Favorite scenes from Siege of Dragonspear

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Picking up an interesting question from another topic:

Diposting pertama kali oleh fauxpas:

You able to discuss what your favorite scenes from the series are yet or still haven't played?

At the top of my list so far are:

The extra talk options when the new companions are in your party. M'Khiin as the specialist for everything related to spirits, ghosts and shaman stuff can be consulted multiple times and adds comments. Glint also takes opportunities to give hints. The comments from Voghiln and his accent.

The encounter of the huge Rhino Beetle, although I don't know yet what the requirements for that encounter are.

The pair of Rashemen.

The Ogre Bandit Camp quest.

The appearances of the Hooded Man.

Vidyadhar's riddle.

Einer & Betror.

And all the small side-quests, such as those in Baldur's Gate, which you only run into, if you take the time to explore everything and talk to everyone. And if not reloading, there are multiple resolutions, too, which increase the replayability factor.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=672717356

[fauxpas]

... Now onto 'Allen", had a male been caught red handed in the middle of dumping a body and said exactly the same dialog that Aileen does no-one would even be pretending to give him a benefit of a doubt and I don't believe you (or anyone else for that matter) would be defending the author slanting the PC's dialog and journal entry towards "believe Allen's second story".

Case in point of that is the fact that your first reaction to me explaining this was to cast "Allen" in the role of a drunken brute where as you are still asking "what could Aileen do to prove her innocence" to me when she is caught redhandeded trying to dump her murdered husband's body . Heck, for that matter, not only is she caught trying to dump a murder victim's body, she even goes as far as trying to make the PC an acessery after the fact.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Diposting pertama kali oleh fauxpas:

The proper question is why should you trust her second story after Aileen is caught in her lie,

In the polite conversation up to that point she doesn't show coolness, but agitation (a hint in the text), and all too easily she admits defeat without that she has been put under pressure. She realizes what helpless position she is in and gives telling the truth a try. How desperate she is can be seen in her last lines. She begs for mercy.

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... something that I find interesting is that the PC almost always does have the option to "arrest" non hostile criminals they stumble across right on the spot through a "surrender to Corwin (spelling)" dialog option and in the one case that you don't you actually take part in a sting operation with her help to arrest traitors to the city.

So I have to ask why there isn't one in the case of Aileen, and the answer that I've come up with after reading the slanted dialog choices is that the journal entry is meant to nudge you towards the author's slant. .... The sad thing is that the quest's premise does have promise that is squandered because the dialog was written with an agenda as opposed to remaining "neutral" and allowing the Player to decide what they think really happened sans "nudges".

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Diposting pertama kali oleh D'amarr from Darshiva:

Diposting pertama kali oleh fauxpas:

The proper question is why should you trust her second story after Aileen is caught in her lie,

In the polite conversation up to that point she doesn't show coolness, but agitation (a hint in the text), and all too easily she admits defeat without that she has been put under pressure. She realizes what helpless position she is in and gives telling the truth a try. How desperate she is can be seen in her last lines. She begs for mercy.

Few murderers are able to show "coolness" and when caught almost all do try to "minimize" what happened, often with a "it was an accident" excuse.

So that doesn't mean anything.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

It means you will need to accept that my opinion differs from yours. I won't engage in childish conspiracy theories about an "agenda" and "sexism". I can accept the fantasy story/world a game presents to me. There are enough options for this particular quest. Based on the dialogue, if I believe she is a murderer, I report her to the FF.

You like to pick apart Garachen next, maybe?

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Diposting pertama kali oleh D'amarr from Darshiva:

It means you will need to accept that my opinion differs from yours. I won't engage in childish conspiracy theories about an "agenda" and "sexism". I can accept the fantasy story/world a game presents to me. There are enough options for this particular quest. Based on the dialogue, if I believe she is a murderer, I report her to the FF.

You like to pick apart Garachen next, maybe?

One way street considering your prior arguments on this issue.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Well, it shows who has an agenda here.

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As for Garachen, assuming that is the guy offering boarding to refugees in exchange for everything they own ... nothing in that quest really jumped out as being overtly political or slanted, you are able to side with him or the refugees and trying to turn him in for "over charging" results in the PC being reminded that Baldur's Gate doesn't practice "rent control". I ended up swaying the innkeeper to donate supplies to him so he could charge slightly less to his boarders.


The fact that the Hero of Baldur's Gate has the influence to cause false arrests based on nothing at all seems to make the portrayals of the ending that I've read seem even more ham fisted however.


Now if you want to talk about slanted message driven drivel we can talk about the "lost gold" quest; it's a close second to Aileen the Murderess thus far.

[fauxpas]

Diposting pertama kali oleh D'amarr from Darshiva:

Well, it shows who has an agenda here.

Yeah, you do.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Diposting pertama kali oleh fauxpas:

As for Garachen, assuming that is the guy offering boarding to refugees in exchange for everything they own ... nothing in that quest really jumped out as being overtly political or slanted, you are able to side with him or the refugees and trying to turn him in for "over charging" results in the PC being reminded that Baldur's Gate doesn't practice "rent control". I ended up swaying the innkeeper to donate supplies to him so he could charge slightly less to his boarders.

No comment on framing him for slavery?

[fauxpas]

After all you've been arguing for how long now that there is no sexism and that Aileen the Murderess is "one of the good ones" and an example of decent writing?

[fauxpas]

Diposting pertama kali oleh D'amarr from Darshiva:

Diposting pertama kali oleh fauxpas:

As for Garachen, assuming that is the guy offering boarding to refugees in exchange for everything they own ... nothing in that quest really jumped out as being overtly political or slanted, you are able to side with him or the refugees and trying to turn him in for "over charging" results in the PC being reminded that Baldur's Gate doesn't practice "rent control". I ended up swaying the innkeeper to donate supplies to him so he could charge slightly less to his boarders.

No comment on framing him for slavery?

I don't mind options, and framing someone for slavery fits with a ruthlessly evil Bhaalspawn ... did I miss the journal and author induced slanting of the dialog options painting that as being somehow moral? .... Because if I did then sure I'd have comments.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Diposting pertama kali oleh fauxpas:

framing someone for slavery fits with a ruthlessly evil Bhaalspawn

Lawful Good Paladin?

Or the ruthlessly evil Bhaalspawn that would enjoy disposing Aileen's dead husband?

Diposting pertama kali oleh fauxpas:

The fact that the Hero of Baldur's Gate has the influence to cause false arrests based on nothing

What happens in that quest is more subtle. The journal tells.

And what would Aileen say about such a comment on Garachen's quest?

Diposting pertama kali oleh fauxpas:

After all you've been arguing for how long now that there is no sexism and that Aileen the Murderess is "one of the good ones" and an example of decent writing?

You've got it backwards. You are argueing about that endlessly, and I just try to understand where you see sexism and an agenda. Unfortunately, your self-created character called "Allen" didn't score.

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Diposting pertama kali oleh D'amarr from Darshiva:

Diposting pertama kali oleh fauxpas:

framing someone for slavery fits with a ruthlessly evil Bhaalspawn

Lawful Good Paladin?

Or the ruthlessly evil Bhaalspawn that would enjoy disposing Aileen's dead husband?

I never liked DnD's alignment system in the first place, but are you sure that you REALLY want to look at what nonroleplaying Paladins can get away with in the series? ... Remember I like roleplaying options and depise "author slanting" so as long as the dialog choice "meta" isn't trying to preach to me OOC then I don't have an issue.

Same goes for disposing of the body of Aileen's murdered husband, I don't have a problem with having the option of helping her cover up her crime, my complaint is with the author slanting the dialog choices with sexist bias. ... Which you should already know.

Diposting pertama kali oleh D'amarr from Darshiva:

Diposting pertama kali oleh fauxpas:

The fact that the Hero of Baldur's Gate has the influence to cause false arrests based on nothing

What happens in that quest is more subtle. The journal tells.

And what would Aileen say about such a comment on Garachen's quest?

More than likely the murderess would wish she had run into the same ruthlessly evil Bhaalspawn who was willing to frame an innocent man as opposed to someone who cared about justice.

Diposting pertama kali oleh D'amarr from Darshiva:

Diposting pertama kali oleh fauxpas:

After all you've been arguing for how long now that there is no sexism and that Aileen the Murderess is "one of the good ones" and an example of decent writing?

You've got it backwards. You are argueing about that endlessly, and I just try to understand where you see sexism and an agenda. Unfortunately, your self-created character called "Allen" didn't score.

Firstly, don't tempt me to go post diving, clearing out dwarven cave ruins are getting boring enough I just might decide to prove you wrong. ... As for Allen; he scored the point he was designed to make, it's just a shame that you aren't willing to admitt up to it.

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http://steamcommunity.com/app/228280/discussions/4/364039531227586885/#c364039785161115112

Diposting pertama kali oleh D'amarr from Darshiva:

There is zero sexism in the "Corpse Disposal" side-quest. Actually, it's one of the good small quests in the extension, because of the depth of the dialogue and the diversity of options:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=672205718

You need to find a different example of "sexism" in Siege of Dragonspear, because this time you've only demonstrated poor knowledge of the game.

Ah I see now, you didn't say that there was NO sexism in the Aileen the Murderess' quest, you said that there was ZERO sexism in Aileen the Murderess' quest.