The Deal With Character Creation Rolls

[danconnors]

They certainly aren't random. I have NEVER EVER seen a total roll below 75. And only very infrequently a roll of 90 or above. After nearly developing carpal tunnel syndrome from clicking the "roll' button, and never seeing even a 90, I just quit character creation.

I don't want a warrior whose charisma is so low women won't have anything to do with him. I would really like to see totally random numbers generated in this process. Sure, you'd see a bunch of 30's, but you only need one "golden" roll to make a good character.

[Crazed Possum]

That's why i usually play as a paladin cause they " Have " to have a high charisma. But, there is a cloak out there you can steal "or take off their dead carcass " from a certain someone staying at an inn that jumps your charisma up to 18 i remeber correctly and it's early on in the game....hhmmmmmm i wonder.

[danconnors]

Whatever, you lose it when you export to Baldur's Gate 2.

Statistically the average roll of a 20 sided die is 10.5, meaning the average "roll" should be 63. This isn't so at character creation, where it looks like over 90% of the rolls are between 75 and 80.

[Crazed Possum]

don't get me wrong i do beleive it's fixed and some classes also require a certain score in a particular attribute and you would think that the other stats would roll better but they don't.

[mpnorman10]

The minimum roll is 75. After the roll, if it is below that level internally, attribute levels are lifted (in some manner) until this is met. The same goes for minimum character levels. So rolling a 90+ for a Paladin is easy, while doing so for a character such as a fighter with few miminum requirements is less common. Extreme rolling that gives physical disabilities is inappropriate, and it makes no sense to roll faster than a rate which still allows you to recognize an excellent roll and stop in time to keep it.

I really care about the characters I use, so I will spend a little time rolling for them, It really doesn't take too long to get excellent rolls at least in the high eighties. The highest I have run across is my Undead Hunter (Paladin kit) with a roll of 97. Most of my characters start (before any in-game increases) in the low to mid '90s. I usually roll an entire party rather than 1 character. For a fighter-type character the slash number after the 18, i.e. 18/xx can matter more than the total number (check the tables at the back of the manual to estimate how much). I was fortunate enough to roll a Dwarf Beserker at 89, but with an 18/xx figure of 18/00 (the best). While rolling for that character I threw away several rolls with a total in the low '90s but with lower xx values in the 18/xx. It took about two hours, and I stopped rolling as soon as I got this result, but even then it is my only character I can recall with an 18/00, so two more hours might not get the same result.

If high '80s is acceptable (and really, it is) then an acceptable result can be gotten in a few minutes to a half hour, usually. The NPCs and pre-rolled characters are generally horrible, in terms of stats, so clearly the game is designed in such a way that such characters are sufficient. Some players just take the first roll, whatever it is and consider that a virtue. The object is fun and if making multiple rolls to get higher attributes is fun for you, go for it. The game designers allow it, but they would certainly frown on any extreme behavior that might be dangerous to a player's health.

[danconnors]

Just kidding about the carpal tunnel syndrome. What I'm trying to do is create a Berserker who will later dual class to a berserker/mage. That means I need four 18's. But I hate to leave wisdom and charisma in the single digits.

I don't worry too much about the xx behind the 18 for a fighter, because he's going to end up with a 19 before games end. If you want a really strong fighter, try a half orc. You can start him off with a 19 strength, and graduate him with a ridiculously high 20.

[jweller12]

cant you manualy put points into your stats, you dont need to reroll

[danconnors]

You can swap points around, but you can't add any.

[voehringer_nitron]

Originally posted by Crazed Possum:

That's why i usually play as a paladin cause they " Have " to have a high charisma. But, there is a cloak out there you can steal "or take off their dead carcass " from a certain someone staying at an inn that jumps your charisma up to 18 i remeber correctly and it's early on in the game....hhmmmmmm i wonder.

It's +2 CHA. Theres a ring in chapter 1 of part 2 that sets CHA to 18. Plus, while you're there, you can petrify a certain ogre claiming to be an elf woman. Or polymorph it into a squirrel. I *really* hate that ogre. >.>

[danconnors]

I don't like Aerie the winged elf either, but I don't usually kill her.

[Gilmaris]

Originally posted by danconnors:

Whatever, you lose it when you export to Baldur's Gate 2.

Statistically the average roll of a 20 sided die is 10.5, meaning the average "roll" should be 63. This isn't so at character creation, where it looks like over 90% of the rolls are between 75 and 80.

Abilties aren't generated with d20s, but 3d6. Which coincidentally also averages 10.5 per stat.

[danconnors]

You're correct. Strange that the same average number is generated by different dice.

[Mr.Skeng]

My highest roll was 94 till now. Got a female dual weelding ranger using both of Drizzt's swords. Half elf she is and so the 94 makes her pretty strong because of the dex boost. By using the Belt of Hill Giant Strength she has grown redicoulusly strong. Never seen any higher roll in bg:ee. If you create a Paladin it might work, but there is no sense in playing palas in my opinion :D

[voehringer_nitron]

Originally posted by SneakOOR1337!:

My highest roll was 94 till now. Got a female dual weelding ranger using both of Drizzt's swords. Half elf she is and so the 94 makes her pretty strong because of the dex boost. By using the Belt of Hill Giant Strength she has grown redicoulusly strong. Never seen any higher roll in bg:ee. If you create a Paladin it might work, but there is no sense in playing palas in my opinion :D

I have a 95 on a Totemic Druid, 96 on a Sorcerer, and 98 on a Fighter/Thief.

I personally despise Paladins, and Lawful Goods in general, a trait which was well known about me on the Interplay forums. I live in Chicago and am a Cubs fan, and when the Cubs were making a run for the World Series, somebody on the off-topic section of the forums asked what would happen if they won it all. Another person replied that pigs would fly. I replied with "Something even more shocking. I'll play through the BG saga as a Paladin." Enter Steve Bartman. :p

[scotty2hotty]

I ROLLED A 99 FOR MY CAVI.

[Mr.Skeng]

Originally posted by voehringer_nitron:

I have a 95 on a Totemic Druid, 96 on a Sorcerer, and 98 on a Fighter/Thief.

I personally despise Paladins, and Lawful Goods in general, a trait which was well known about me on the Interplay forums. I live in Chicago and am a Cubs fan, and when the Cubs were making a run for the World Series, somebody on the off-topic section of the forums asked what would happen if they won it all. Another person replied that pigs would fly. I replied with "Something even more shocking. I'll play through the BG saga as a Paladin." Enter Steve Bartman. :p

I agree! There is no sense being lawfull if the law is made by some fat rich idiots with greed in power and money. Like on Earth. :D

Moreover lawfull chars talk like blind sheeps, if u know what i mean..

Anyway it seems i have to take more time creating a char if 99 is really possible.. Then my ranger really will be as mighty as Drizzt himself! :D She allready wears his sabres so the only difference will be that panther pet and his redicoulus armor and trinkets ^^