drivers, so once i did pit i converted to one stop

this 'cheat' definitely worked for me even after 1.9 update

[Ngoc]

They said they are investigating they didn’t mention any fix to it at all yet

[Frodo]

I tested again in Monaco and it did not work well there. I was 0.5-0.7 second a lap slower with avoid Kerbs on and attack vs agressive with avoid kerbs off.
It let me do one less pitstop but I lost so much time per lap using it that I did not gain any advantage from it.

I also started a new game just to test it on the first track Bahrain and on that track it was really effective (overpowered). So this one is very dependent on track.
Guess that makes it a bit harder for Frontier to investigate and balance out.

Avoid kerbs lower tyre temp a great deal letting you push harder without overheating and tyre wear is directly linked to temperature. But it also make you quite a bit slower. On some tracks you get the sweetspot where your tyres stay at optimal temp all race by having avoid kerbs on and attack all race (ie: Bahrain).

On a few tracks your tyres acctually get cold (blue) even on attack with avoid kerbs making the car very much slower. Its probably working close to intended but needs some balancing for some tracks.

Avoid kerbs might also lower the risk of incidents, I have never had an incident when using it. So theres that.

[Frodo]

OK, So I've been doing alot of testing on this. On most tracks you are better off managing tyre temps alternating aggressive / normal than using attack / avoid kerbs.
So much faster not using the avoid kerbs. But there are a few tracks where the avoid kerbs trick work really well.

Avoid kerbs is a really nice tool to use for a lap or two when you need to bring temps down on the tyres though. Think this one is mostly working as intended.

[Fat Otaku]

"So much faster not using the avoid kerbs." I noticed that too today and I believe it is probably a glitch.