Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition

Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition

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captainducko Sep 22, 2024 @ 9:53am
Wield a two handed longsword
Have I screwed up? My character has long sword proficiency and two handed proficiency as long sword are two handed weapons.

However in inventory the character appears to be wielding with 1 hand, and right clicking on the sword says it's Type: One Handed

Are there two handed long swords in the game or do I not have a very well specced character?
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captainducko Sep 22, 2024 @ 9:56am 
looks like i screwed up a long sword is a one handed weapon...I'm pretty annoyed at the game a long sword is obviously able to be wielded with one and two hands IRL
captainducko Sep 22, 2024 @ 10:03am 
no way to change proficiencies in game? This is my main character
Centurion Sep 22, 2024 @ 10:46am 
Originally posted by captainducko:
looks like i screwed up a long sword is a one handed weapon...I'm pretty annoyed at the game a long sword is obviously able to be wielded with one and two hands IRL

The "Game" is not a sim. It's an RPG designed in 1977. A weapon is one-handed if it can be used with just one hand, allowing you a shield or a second weapon in the other hand. Just because you can use it two-handed (in real life, like a pistol), does not make it a two-handed weapon. Only weapons that cannot be used one-handed count as two-handed in the game.
Centurion Sep 22, 2024 @ 10:48am 
Originally posted by captainducko:
no way to change proficiencies in game? This is my main character

Yes. Download and use EE Keeper. (There is no legal way to do this inside the game.) This is a mod utility. It will not affect your game, as it runs as a separate program. It only changes your save game file.
Last edited by Centurion; Sep 22, 2024 @ 4:11pm
Godsarm Sep 22, 2024 @ 12:08pm 
Originally posted by captainducko:
Have I screwed up? My character has long sword proficiency and two handed proficiency as long sword are two handed weapons.

However in inventory the character appears to be wielding with 1 hand, and right clicking on the sword says it's Type: One Handed

Are there two handed long swords in the game or do I not have a very well specced character?
You aren't wrong historically...Long Swords were designed to be wielded with two hands, here's a pretty good article https://www.thecollector.com/medieval-german-longswords/

But as @Centurion mentioned, it's just not the way AD&D rules worked. Probably a better description would have been the Arming Sword or Knightly Sword instead.

If you've seen Ladyhawk, Rutger Hauer's Navarre uses an Arming/Knightly Sword and his ancestral sword could be considered a German Long Sword.
captainducko Sep 22, 2024 @ 12:50pm 
Originally posted by Centurion:
Originally posted by captainducko:
no way to change proficiencies in game? This is my main character

Yes. Download and use EE Keeper. (There is no legal way to do this inside the game. This is a mod utility. It will not affect your game, as it runs as a separate program. It only changes your save game file.

thank you I will use EE Keeper in future. My team got wiped by the second assassin so problem solved I'll just create a new character. Great game
Psychotic_Frog Sep 22, 2024 @ 6:03pm 
Originally posted by captainducko:
Are there two handed long swords in the game or do I not have a very well specced character?

Yes, there are two handed swords in the game. They are named Two Handed Swords. They sell them as soon as Winthrop in the initial inn.

The magical ones are a bit under-represented in BG1 however. But over-represented in BG2.
wendigo211 Sep 22, 2024 @ 7:41pm 
I think the two-handed ones have okay representation in BG. You have a +1 you can get from a Bandit one map north of the Nashkel Carnival. You have Spider's Bane +2 with a Freedom effect (if you're using Haste that could be a negative). Dorn has a unique one, Rancor. Finally, there's the World's Edge a +3. Also, one of only three +3 weapons in the game, with Aule's Staff (quarterstaff) and the Shadow's Blade (short sword) being the other two.

A lot of weapons in BG just have the generic +1 and one special +2.

That said, I agree, there are far too many two-handed swords in BG2. Good ones too like Carsomyr and the Silver Sword. You could get rid of half of them and they would still be well represented.

Anyway, It's not until 3.5 that a medium creature can use a longsword with two hands in D&D. The D&D longsword is really an arming sword or riding sword. The D&D bastard sword is a longsword (in 2e it could be used two handed or one handed, although in BG it's only one handed).
Last edited by wendigo211; Sep 22, 2024 @ 7:46pm
Wicket W. Warrick Sep 23, 2024 @ 12:29pm 
Originally posted by captainducko:
Originally posted by Centurion:

Yes. Download and use EE Keeper. (There is no legal way to do this inside the game. This is a mod utility. It will not affect your game, as it runs as a separate program. It only changes your save game file.

thank you I will use EE Keeper in future. My team got wiped by the second assassin so problem solved I'll just create a new character. Great game
Great player I would say.
Are you serious? Have you notice that there's a button to reload? You don't even need to save, the games do it for you....
Last edited by Wicket W. Warrick; Sep 23, 2024 @ 12:29pm
anferFFmax Sep 24, 2024 @ 10:22pm 
You don't need to change your proficiency, just buy a two-handed sword from any suitable merchant.

Despite not being as powerful as one-handed swords, 2HWs are some of the easiest weapons in the game, especially for beginners. The reason being that, as it happens with all 2h weapons, they allow you to strike from the back of somebody else effectively using them as human-shields. This tactic makes 2HWs very useful in tough fights since your toon will be striking without taking any damage unless targeted by enemy missiles or spells.

In higher difficulty settings you will be using this tactic to full effect - sending in waves of summons to charge your enemies, and then sending the 2HW toon right behind them to attack from behind. You can dispatch quite a lot of foes this way and all without taking any damage.
There is a mod that let you switch Bastard Swords, Axes and IIRC, Katanas, between one-handed and two-handed versions, I love it for variety (i.e. Cavalier can use axe proficiency to get both throwing axes and two-handers).

Reason Longswords are one-handed is old D&D trope, HEMA uses the term "longsword" to mean what games call a Two-Handed Sword as it was historically used, a "Long Sword" in games is what is know as "arming sword" and is designed to be used with one hand (the handle for gripping is short).

It's one of those wacky fantasy tropes Dungeons & Dragons started, like "leather armor", I mean, what do you expect, it's not a historical game so terminology doesn't have to follow our planet's history.

I agree that proficiency system is weird, original Baldur's Gate just grouped all Large Swords together, I think it was better that way, even if bizarrely morningstars are combined with flails as "Spiked Weapons" and not maces, which are somehow using same prof as quarterstaff instead.

Why pick between sling and darts for a mage if "missile weapons" covered both so mages could be putting their other pip into a staff or dagger for the very few levels they get in the OC.

The only grouped weapons in Enhanced Editions is Wakizashi/Ninja-to/Scimitar as those weapons are extremely rare in the first game, though they added a few. Weapon styles like "two-handed" or "single weapon" weren't even a thing in original BG, neither was dual-wielding.
Kamuizin Oct 8, 2024 @ 10:05am 
If no one solved the issue for you:

https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/16497/ee-keeper-updated-to-v1-0-4

Use this character editor and fix the proficiency mistake you did.

Just know that long sword is 1 handed and two handed sword that’s 2 handed. This is relevant for the weapon style, too.
kaiyl_kariashi Oct 14, 2024 @ 8:06am 
Originally posted by Caramel КурскУкраїна:
There is a mod that let you switch Bastard Swords, Axes and IIRC, Katanas, between one-handed and two-handed versions, I love it for variety (i.e. Cavalier can use axe proficiency to get both throwing axes and two-handers).

Reason Longswords are one-handed is old D&D trope, HEMA uses the term "longsword" to mean what games call a Two-Handed Sword as it was historically used, a "Long Sword" in games is what is know as "arming sword" and is designed to be used with one hand (the handle for gripping is short).

It's one of those wacky fantasy tropes Dungeons & Dragons started, like "leather armor", I mean, what do you expect, it's not a historical game so terminology doesn't have to follow our planet's history.

I agree that proficiency system is weird, original Baldur's Gate just grouped all Large Swords together, I think it was better that way, even if bizarrely morningstars are combined with flails as "Spiked Weapons" and not maces, which are somehow using same prof as quarterstaff instead.

Why pick between sling and darts for a mage if "missile weapons" covered both so mages could be putting their other pip into a staff or dagger for the very few levels they get in the OC.

The only grouped weapons in Enhanced Editions is Wakizashi/Ninja-to/Scimitar as those weapons are extremely rare in the first game, though they added a few. Weapon styles like "two-handed" or "single weapon" weren't even a thing in original BG, neither was dual-wielding.


technically speaking, in 2nd edition you can use any melee weapon two-handed, it's just that unless you have two-handed weapon style, there's no benefit unless the weapon has a hybrid mode that changes how they work depending on the number of hands used like a Bastard-sword, katana, Long-spear etc.

I.e. if you had ** two-handed style, you could theoretically use a dagger two-handed to plunge it into an enemy to benefit from the extra +2 damage from the style bonus (the extra speed isn't really useful as daggers are already at max combat speed), provided that you had no other use for your off-hand.

I.e. you mostly use 2hders but took proficiency in dagger as a back-up weapon and had to use it while disarmed of your greatsword, you could use the dagger two-handed for your strikes for extra damage.

but like a lot of stuff, that's not implemented. At least not without mods.

Theoretically you could add a 1hd/2hd mode for every non-2hded-only melee weapon if you were bored enough that would do literally nothing but disable dualwielding/shields and allow benefiting from two-handed style bonuses.

Except on weapons that should have altered stats for changing the number of hands used, in which case they'd get the appropriate stats based on how they're currently being used.
Last edited by kaiyl_kariashi; Oct 20, 2024 @ 3:07pm
itsu Oct 21, 2024 @ 9:13am 
Originally posted by Godsarm:
Originally posted by captainducko:
Have I screwed up? My character has long sword proficiency and two handed proficiency as long sword are two handed weapons.

However in inventory the character appears to be wielding with 1 hand, and right clicking on the sword says it's Type: One Handed

Are there two handed long swords in the game or do I not have a very well specced character?
You aren't wrong historically...Long Swords were designed to be wielded with two hands, here's a pretty good article https://www.thecollector.com/medieval-german-longswords/

But as @Centurion mentioned, it's just not the way AD&D rules worked. Probably a better description would have been the Arming Sword or Knightly Sword instead.

If you've seen Ladyhawk, Rutger Hauer's Navarre uses an Arming/Knightly Sword and his ancestral sword could be considered a German Long Sword.


WRONG. The fact you say "GERMAN" makes it wrong. Because a German long sword would not be equivalent to an English long sword or any other medieval European "Long Sword". Why? Because Germans name everything literally. So a European long sword would be named such to differentiate from a short sword, but would mean a one handed longER sword. A two-handed sword in English or other European culture would be called a "GREAT sword". But Germans being Germans who name everything literally would name it "LONG sword" because, oh look, it's long. And name an English "long sword" a "Longer Sword Than A Short Sword"
Last edited by itsu; Oct 21, 2024 @ 9:24am
Hugh de Salle Oct 21, 2024 @ 7:51pm 
Originally posted by itsu:
Originally posted by Godsarm:
You aren't wrong historically...Long Swords were designed to be wielded with two hands, here's a pretty good article https://www.thecollector.com/medieval-german-longswords/

But as @Centurion mentioned, it's just not the way AD&D rules worked. Probably a better description would have been the Arming Sword or Knightly Sword instead.

If you've seen Ladyhawk, Rutger Hauer's Navarre uses an Arming/Knightly Sword and his ancestral sword could be considered a German Long Sword.


WRONG. The fact you say "GERMAN" makes it wrong. Because a German long sword would not be equivalent to an English long sword or any other medieval European "Long Sword". Why? Because Germans name everything literally. So a European long sword would be named such to differentiate from a short sword, but would mean a one handed longER sword. A two-handed sword in English or other European culture would be called a "GREAT sword". But Germans being Germans who name everything literally would name it "LONG sword" because, oh look, it's long. And name an English "long sword" a "Longer Sword Than A Short Sword"

Two Handed swords in the medieval period were used in tournaments and never on the battlefields , Considering the average knight was around 5.8 tall and although they were very strong it was just to unwieldy to use on horseback in fact they were called Hand & a Half swords due to the grip.

It was only in the 15th/16th Centuries that proper two hand swords appeared mainly for cutting pike heads , They were probably around for 80 years or so until Gunpowder ruled them obsolete along with the pike.

As far as i am aware only the HRE and some Italian states used them , The Leeds armoury has some in its collection nearly all were made in the HRE they just were not used in France or England.
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