Should I get Siege of Dragonspear?

[Dio Aloke]

I'm currently playing BG1 and will play BG2 because they're classics. Siege of Dragonspear wasn't made by Bioware and came years after the 2nd game, so it's not strictly necessary, but the question is:

Is it worth it? For the story, items, XP, whatever. Or should I skip it and go directly to BG2?

[5k Chicken]

Originally posted by Sati44:

You know the really sad part is beamdog could have taken the time and resources they spend adding new characters and areas to bg 1 and 2 and making SoD and instead made a game simmilar to IWD focused on combat and a straightforward evil thing as the antagonist.

And go from there taking time making a new story driven game like bg or planescape.

Instead they spant so much time "fixing" and "improving" the old games and butting heads with the community.
In the end they really don't have much to show for it.

In the meantime we had games like:
Disco Elysium
Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
Pathfinder: Kingmaker
Divinity: Original Sin 1 and 2
Tyranny
Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2
Torment: Tides of Numenera
and many more

Hell BG3 is comming out... made by Larian.

Now you might not like all those abowe games but at least the people behind them actually made something new.

In the case of beamdog they where supposed to be the saviors of the classic isometric rpg the stewards of the black isle studios legacy etc etc

But we still have MythForce right :cfacepalm::rfacepalm:

Ya seriously MythForce? Looks like He-Man and Borderlands had a baby.

If Beamdog hired better writers and made another isometric game I'd give it a shot. These days its so impossible to get a good CRPG from North America that doesn't hammer 7 paragraph text descriptions, have multiple romances with everyone represented, or focus on inserting current politics/sociological/societal issues. I can barely get through a Pathfinder game because of this, even though I can tell the system and gameplay would be excellent if they actually made a decent story with unique characters.

[Fragile Curse]

I'll be starting it soon for the first time. Long time fan of the series and have been a bit nervous with all the mixed reviews. Hoping I like it. I think I probably will. I tend to not be overly picky and the thought of so much new content makes me excited.

[Archangel47]

Originally posted by Muirchertach:

These days its so impossible to get a good CRPG from North America that doesn't hammer 7 paragraph text descriptions, have multiple romances with everyone represented, or focus on inserting current politics/sociological/societal issues.

Text walls, romances, and sociopolitical issues? Sheesh, it's almost as if we're playing an RPG.

Originally posted by Muirchertach:

can tell the system and gameplay would be excellent if they actually made a decent story with unique characters.

And this one doesn't even make sense. You're saying that if the story and characters were well done, that the game's rules and gameplay would be better. That isn't logical. You can have a good story and crappy combat and vice versa.

[5k Chicken]

Originally posted by Archangel47:

Originally posted by Muirchertach:

These days its so impossible to get a good CRPG from North America that doesn't hammer 7 paragraph text descriptions, have multiple romances with everyone represented, or focus on inserting current politics/sociological/societal issues.

Text walls, romances, and sociopolitical issues? Sheesh, it's almost as if we're playing an RPG.

Originally posted by Muirchertach:

can tell the system and gameplay would be excellent if they actually made a decent story with unique characters.

And this one doesn't even make sense. You're saying that if the story and characters were well done, that the game's rules and gameplay would be better. That isn't logical. You can have a good story and crappy combat and vice versa.

Pathfinders characters are so atrocious the game mechanics don't make up for it. Baldur's Gate has minimal character building and the mechanics are good making it a fun game. Pathfinder's characters are such in your face "subversions" (with paragraph after paragraph of poorly written, unnecessary description/backstory) that playing the game is a chore.

Pillars of Eternity was far too "wordy" as well. Four paragraph descriptions for something mundane doesn't mean you're playing an rpg, it is some writer going a bit overboard. Hence, North American crpgs tend to "hammer 7 paragraphs of FLUFF UNNECESSARY TEXT at you, insert inorganic, representation for all romances, and deal with current social issues (EX: this guy is modelled after this president who I haaaate!).

I get you want to defend it because you probably love that stuff (judging by the tone of your reply), but some people want a good story (even if it is simplistic) with BELIEVABLE characters, and no current social issues or politics in their game, a thing that seems to be impossible for larger studios these days (especially in North America).

I played Wizardry 6 for the first time last year and found it extremely fun. I still love the BG series and Icewind Dale, I thought King Arthur: Knight's Tale was great. Guess what these games put their focus on?

[khumak]

There are some things about SoD that I don't like but overall I still think it's worth getting. Wild Magic is a lot of fun and Neera is arguably one of the strongest NPC companions in the game. You get a higher xp cap for BG I with SoD in place which gives you a nice jump start when you get to BG II. You get additional items you can use both in BG I, and also in BG II (not all of them import but some do). You get new storylines.

Also something that might be easy to overlook, if you like to use mods, most of the mods that have been created or updated after SoD came out are going to assume you have it. So if you install things properly you will have better mod support with SoD.

I actually thought the idea of filling in the gap in the story between BG I and BG II with SoD was a pretty cool idea and I think they did a pretty good job with it overall. Some of the new companions I really like. Some I really dislike but you don't have to use the ones you don't like.

[Wolfshappen]

I thought SoD was great and it has the most epic final battle

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Dio Aloke:

I'm currently playing BG1 and will play BG2 because they're classics. Siege of Dragonspear wasn't made by Bioware and came years after the 2nd game, so it's not strictly necessary, but the question is:

Is it worth it? For the story, items, XP, whatever. Or should I skip it and go directly to BG2?

no the devs are muting/banning peeps who point out flaws and point out some of the mistakes that excist in said game. it has a number of issues but due to fear of being banned/silenced ...

[Julius Borisov]

We are not. Don't insult users, don't troll, and you'll be fine. Constructive criticism is welcome. Posts like "woke ****" are not.

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by Julius Borisov:

We are not. Don't insult users, don't troll, and you'll be fine. Constructive criticism is welcome. Posts like "woke ****" are not.

Right. You are trying to discredit Not Recommended reviews by you lying, saying they did not play the DLC. By saying they have 0.0 hrs played. But since it is DLC, everybody has 0.0 hrs playtime.

[MangorushZ]

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Originally posted by Julius Borisov:

We are not. Don't insult users, don't troll, and you'll be fine. Constructive criticism is welcome. Posts like "woke ****" are not.

Right. You are trying to discredit Not Recommended reviews by you lying, saying they did not play the DLC. By saying they have 0.0 hrs played. But since it is DLC, everybody has 0.0 hrs playtime.

Knock it off

[Immortal Reaver]

Will not, this dev can go to ...

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198002213629/recommended/385970/#developer_response

Things like this are becoming more and more common, I am tired of seeing it and I will call out that kind of behavior when I see it.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Yep, Siege of Dragonspear as a DLC isn't tracked like a game, but offline playing also isn't recorded by the Steam App. If someone has low playtime and hasn't unlocked none of the chapter progress achievements, one can be sure that the game/DLC hasn't been played.

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Originally posted by Julius Borisov:

We are not. Don't insult users, don't troll, and you'll be fine. Constructive criticism is welcome. Posts like "woke ****" are not.

Right. You are trying to discredit Not Recommended reviews by you lying, saying they did not play the DLC. By saying they have 0.0 hrs played. But since it is DLC, everybody has 0.0 hrs playtime.

this is pretty much it ...

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Will not, this dev can go to ...

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198002213629/recommended/385970/#developer_response

Things like this are becoming more and more common, I am tired of seeing it and I will call out that kind of behavior when I see it.

I agree with you there but as you said
this is becomming more and more common on steam you will just be baned at times pointing this out its happen before will it hear? I dunno maybe
dont trust the relationship that is being shown tho no offence to others

[Thrax]

My experience with SODS was years ago pretty much on release. It was buggy, and the only part remotely memorable was the beginning and the end.
Honestly, it felt kind of like a dump taken on the IP. A what if for between the games, that just makes me wish it was left to the imagination.
Maybe I am being too harsh and I should give it another go,