Games like this?

[Shekelstein]

Played:

- BG1 + EXP
- BG2
- Planescape
- Neverwinter Nights
- Icewind dale (thanks Sstavix I forgot)

I know that the Divinity games exist but I hear that the older ones have issues. Do fan patches exist?

In general, I want MOOORE

[Sstavix]

You forgot Icewind Dale.

If you want turn-based, party-based RPGs then check out anything by Spiderweb Software. If you prefer more of a real time game you might enjoy the first two Torchlight games. I can't think of anything else that combines real time with party-based systems other than what has been already mentioned. Others may have more experience in that regard.

[Estuans Interius]

Pathfinder: kingmaker.

[philos3]

Icewind Dale 1 uses the same game engine and general set of rules that BG1 & 2 use.
Nice in that you create your entire party in it. Not as open world but a lot of fun.

[rompier02]

Hey. Try Never Winter Nights 2 & all it's DLCs. Also Dragon Age Origins. Can try it if you're interested. Although the party members are limited to 4 unlike BG 1& 2 / Icewind Dale / PST. Good luck.

[wendigo211]

Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2. The only problem with them is there's a lot more micromanagement because every unit has abilities you have to manage (not just casters) and the miss/graze/hit/crit system means that one ability can have 4 different durations. You might also like Black Geyser: Couriers of Darkness, but IMO it's a bit like BG lite (everything it does, BG does a little better).

[Corbeau]

Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous are the two games most similar to the classics you have mentioned. If you haven't played them yet you should try them asap.

[BIGMAN]

maybe the old SSI Gold Box series, they take place in AD/D 2 edition worlds

[Eowyn113]

Originally posted by Corbeau:

Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous are the two games most similar to the classics you have mentioned. If you haven't played them yet you should try them asap.

I was very reluctant to play those games because of many bad reviews. (many bugs as far as I remember) Did devs make efforts?

[Corbeau]

Originally posted by Eowyn113:

Originally posted by Corbeau:

Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous are the two games most similar to the classics you have mentioned. If you haven't played them yet you should try them asap.

I was very reluctant to play those games because of many bad reviews. (many bugs as far as I remember) Did devs make efforts?

Pathfinder: Kingmaker has some minor bugs that weren't and cannot be fixed by the devs, because they don't own the rights to the game anymore since 2019. Yet nothing major, I have done 3 playthroughs. WOTR has no such problems. It's a complex game and there is a chance that you could encounter some bug, but the devs seem to fix them quickly - everything that I reported to them was fixed.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by ♫♫♪♪♫BIGMAN:

maybe the old SSI Gold Box series, they take place in AD/D 2 edition worlds

These are great games, but very old school. Lots of pixels and square-based movement. The three Dragonlance games are really excellent. I struggle with Pools of Radiance (mechanics issues, not gameplay.)

[wendigo211]

I like Champions of Krynn, Death Knights of Krynn and Curse of the Azure bonds. I'm also not a huge fan of Pool of Radiance, although it's not bad. I find the higher level games (Pools of Darkness, Secrets of the Silver Blades and Dark Queen of Krynn) have their issues.

The Darksun games are really good. I still say Shattered Lands is better than BG was at original release. The other SSI games aren't that great like the Eye of the Beholder series, Menzoberranzan, Ravenloft etc. I have a certain soft spot for Spelljammer: Pirates of Realmspace but it's janky as hell now.

Since no one mentioned it, there's also Temple of Elemental Evil, which has really good gameplay (it's missing a couple of combat manoeuvres, but it's otherwise a complete implementation of the 3e rules), but it has by far the worst plot and setting for a D&D game. It's also a pain to get it working now since you'll need both the Temple+ and Co8 mods at minimum.

[Psychotic_Frog]

Two games blessed by the hand of Tim Cain (Fallout creator):
Pillars of Eternity
Tyranny

They don't have a specific RPG system tied to it, and spells refresh after each combat to make it more interesting IIRC

If you want to switch system from D&D (or AD&D in regards to BG1/2) to Pathfinder there's
Pathfinder: Kingmaker
Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
But it's a boatload of rules to understand and Pathfinder is more much complex than 5e or AD&D.

[Sstavix]

Originally posted by Psychotic_Frog:

If you want to switch system from D&D (or AD&D in regards to BG1/2) to Pathfinder there's
Pathfinder: Kingmaker
Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
But it's a boatload of rules to understand and Pathfinder is more much complex than 5e or AD&D.

Hmm, not necessarily. The first edition Pathfinder rules are based on D&D 3.5 Edition which, in my opinion, was much more streamlined and logical compared to 2nd Edition. Anyone who understands 2nd Edition rules probably will have no difficulty figuring out Pathfinder.

[Psychotic_Frog]

Originally posted by Sstavix:

Originally posted by Psychotic_Frog:

If you want to switch system from D&D (or AD&D in regards to BG1/2) to Pathfinder there's
Pathfinder: Kingmaker
Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
But it's a boatload of rules to understand and Pathfinder is more much complex than 5e or AD&D.

Hmm, not necessarily. The first edition Pathfinder rules are based on D&D 3.5 Edition which, in my opinion, was much more streamlined and logical compared to 2nd Edition. Anyone who understands 2nd Edition rules probably will have no difficulty figuring out Pathfinder.

Yeah probably expressed myself wrong. The videogame version of Pathfinder is much more complex than the videogame version of 5e (BG3) or AD&D (BG1-2). Making a build in BG1 is extremely simple, but planning one in Kingmaker is much much more involved and you can easily make an unplayable build.

[Sstavix]

Originally posted by Psychotic_Frog:

Originally posted by Sstavix:

Hmm, not necessarily. The first edition Pathfinder rules are based on D&D 3.5 Edition which, in my opinion, was much more streamlined and logical compared to 2nd Edition. Anyone who understands 2nd Edition rules probably will have no difficulty figuring out Pathfinder.

Yeah probably expressed myself wrong. The videogame version of Pathfinder is much more complex than the videogame version of 5e (BG3) or AD&D (BG1-2). Making a build in BG1 is extremely simple, but planning one in Kingmaker is much much more involved and you can easily make an unplayable build.

I haven't tried Kingmaker (it's on my to-do list) but I can see that. The same applies to the tabletop version.